For the longest time, I had no idea using “Oriental” as a reference to Asians was offensive until someone called me out on it. I’m really glad they did.
“Indian giver” isn’t racist. It refers to the white settlers “giving” to the natives (“Indians”), then taking back away from them. Not the other way around.
“Try not to use a word or phrase without understanding its origin or meaning” cuts two ways.
The etymon of “Niggardly” is a Scandinavian word meaning basically the same thing and has nothing to do with the racial slur, but some people say we should stop using it because it sounds nasty.
And Canadian Inuit object to ‘Eskimo’ because of a now discredited belief about its etymology, even though the Inupiat and Yupik in Alaska are happy with ‘Eskimo’ and don’t like ‘Inuit’.
And ‘Welsh’ originally didn’t refer just to the Cymry, but any foreigner or speaker of an unfamiliar language. ‘Walloon’ and ‘Wallachian’ are cognates.
As for ‘honkey’, a lot of people think it comes from ‘hunky’, which like the related ‘bohunk’ was a highly pejorative word in its day (late 19th-early 20th Century). My Slovak grandparents were probably subjected to both those terms in their most venomous form, which according to some people entitles me to feel outraged when I hear ‘honkey’ used.
Apart from the fact that the only way a mere column of sound in the air or a mark on a piece of paper can hurt you is if you let it, there has to be a statute of limitations on this sort of stuff.
I bet he called Brazil Nuts the same thing my Okie grandmother did. The first time I heard her say it I think my jaw dropped so hard it cracked the floor tiles.
To not honor a bet, I believe, has been called Welshing; to negotiate down a price is an anti-semitic slur I won’t delineate; to take back a gift refers to Indian-giving — nice bit of info about this one, BrandeX; I never knew that, but it makes sense; and the last one, to not deliver on a promise, I think must refer to “gyp”, the impetus slur for the entire strip.
They’re actually from India originally, and reached Europe through Egypt (which is where the English term for them comes from; they call themselves Romany or Romani). As you say, they’re nomadic, which means they don’t fit in very well in a modern bureaucratic state, which forces them to choose life on questionable terms with the law or abandonment of their traditional culture. They are wonderful with horses, fine metalworkers…and fantastic musicians, having influenced everything from Flamenco to Liszt and Brahms.
How we jump through hoops for the sake of being “politcally correct”. It’s about the intent of what you say that makes i wrong. Stop being so easily offeded by words.
zero over 12 years ago
@#%&*! read necks…
PdLorinel over 12 years ago
You mean “Takei”
James Hopkins over 12 years ago
For the longest time, I had no idea using “Oriental” as a reference to Asians was offensive until someone called me out on it. I’m really glad they did.
ekw555 over 12 years ago
I know all of the slurs he was alluding to except “to not deliver on a promise”.
does it refer to politicians?
BrandeX over 12 years ago
“Indian giver” isn’t racist. It refers to the white settlers “giving” to the natives (“Indians”), then taking back away from them. Not the other way around.
BrandeX over 12 years ago
Oh, and whoever told you “oriental” is a slur, was a moron. “orient” is latin for “east”. oriental therefore = “easterner”
…. ah found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orient
Apparently what your talking about is an American only , overly “PC” bit of rubbish.
Dean Nelson Premium Member over 12 years ago
I hate indian givers, no wait, I take that back! (tip of the hat to Emo)
sleeepy2 over 12 years ago
If you are offended by “Honkey” than you have really thin skin. It’s got to be the weakest arrow in the entire slur quiver.
cdnalor over 12 years ago
If a racist word falls in the woods and there’s no-one there who knows what it means, does it make an offensive sound?
Sardonis over 12 years ago
You guys stop honkeying! Damn! lol
prrdh over 12 years ago
“Try not to use a word or phrase without understanding its origin or meaning” cuts two ways.
The etymon of “Niggardly” is a Scandinavian word meaning basically the same thing and has nothing to do with the racial slur, but some people say we should stop using it because it sounds nasty.
And Canadian Inuit object to ‘Eskimo’ because of a now discredited belief about its etymology, even though the Inupiat and Yupik in Alaska are happy with ‘Eskimo’ and don’t like ‘Inuit’.
And ‘Welsh’ originally didn’t refer just to the Cymry, but any foreigner or speaker of an unfamiliar language. ‘Walloon’ and ‘Wallachian’ are cognates.
As for ‘honkey’, a lot of people think it comes from ‘hunky’, which like the related ‘bohunk’ was a highly pejorative word in its day (late 19th-early 20th Century). My Slovak grandparents were probably subjected to both those terms in their most venomous form, which according to some people entitles me to feel outraged when I hear ‘honkey’ used.
Apart from the fact that the only way a mere column of sound in the air or a mark on a piece of paper can hurt you is if you let it, there has to be a statute of limitations on this sort of stuff.
sdjamieson Premium Member over 12 years ago
@ ekw: I think he was referring to “welching on a bet,” a slur against the Welch.
runar over 12 years ago
Some of my best friends are Brazil nuts.
Takhdrkqueen over 12 years ago
I bet he called Brazil Nuts the same thing my Okie grandmother did. The first time I heard her say it I think my jaw dropped so hard it cracked the floor tiles.
BRI-NO-MITE!! Premium Member over 12 years ago
As a little kid I wouldn’t eat Brazil nuts because I actually thought they were the toes of an African American.
gorbasche2 over 12 years ago
Since when are “Gypsies” a race?
“I’m not prejudice, I stereotype; it’s faster.”
WaitingMan over 12 years ago
I’m not prejudiced. I hate everyone equally.
Tommy1733 over 12 years ago
This really sucks.
doris sloan over 12 years ago
Okay, enough of this racist blather. Stop or I’m calling the paddy wagon to haul you off.
mrsullenbeauty over 12 years ago
To not honor a bet, I believe, has been called Welshing; to negotiate down a price is an anti-semitic slur I won’t delineate; to take back a gift refers to Indian-giving — nice bit of info about this one, BrandeX; I never knew that, but it makes sense; and the last one, to not deliver on a promise, I think must refer to “gyp”, the impetus slur for the entire strip.
prrdh over 12 years ago
They’re actually from India originally, and reached Europe through Egypt (which is where the English term for them comes from; they call themselves Romany or Romani). As you say, they’re nomadic, which means they don’t fit in very well in a modern bureaucratic state, which forces them to choose life on questionable terms with the law or abandonment of their traditional culture. They are wonderful with horses, fine metalworkers…and fantastic musicians, having influenced everything from Flamenco to Liszt and Brahms.
el8 over 12 years ago
sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never harm me…get over it, all youse PC prisses
jgcp1 over 12 years ago
How we jump through hoops for the sake of being “politcally correct”. It’s about the intent of what you say that makes i wrong. Stop being so easily offeded by words.