The man talking to Rev. Righteous must be a Roman Catholic. ~ Mr Doty
Mr Doty ~ That comment in prejudicial and beneath you. Does your Bible not contain those passages about not judging others? There are people of all faiths who only go to church on special occasions such as weddings, funerals, major holidays & when someone drags them there.
I personally go to the church graveyard on November 1st every year to make sure none of my relatives are roaming about.
I was thinking the same thing, Joe. Although, on second glance, he’s calling him pastor, not priest, so he’s probably not. (I’m having trouble resiting the urge to attack both titles.)
LuvH8, while there are some of every faith that do this, Catholicism allows it and even seems to praise this type of action, whereas all protestant denominations that I can think of (probably not all out there, but most) realize that the Bible demands more.
There was a time when in 2000 the World Trade Center was taken by evil. People went to churches every where.
A lot of people knew though who attend regularly that would soon end and it did. Now only on special occasions people attend church. That is sad.
“LuvH8, while there are some of every faith that do this, Catholicism allows it and even seems to praise this type of action, whereas all protestant denominations that I can think of (probably not all out there, but most) realize that the Bible demands more.”
Ah, not quite. The Precepts of the Church–the “very necessary minimum in the spirit of prayer and moral effort, in the growth of love of God and neighbor” include as the first of five precepts: “Attending Mass on Sundays and holy days of obligation and to rest from servile labor.” The third precept is to “receive the sacrament of the Eucharist at least once during the Easter Season” is perhaps what you are referring to–but there are a total of five precepts.
Unfortunately, in every community and Church there are those who are not as committed as they could be if they wanted to benefit from a faithful life. Those who show up to be “hatched, matched and dispatched” (Baptism, Marriage, and funeral), or Christmas and Easter, as here. Sadly, they don’t know what they are missing.
I won’t answer for Joe and I am curious why you attack him as I think he has explained his position in the past - and I do not agree with it.
But I find your compilation of terms interesting if I change one word in this diatribe seems to make more sense:
“look at the history of the ‘liberalism’ used to excuse: hate; genocide; slavery; murder; cruelty to children; cannibalism; women as chattel; sexual permissiveness (wait, I like that one); sympathetic magic; superstition; the list continues on and on.”
That seems more like a list of our current secular society and what it is trying to force us to accept.
I would also suggest from the tone that there will never be “enough evidence” since the starting and or ending points will always be divergent.
People tend to find what they are looking for (and ignore what they aren’t looking for). People are able to find evidence to support any argument, if they try.
Joe, I am very glad that you have found that your religion does not condemn for being homosexual. (I had heard it was a big no-no, but had no evidence one way or another.) We may disagree on a lot of things, but I cannot even imagine all the difficulties anyone of your generation went through being homosexual. Dealing with the prejudice, and most likely having to hide who you were from many people must have been terrible. Many of the things you went through in your life I can barely imagine.
I understand some of your views because my dad was about the same age and also a Vietnam War veteran. He believed that mental illness was the same as being crazy, and that men didn’t ask for help with emotional stuff. So many people do not understand that mental illness is just as broad of a classification as physical illness is. He might have been a lot happier during his last years if he would have been willing to discuss his depression with his doctor, and not seen asking for help as a weakness.
In case you are wondering, it is because I find things to admire about you that I sometimes tell you when I disagree with something you have typed.
: ) Phil N. DeBlanc ~ Just couldn’t stay out of the discussion could you? Your avatar is just strange next to the views you express. (I think it’s the giant tongue.)
Question For Anybody & Everybody ~ Do you think it is okay to pray to God; if you are not sure there is really a God? (please remember simple explanations for me)
I guess my answer to your question would be references that had been previously given. Prayer is to be directed to God the Father, in the Holy Spirit, in the name of the Son. That is referenced from the Lord’s prayer for His disciples to pray. But that refers back to previous discussion between Bunnyface and DerekA and the issue of prayer to dead saints that have no omniscient/omnipresent attributes and so can’t hear you if listening to Bunnyface.
Of course if you don’t have faith in Christ, then prayer can’t hurt, it just may not help if Christ is right and He is the only way and not one way.
Joe I admire you for being so honest with these people, when really it is NONE of their business! I admire and respect you and enjoy your stories. Hang in there, Joe! There ARE people here who aren’t mean and vicious! And try to ignore the ones who attack you, I know it’s hard, but don’t let them get you down, sir!
Joe I have been concerned that I had noticed signs of depression in your posts. I am relieved to know that you are willing to talk to people who can help you when you have problems. Health problems can get you depressed especially adding not being able to sleep to them.
Not all depression is organic in cause, and some can be improved by lifestyle changes or simply having someone to talk to about it with. I wish my dad had been as open to communicating about it with his doctor as you were.
Another reason that I try to encourage people to talk to doctors about depression and mood problems is because sometimes the problems are symptoms of an illness not related to depression.
