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- over 3 years ago on Luann
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over 3 years ago
on Luann
Yeah… Using something as unbelievable as this just to get your plot twist/yuk yuks really was lame. Even if we are to believe Gunther couldn’t find the enormous main hall and front door but was able to find his way back to the Pagado of Peace, if he really meant to leave, he could have taken any way out and walked around the outside of the house.
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over 3 years ago
on Luann
Aren’t these characters supposed to be about 18 or 19? Saying this as someone who married her high school sweetheart right out of high school, just how many serious relationships could any of them ever had? Bets talks like a 35yo old burned by a series of bad relationships, not a college freshman still too young to drink. Tiffany’s suddenly got experience/knowledge from nowhere, too. It just seems off to me. I know I’ve said Bets’ exhibits behaviors that some people are not thrilled to put up with, but I figured her reference to people leaving her was not only in the romantic sense. If she really was speaking of boyfriends, it could be a lot more simple than that – they were kids and just dating/having fun, and didn’t take it as seriously as she did.
And I would say something about how Bets could tone down the insulting snark right now as the beginnings of an effort to be the sort of friend/person people like and want to be around on a long-term basis, but that would be nitpicking, lol. At least in this case, Tiff either didn’t catch it or chose to be the bigger person focused on trying to salvage Gun-n-Bets, and ignored it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion… as long as that opinion is that Bets is super great and can do no wrong! X-D
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over 3 years ago
on Luann
Has anyone ever actually done that? I would assume it would just shatter the button or the staple wouldn’t be big enough to reach all the way through/around it and the fabric.
Fabric tape is a thing. There’s a kind that’s heat activated with an iron and a kind you just press together like double-sided tape. You can easily fix a hem with it. I wouldn’t necessarily expect Brad or Toni to know that, but I would think they could look at a sewn-on button long enough to figure out how to reattach one that’s come off. (Having a needle and thread is another story, though…)
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over 3 years ago
on Luann
I ran out of characters.
Scarlet mentioned the “millions of young people” who “help” others for profit. She seems to be including herself in that group. (“I charged my mom’s co-workers…”) She’s okay with that. Presumably her friends are ok with that/do the same.
But there are also many, many young people who don’t charge for their help. They go on “alternative” Spring Breaks where they build houses for the poor rather than party at the beach, for instance. (Yes, this was me and my friends over 20 years ago and my kids and their friends 5 years ago. We also all spend time every summer – prior to Covid – spending our own money that we raise through everything from carwashes to bake sales to help with home repairs for the needy. Years and years of this.)
I have been married for 32 years to the boy I dated in high school. I have very good friends I have known since grade school. Additionally, I have helped total strangers without expecting a return and total strangers have helped me. If Bets wants a future where people stay with her long-term, she should consider being a better friend herself. If Scarlet believes she can lecture people because she’s pissed off and appalled that not everyone is ok with Bets’ self-centeredness and can see where Bets could be at least partially at fault for the collapse of her past relationships, then she should expect some pushback, too.
I am not saying no one should demand and expect to be paid for their help. It’s their choice. I am merely saying (again and again) that that kind of attitude and thinking has consequences that could include people not wanting to be in any close relationship with them, and they need to accept that rather than get angry about it.
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over 3 years ago
on Luann
Stop shouting.
She said “we” in reference to college students needing money. Which I already mentioned as my evidence that she is a student. She more than once made statements that it was not a big deal for Bets to pull Gun away from his studies because it was “only” homework, indicating she takes homework lightly, unlike serious students. Which I also already mentioned. It would have been one thing if Bets had gone to Gun and said, “You are studying so hard. Let’s take the night off and have a nice dinner.” But Bets did way more than that. She gave Gun a many hours long project to do before they could go to dinner and Scarlet has indicated she has no problem with that, showing a certain lack of seriousness concerning academics.
Yes, it is her opinion. She has a right to be “pissed off” that people point out Bets’ demonstrates behaviors that tend to run people off. But if she’s going to accuse anyone who points out Bets’ behaviors are off-putting as “blaming the victim,” other people have the right to expressing their thoughts on the matter, too.
People who don’t always expect to be paid for their help don’t tend to want to be heavily involved with people who do. People who do expect monetary compensation for their help don’t tend to have the strongest relationships they could. They may not know that, because they may not know any better/spend enough time with more generous people to know how things actually could be. They may be content enough with their lives not to look for more, but they really shouldn’t then be surprised at the folks that drift out of their lives while thinking themselves blameless victims.
Scarlet may go out of her way to help friends expecting nothing in return, but if she’s the kind of person who sees nothing wrong with disrupting a friend’s need to study because she wants him to spend hours helping her prepare for a pirate party, I have my doubts about her putting her friends first without any thought for what she gets out of it.
