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From yesterday (I donāt usually postdate discussions, and I promise Iāll try not to do it again):
mrprongs said, about 12 hours ago:
Sorry Ruthie, but your faith decreesthat since Suzette never acceptedjesus as he lord and savior, sheāsburning in Hell right now.
If youāre going to snark at someoneās religious beliefs, at least try not to embarrass yourself with absurdities. Christianity has never, in any of its variations, taught that salvation concerns plant life. A tree canāt choose, by free will, to disobey God (it canāt even shoo away a passing dog, after all); which means, by definition, it canāt sin; which means it doesnāt need saving.
Being ignorant and mean-spirited are not a flattering combination.
I didnāt see it as mean spirited, just a misguided attempt to be a bit of a pedant, by someone who doesnāt really understand the concept of sin. I thought about commenting but didnāt want to start a debate.
So ignorant, yes. Mean spirited, maybe not.
Before anyone get insulted, there is nothing wrong with being ignorant, only with choosing to stay that way.
I would think mrprongs isnāt generally ignorantā¦and probably could share information on subjects of which I know little but would appreciate learning from his/her perspective..
It is troublesome for me to attach atālabelā to anyone so I try not to do this because it could hurt.
This little comic has a gentleness about it I like.
We are all ignorant in some matters, no matter how much know.
I didnāt attach a label of general ignorance, just in the one subject. And it is a difficult subject.
Donāt try to attach a derogatory meaning to the word. I suppose we could have used āuninformedā, but it means exactly the same thing.
āadjective
1.
lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2.
lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics.
3.
uninformed; unaware.
4.
due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.
I, myself, know quite a bit about a few things; I know something about rather more things; and Iām utterly ignorant of the vast majority of things. Being ignorant doesnāt bother me, unless I want to express an opinion ā then I either learn enough to be entitled to an opinion, or I keep my peace. In any case, Iām okay with being called ignorant when it appliesā¦fair is fair.
That being said, I think Iāll pass on apologizing to mrprongs for what I posted. Iām sorry if he took offense, of course, but consider what he said. Either heās genuinely ignorant of what Christianity teaches, but chose to make a joke about something that other people care deeply about anyway, which was certainly ill-considered and unavoidably rude. Alternatively, he knows what Christianity teaches, and chose to misrepresent it in a deliberately insulting way. I have to add that he also chose to mock the naive faith of a child with a remark that, had he said it to an actual childās face, would have been unspeakably cruel.
So Iāll stick with āignorant and mean-spiritedā. All things considered, I think those were charitable words. If you think Iām wrong, Iād be happy to be corrected, and Iāll apologize then.
Hi, theBird55 I agree with your statement ā that we are all ignorant in some matters, no matter how much we know.ā Nor do I believe you were handing out labels in this case.
Communication, especially when we cannot āseeā the other person or hear the voice is made more difficult. (sigh)
Maybe it is best for me to refrain from further comments of this type and follow your thoughts about ānot wanting to start a debate.ā No offense meant to be given; None taken.
I know what you mean. I hope you didnāt read any harsh tones in my post, because they certainly werenāt intended. I was just trying to clarify my previous statement.
Actually, my original post was about a conscious choice, on my part, to believe it was ignorance, as opposed to malice. Rose colored glasses and all that.
kab2rb over 14 years ago
Awe Ruthie. Iām adult and my mom who is very much alive works both of us.
peter0423 over 14 years ago
Ruthie and her mom have a great relationship. :)
From yesterday (I donāt usually postdate discussions, and I promise Iāll try not to do it again):
mrprongs said, about 12 hours ago:
Sorry Ruthie, but your faith decrees that since Suzette never accepted jesus as he lord and savior, sheās burning in Hell right now.
If youāre going to snark at someoneās religious beliefs, at least try not to embarrass yourself with absurdities. Christianity has never, in any of its variations, taught that salvation concerns plant life. A tree canāt choose, by free will, to disobey God (it canāt even shoo away a passing dog, after all); which means, by definition, it canāt sin; which means it doesnāt need saving.
Being ignorant and mean-spirited are not a flattering combination.
alviebird over 14 years ago
I didnāt see it as mean spirited, just a misguided attempt to be a bit of a pedant, by someone who doesnāt really understand the concept of sin. I thought about commenting but didnāt want to start a debate.
So ignorant, yes. Mean spirited, maybe not.
Before anyone get insulted, there is nothing wrong with being ignorant, only with choosing to stay that way.
hopeandjoy2 over 14 years ago
I would think mrprongs isnāt generally ignorantā¦and probably could share information on subjects of which I know little but would appreciate learning from his/her perspective..
It is troublesome for me to attach atālabelā to anyone so I try not to do this because it could hurt.
This little comic has a gentleness about it I like.
alviebird over 14 years ago
We are all ignorant in some matters, no matter how much know.
I didnāt attach a label of general ignorance, just in the one subject. And it is a difficult subject.
Donāt try to attach a derogatory meaning to the word. I suppose we could have used āuninformedā, but it means exactly the same thing.
āadjective 1. lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man. 2. lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics. 3. uninformed; unaware. 4. due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.
peter0423 over 14 years ago
I, myself, know quite a bit about a few things; I know something about rather more things; and Iām utterly ignorant of the vast majority of things. Being ignorant doesnāt bother me, unless I want to express an opinion ā then I either learn enough to be entitled to an opinion, or I keep my peace. In any case, Iām okay with being called ignorant when it appliesā¦fair is fair.
That being said, I think Iāll pass on apologizing to mrprongs for what I posted. Iām sorry if he took offense, of course, but consider what he said. Either heās genuinely ignorant of what Christianity teaches, but chose to make a joke about something that other people care deeply about anyway, which was certainly ill-considered and unavoidably rude. Alternatively, he knows what Christianity teaches, and chose to misrepresent it in a deliberately insulting way. I have to add that he also chose to mock the naive faith of a child with a remark that, had he said it to an actual childās face, would have been unspeakably cruel.
So Iāll stick with āignorant and mean-spiritedā. All things considered, I think those were charitable words. If you think Iām wrong, Iād be happy to be corrected, and Iāll apologize then.
hopeandjoy2 over 14 years ago
Hi, theBird55 I agree with your statement ā that we are all ignorant in some matters, no matter how much we know.ā Nor do I believe you were handing out labels in this case.
Communication, especially when we cannot āseeā the other person or hear the voice is made more difficult. (sigh)
Maybe it is best for me to refrain from further comments of this type and follow your thoughts about ānot wanting to start a debate.ā No offense meant to be given; None taken.
alviebird over 14 years ago
I know what you mean. I hope you didnāt read any harsh tones in my post, because they certainly werenāt intended. I was just trying to clarify my previous statement.
Actually, my original post was about a conscious choice, on my part, to believe it was ignorance, as opposed to malice. Rose colored glasses and all that.
hopeandjoy2 over 14 years ago
: )