Sometimes sharing stuff helps us (sometimes it doesn’t). If nothing else knowing that you are not alone can be helpful.
BTW ~ medication is not a magic cure for mental illness. I wish it were, we are still looking for the right combination for me. Often the side effects are worse than not taking pills at all, but I keep trying.
I hope you find something that helps you feel better and be able to rest comfortably. Sleeplessness is not fun.
@MARBLE C O C K, NO NOT YOU! NOT AT ALL! If you read the posts, over all these weeks, you will see. I was never AT ANY TIME, referring to you! * I’m sorry if you thought so!*
@MARBLE, part of that got bleeped so I had to re-do it!
A C OC K is also a rooster, as is D A R N is what you do to repair socks! LOL! This site is strange that way!
So do you think it would offend God if I prayed without knowing He existed. Also, do you think He would mind if I called him something else, like ~~~~?
@Marble, I was merely defending Joe and WAS NOT being patronizing! I happen to enjoy his posts. If you have noticed, people go after him when he just makes a post, and yes I have a few gay friends myself, and one gay relative, and to me, THEY ARE PEOPLE, JUST LIKE YOU AND ME! I base a person on how they are,* the person they are, get it?*
Thank you for your advice. I don’t think I will ever be a traditional member of any faith. I tend to think most faiths have most of it right and some of it wrong. I guess I am determined to be unique. Since my opinion/feeling about what God may be is not exactly traditional I just don’t feel right using a traditional name.
I am not sure if reading The Bible is entirely a good idea for me since sometimes I like to argue just to do it. (Also I would be very tempted to use the knowledge against my daughter’s father.)
I am not looking forward to Monkey 2’s(daughter) father finding out that she is bisexual. He is one of those people who claims not to be prejudice. For him becoming religious brought out just how judgmental and hypocritical he really is.
Templo S.U.D. over 14 years ago
I’ve heard of some people like that.
I bet in Judaism, there are some Jews who go to synagogue are those that come for Passover and Chanukah.
ejcapulet over 14 years ago
Well, that is “regular” in the strictest definition.
Ooops! Premium Member over 14 years ago
The man talking to Rev. Righteous must be a Roman Catholic. ~ Mr Doty
Mr Doty ~ That comment in prejudicial and beneath you. Does your Bible not contain those passages about not judging others? There are people of all faiths who only go to church on special occasions such as weddings, funerals, major holidays & when someone drags them there.
I personally go to the church graveyard on November 1st every year to make sure none of my relatives are roaming about.
Ooops! Premium Member over 14 years ago
Hello Everyone!
Have A Pleasant Week!rdh288 over 14 years ago
I was thinking the same thing, Joe. Although, on second glance, he’s calling him pastor, not priest, so he’s probably not. (I’m having trouble resiting the urge to attack both titles.)
LuvH8, while there are some of every faith that do this, Catholicism allows it and even seems to praise this type of action, whereas all protestant denominations that I can think of (probably not all out there, but most) realize that the Bible demands more.
kab2rb over 14 years ago
There was a time when in 2000 the World Trade Center was taken by evil. People went to churches every where. A lot of people knew though who attend regularly that would soon end and it did. Now only on special occasions people attend church. That is sad.
bmonk over 14 years ago
rdh288 said, about 5 hours ago
“LuvH8, while there are some of every faith that do this, Catholicism allows it and even seems to praise this type of action, whereas all protestant denominations that I can think of (probably not all out there, but most) realize that the Bible demands more.”
Ah, not quite. The Precepts of the Church–the “very necessary minimum in the spirit of prayer and moral effort, in the growth of love of God and neighbor” include as the first of five precepts: “Attending Mass on Sundays and holy days of obligation and to rest from servile labor.” The third precept is to “receive the sacrament of the Eucharist at least once during the Easter Season” is perhaps what you are referring to–but there are a total of five precepts.
Unfortunately, in every community and Church there are those who are not as committed as they could be if they wanted to benefit from a faithful life. Those who show up to be “hatched, matched and dispatched” (Baptism, Marriage, and funeral), or Christmas and Easter, as here. Sadly, they don’t know what they are missing.
Plods with ...™ over 14 years ago
C&E christianity at its finest
dead.theologians.society over 14 years ago
I won’t answer for Joe and I am curious why you attack him as I think he has explained his position in the past - and I do not agree with it.
But I find your compilation of terms interesting if I change one word in this diatribe seems to make more sense:
“look at the history of the ‘liberalism’ used to excuse: hate; genocide; slavery; murder; cruelty to children; cannibalism; women as chattel; sexual permissiveness (wait, I like that one); sympathetic magic; superstition; the list continues on and on.”
That seems more like a list of our current secular society and what it is trying to force us to accept.
I would also suggest from the tone that there will never be “enough evidence” since the starting and or ending points will always be divergent.
Ooops! Premium Member over 14 years ago
People tend to find what they are looking for (and ignore what they aren’t looking for). People are able to find evidence to support any argument, if they try.
