In 1816 Thomas Jefferson said: “I sincerely believe…that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies.” (Wow folks…don’t I sound like someone we ALL know?) Beat you to it Joe.
And that was no idle comment on the part of Thomas Jefferson!! The original proposed wording of the United States Constitution’s Second Amendment (by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, among others) was to the effect that ‘standing armies are dangerous to liberty and ought not to be kept up’ and that the proper defense of a free state was NOT a standing army but a ‘militia’, which is the people armed to the teeth, which was ‘well regulated’ which in the vernacular of the day meant well trained so that the militia members could hit what they were aiming at (not ‘controlled’ as it might be interpreted today).
If you doubt this, read Federalist Paper Number 46 by James Madison - here http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpapers/fedindex.htm
Which contains, among other ‘gems’:
“Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.”
And my personal favorite(!):
“Let us not insult the free and gallant citizens of America with the suspicion, that they would be less able to defend the rights of which they would be in actual possession, than the debased subjects of arbitrary power would be to rescue theirs from the hands of their oppressors. Let us rather no longer insult them with the supposition that they can ever reduce themselves to the necessity of making the experiment, by a blind and tame submission to the long train of insidious measures which must precede and produce it.”
It seems that we “free and gallant citizens of America” have been WOEFULLY NEGLIGENT in defending this RIGHT over the last two centuries of our being turned into bleating, whimpering sheep “by blind and tame submission to the long train of insidious measures which must precede and produce it” on the part of the very governments WE were intended to control – NOT the other way about!!!
And THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is your civics lesson for the week!!
Once they take away our right to bare arms, no more sun tans. lol. Sorry, couldn’t help myself, I’ll try again.
Once they take away our right to bear arms, we’re doomed as a free nation.
James Madison was run out of Washinton by the British army which then burned the white house to a shell and were only stopped by a tornado from razing the whole capital.Where was the militia?Colonial and federalist militias were best known for breaking ranks and running for their lives unless they were too drunk to run.
Ubbm, the Militia, if allowed to fight in a more sensible way were extremely effective. The standard of warfare at the time was for the two armies to line up, in musket range, and bang away at each other.
A soldier had to be brainwashed that this was the only way to fight.
The Colonial malitias on the other hand preferred to fight in a similar manner to the Indian warriors. From concealment and behind cover. Much more intelligent than the traditional manner.
The British could not deal with fighting on the Militias terms, THEY broke and ran!
Don’t know where you are getting your history.
State Militia in both the revolution and civil war were often put in the front ranks because the only way to keep them from hauling to the rear at at the first shot was to put regular army troops behind them.
While some Militia ranger units did excel at fire from concealment their collection of brought from home hunting rifles and shotguns did not have the effective range to do much damage unless their fire was massed.
Which is why tactics at that time favored line of fire, the limited range of smooth bore weapons mandated armies maneuver close to each other .
Some Generals used Militia to great advantage by putting them in the front ranks and counting on them to break to the rear , luring the enemy closer to the real effective troops hiding in concealment.
By the time of the Civil War most State Militia units were nothing more then Marching and Chowder societies.
It isn’t a WEAPON unless you are a criminal intending to use it as a weapon.
No real cop calls his gun a “weapon”. That’s his protection. They refer to it as a gun or firearm, NOT a “weapon”, unlike the “cops” on network TV shows.
Considering there are no 2nd Amendment rights in NY City, where Susan lives, and nobody but Police are allowed to legally carry a gun, those “gang member thugs” she mentioned have illegally obtained guns, and that right there is the problem. If people in NYC were not denied their Constitutional right to bear arms, the “thugs” with the illegal guns could have been stopped in a minute, not 7 innocent bystanders later, same as the nuts that go shoot up schools. They were taken down, late, by someone who ran to their car to get their gun, because of stupid laws that prevent people protecting themselves and others by carrying legally.
In WW2, the emperor of Japan was afraid to land his troops on American soil. He said, and I don’t quote exactly here, ” In America, behind every blade of grass is an American with a gun.” That’s the way it SHOULD BE! Every criminal should be AFRAID to pull a gun on someone else, who might pull his own and kill him instead. When you disarm the public, the criminals are the only ones with “WEAPONS”.
Aerwalt, I knew what you meant, and you’re right about trying to tax them our of our hands. If not by taxes, by doubled and trippled fees. Obama pretty much killed the ability to find ammo. You can still barely ever find most calibers. There’s a reason everyone stocked up and applied for permits after he was “elected”.
Many states are now discussing open carry in place of concealed, since so many people are questioning the legality of the concealment rules, which are turning out to be not so legal.
GROG Premium Member over 14 years ago
I haven’t seen it…yet.
Pacejv over 14 years ago
In 1816 Thomas Jefferson said: “I sincerely believe…that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies.” (Wow folks…don’t I sound like someone we ALL know?) Beat you to it Joe.
mrslukeskywalker over 14 years ago
Time to install a big safe in the tree hole.
BigChiefDesoto over 14 years ago
And that was no idle comment on the part of Thomas Jefferson!! The original proposed wording of the United States Constitution’s Second Amendment (by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, among others) was to the effect that ‘standing armies are dangerous to liberty and ought not to be kept up’ and that the proper defense of a free state was NOT a standing army but a ‘militia’, which is the people armed to the teeth, which was ‘well regulated’ which in the vernacular of the day meant well trained so that the militia members could hit what they were aiming at (not ‘controlled’ as it might be interpreted today).