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over 3 years ago
on Luann
You can certainly go through your entire life demanding renumeration for anything you ever do for anyone, and indeed when you respond with any sort of, “How dare anyone think they are entitled to my help without paying me!” response, there will be those who nod their heads in agreement.
Here’s what you’ve told us about yourself in the last 2 days.
1. You are a student. (You said something about “we” in reference to college kids). But you are not a terribly serious one. You dismissively said people “misrember” that Gunther was “only” doing homework not studying for an exam, like that made his work unimportant and of course it was ok for Bets to interrupt it – not just for a dinner, mind, but long enough to sew costumes.
2. You aren’t very altruistic. If you help anyone, even your mom’s co-workers, you expect to be paid because who would ever do something generous for anyone they don’t know?
3. You identify with Bets, going to great lengths to lecture about how she’s a victim of terrible past relationships where she was abandoned and it “pissed you off” that anyone questioned it.
What you are not doing is connecting any dots. Yes, you can be the sort of person who demands to be financially compensated for any assistance you give and yes, plenty of others who look at the world that way will back you up. Just don’t be surprised when some of your “friends” drift away. Your circle may all agree that you should be paid if you ever help one another, but your circle will never be very strong and those you meet who are not always thinking of relationships in terms of compensation will not want to be part of that circle at all.
Be the person who looks to be paid for help because you feel no one deserves your help for free. You’ll find support in that philosophy. Just don’t be the person who also insists someone with your attitude is a blameless victim when people leave because you refuse to admit not everyone goes through life expecting to get each time she gives.
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over 3 years ago
on Luann
Sure. And if you could refrain from accusing me of double standards because I judged Bets for something she did (charged a boyfriend’s friend half the money that friend was trying to raise, for her help) and didn’t judge Tiffany for that behavior (seeing that as far as I know Tiff hasn’t ever done the same and you haven’t provided an example), that would be lovely.
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over 3 years ago
on Luann
No, I wouldn’t say we agree. I said I wouldn’t “pursue the friendship” if all she wanted out of me was for me to do things for her. Because then it wouldn’t be an actual friendship. But no, I do not help my friends only if I am certain that for every favor I do them, they will do one back for me.
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over 3 years ago
on Luann
Ok, the more I think on this, the more pointless this all seems. If you have an example of where Tiffany had a friend who was trying to raise money and she jumped in to help but wanted 50% of the money raised (or 100% of the money which makes zero sense) so that we can apply the same standards to the same situation please let me know. Otherwise, for the last time: I have friendships that are more than 2x older than these characters are. If I needed help, I could make a few phone calls and in a matter of hours have a dozen or more people ready to assist me and not one of them would say, “This is work, Jen. I’ll help, but I expect $X in return.” And every one of those friends knows they can count on me for the same. I also freely help people I barely know or don’t know at all which one time resulted in someone giving me a car just when my family needed it most. Call it the hand of God. Call it Karma. Call it like attracts like. Call it whatever you want. What my 50+ trips around the sun have taught me is that if you want people in your life whom you can rely on no matter what, you need to be that sort of person yourself. Is Tiff that? Probably not. But I haven’t discussed her directly because she is currently not the one dumping her boyfriend because people dumped her in the past. I’m talking about Bets because she’s that person and saying that there’s a very real chance her way of pushing people to do what she wants over their objections and charging them for her help could be a big clue to why they eventually leave is not racist. Is not victim blaming. It’s just saying Bets needs to own up to how she chooses to treat others and how that in turn affects their responses to her.
Just FTR, being called a “hater” constantly in these comments simply because we dislike or criticize the poor behaviors of a character has already gotten very old. (It’s not projection, either, by the way.) I suppose we could all just act like 12yo old girls and post: “SQUUUEEEEEE!!! OMG!!!! Gunnie & Bets 4eva!!!!! I knew her silly issues with abandonment could be fixed in 5 minutes by totes brills Tiffany!”
Or, we could offer our opinions without all the “haters” flak because we have as much right to our opinions as the Bets uber fans do.
Seriously, I realize I am likely wasting my time even saying this, but since this arc has started I have seen many “haters” comments, plus the whole “victim blaming, nitpicking, appalling, racist” bits. I regret trying to ever even explain why I dislike Bets’s character (dislike, not hate) because all I learned is that on this forum it is okay for certain people to openly insult others (if the others don’t have the approved opinions) but it is not okay for the others to speak up, explain, or defend their position. Unless, of course, they want to spend the next who knows how long being snidely dismissed. I’ve definitely learned my lesson. It’s just not worth it. I thought it would be fun and interesting to discuss a comic I’ve been reading for decades with others who like and follow it, but if “ha ha ha all you projecting haters!” is the normal here, there’s just not a lot of fun about it.