Ooops! Premium Member over 14 years ago
Joe, I am very glad that you have found that your religion does not condemn for being homosexual. (I had heard it was a big no-no, but had no evidence one way or another.) We may disagree on a lot of things, but I cannot even imagine all the difficulties anyone of your generation went through being homosexual. Dealing with the prejudice, and most likely having to hide who you were from many people must have been terrible. Many of the things you went through in your life I can barely imagine.
I understand some of your views because my dad was about the same age and also a Vietnam War veteran. He believed that mental illness was the same as being crazy, and that men didn’t ask for help with emotional stuff. So many people do not understand that mental illness is just as broad of a classification as physical illness is. He might have been a lot happier during his last years if he would have been willing to discuss his depression with his doctor, and not seen asking for help as a weakness.
In case you are wondering, it is because I find things to admire about you that I sometimes tell you when I disagree with something you have typed.
I hope you are able to get some sleep tonight.
Ooops! Premium Member over 14 years ago
: ) Phil N. DeBlanc ~ Just couldn’t stay out of the discussion could you? Your avatar is just strange next to the views you express. (I think it’s the giant tongue.)
Question For Anybody & Everybody ~ Do you think it is okay to pray to God; if you are not sure there is really a God? (please remember simple explanations for me)
Plods with ...™ over 14 years ago
LuvH8 -
Can’t hurt even if you’re not sure. If it gives you comfort and a semblance of peace in your life, why not?
dead.theologians.society over 14 years ago
LuvH8 - no - sometimes I get sucked in. Like now.
I guess my answer to your question would be references that had been previously given. Prayer is to be directed to God the Father, in the Holy Spirit, in the name of the Son. That is referenced from the Lord’s prayer for His disciples to pray. But that refers back to previous discussion between Bunnyface and DerekA and the issue of prayer to dead saints that have no omniscient/omnipresent attributes and so can’t hear you if listening to Bunnyface.
Of course if you don’t have faith in Christ, then prayer can’t hurt, it just may not help if Christ is right and He is the only way and not one way.
Dry and Dusty Premium Member over 14 years ago
Joe I admire you for being so honest with these people, when really it is NONE of their business! I admire and respect you and enjoy your stories. Hang in there, Joe! There ARE people here who aren’t mean and vicious! And try to ignore the ones who attack you, I know it’s hard, but don’t let them get you down, sir!
Ooops! Premium Member over 14 years ago
Joe I have been concerned that I had noticed signs of depression in your posts. I am relieved to know that you are willing to talk to people who can help you when you have problems. Health problems can get you depressed especially adding not being able to sleep to them.
Not all depression is organic in cause, and some can be improved by lifestyle changes or simply having someone to talk to about it with. I wish my dad had been as open to communicating about it with his doctor as you were.
Another reason that I try to encourage people to talk to doctors about depression and mood problems is because sometimes the problems are symptoms of an illness not related to depression.
Sometimes sharing stuff helps us (sometimes it doesn’t). If nothing else knowing that you are not alone can be helpful. BTW ~ medication is not a magic cure for mental illness. I wish it were, we are still looking for the right combination for me. Often the side effects are worse than not taking pills at all, but I keep trying.
I hope you find something that helps you feel better and be able to rest comfortably. Sleeplessness is not fun.
Dry and Dusty Premium Member over 14 years ago
@MARBLE C O C K, NO NOT YOU! NOT AT ALL! If you read the posts, over all these weeks, you will see. I was never AT ANY TIME, referring to you! * I’m sorry if you thought so!*
Dry and Dusty Premium Member over 14 years ago
@MARBLE, part of that got bleeped so I had to re-do it! A C OC K is also a rooster, as is D A R N is what you do to repair socks! LOL! This site is strange that way!
Ooops! Premium Member over 14 years ago
So do you think it would offend God if I prayed without knowing He existed. Also, do you think He would mind if I called him something else, like ~~~~?
Dry and Dusty Premium Member over 14 years ago
@Marble, I was merely defending Joe and WAS NOT being patronizing! I happen to enjoy his posts. If you have noticed, people go after him when he just makes a post, and yes I have a few gay friends myself, and one gay relative, and to me, THEY ARE PEOPLE, JUST LIKE YOU AND ME! I base a person on how they are,* the person they are, get it?*
Ooops! Premium Member over 14 years ago
Joe
Thank you for your advice. I don’t think I will ever be a traditional member of any faith. I tend to think most faiths have most of it right and some of it wrong. I guess I am determined to be unique. Since my opinion/feeling about what God may be is not exactly traditional I just don’t feel right using a traditional name.
I am not sure if reading The Bible is entirely a good idea for me since sometimes I like to argue just to do it. (Also I would be very tempted to use the knowledge against my daughter’s father.)
I am not looking forward to Monkey 2’s(daughter) father finding out that she is bisexual. He is one of those people who claims not to be prejudice. For him becoming religious brought out just how judgmental and hypocritical he really is.