If you doubt this, read Federalist Paper Number 46 by James Madison - here http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpapers/fedindex.htm
Which contains, among other ‘gems’:
“Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.”
And my personal favorite(!):
“Let us not insult the free and gallant citizens of America with the suspicion, that they would be less able to defend the rights of which they would be in actual possession, than the debased subjects of arbitrary power would be to rescue theirs from the hands of their oppressors. Let us rather no longer insult them with the supposition that they can ever reduce themselves to the necessity of making the experiment, by a blind and tame submission to the long train of insidious measures which must precede and produce it.”
It seems that we “free and gallant citizens of America” have been WOEFULLY NEGLIGENT in defending this RIGHT over the last two centuries of our being turned into bleating, whimpering sheep “by blind and tame submission to the long train of insidious measures which must precede and produce it” on the part of the very governments WE were intended to control – NOT the other way about!!!
And THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is your civics lesson for the week!!
Lyons Group, Inc. over 14 years ago
I love reading that better than the spams some ingrate’s been posting.
davecancer over 14 years ago
Remember this quote? “I’ll give you my gun when you take it from my cold dead hands.”
gjsjr41 over 14 years ago
Once they take away our right to bare arms, no more sun tans. lol. Sorry, couldn’t help myself, I’ll try again. Once they take away our right to bear arms, we’re doomed as a free nation.
ronaldmundy over 14 years ago
a tanless free nation?
UBBM Premium Member over 14 years ago
James Madison was run out of Washinton by the British army which then burned the white house to a shell and were only stopped by a tornado from razing the whole capital.Where was the militia?Colonial and federalist militias were best known for breaking ranks and running for their lives unless they were too drunk to run.
travburg1 over 14 years ago
Ubbm, the Militia, if allowed to fight in a more sensible way were extremely effective. The standard of warfare at the time was for the two armies to line up, in musket range, and bang away at each other. A soldier had to be brainwashed that this was the only way to fight. The Colonial malitias on the other hand preferred to fight in a similar manner to the Indian warriors. From concealment and behind cover. Much more intelligent than the traditional manner. The British could not deal with fighting on the Militias terms, THEY broke and ran! Don’t know where you are getting your history.
gillbillvolume1 over 14 years ago
Sadly history bears out ubbm
State Militia in both the revolution and civil war were often put in the front ranks because the only way to keep them from hauling to the rear at at the first shot was to put regular army troops behind them. While some Militia ranger units did excel at fire from concealment their collection of brought from home hunting rifles and shotguns did not have the effective range to do much damage unless their fire was massed. Which is why tactics at that time favored line of fire, the limited range of smooth bore weapons mandated armies maneuver close to each other .
Some Generals used Militia to great advantage by putting them in the front ranks and counting on them to break to the rear , luring the enemy closer to the real effective troops hiding in concealment.
By the time of the Civil War most State Militia units were nothing more then Marching and Chowder societies.
I got my history first hand .. I was there
risitas over 14 years ago
Your friendly, neighborhood GOP, winnin’ ”The War on You!”
runar over 14 years ago
Yes, but what Uncle Thomas distrusted even more than banks were corporations.
aerwalt over 14 years ago
Our weapons will be taxed out of our hands.
mrslukeskywalker over 14 years ago
It isn’t a WEAPON unless you are a criminal intending to use it as a weapon.
No real cop calls his gun a “weapon”. That’s his protection. They refer to it as a gun or firearm, NOT a “weapon”, unlike the “cops” on network TV shows.
Considering there are no 2nd Amendment rights in NY City, where Susan lives, and nobody but Police are allowed to legally carry a gun, those “gang member thugs” she mentioned have illegally obtained guns, and that right there is the problem. If people in NYC were not denied their Constitutional right to bear arms, the “thugs” with the illegal guns could have been stopped in a minute, not 7 innocent bystanders later, same as the nuts that go shoot up schools. They were taken down, late, by someone who ran to their car to get their gun, because of stupid laws that prevent people protecting themselves and others by carrying legally.
In WW2, the emperor of Japan was afraid to land his troops on American soil. He said, and I don’t quote exactly here, ” In America, behind every blade of grass is an American with a gun.” That’s the way it SHOULD BE! Every criminal should be AFRAID to pull a gun on someone else, who might pull his own and kill him instead. When you disarm the public, the criminals are the only ones with “WEAPONS”.
LadybugMacon over 14 years ago
Isn’t it funny how life takes from fantasy. Too much these days.
aerwalt over 14 years ago
Ok. Substitute “Guns” for “Weapons” in my previous post.
mrslukeskywalker over 14 years ago
Aerwalt, I knew what you meant, and you’re right about trying to tax them our of our hands. If not by taxes, by doubled and trippled fees. Obama pretty much killed the ability to find ammo. You can still barely ever find most calibers. There’s a reason everyone stocked up and applied for permits after he was “elected”.
Many states are now discussing open carry in place of concealed, since so many people are questioning the legality of the concealment rules, which are turning out to be not so legal.
travburg1 over 14 years ago
Bravo, Mrs. Luke!
Many politicians are no better than common criminals.
COWBOY7 over 14 years ago
This is a good one today!
pbarnrob over 14 years ago
Back to the toon; check the library (remember those?) for The Best Way To Rob a Bank Is To Own One by William K. Black.