Are we still a sovereign country? Do we still have a right to decide who comes in to our country? Are we just slaves of the Globalists? What becomes of America when it is 10% Muslim? 20%? 33%
Check the crime reports. You’ll find Italians – should never have let those Italians into the country; you’ll find Irish – should never have let those Irish into the country; you’ll find English – who let in those Englishmen? Let’s face it, you’ll find every religion, race, color, and creed in the crime pages doing terrible things. Why weren’t those people properly vetted so there would be no crime in America today. That would have kept everyone out and left the country to the Indians, who were busily killing and abusing each other.
Let’s look at what’s happened in Europe as the ‘refugees’ came in. Rapes? Molestation of women? Violence? Up, significantly. Let’s look at parts of cities like London, where people who don’t follow the so called ‘Religion of Peace’ are harassed. Natives of host countries are expected to follow rules of their guests rather than the other way around.
“Melting Pot” was never a true analogy in that all the ingredients never completely melted and homogenized. American culture is more like stew, and that’s its strength so far. As Gypsy8 pointed out above, people from each nationality were initially despised when they first arrived. Composites can be stronger than the individual metals alone.
If you do a little research, you will find immigrants are generally good for the country. They help the economy, they help pay taxes for those on Medicare and Social Security, they commit crime at lower rates than white citizens. Basically we have a good immigration system. Most of the immigrants from south of the border are hard working, Christian families and we really ought to provide a path to citizenship.
It would be fine if the immigrants were contributing people, not the ones that only take. My grandparents came to this country, learned english, got jobs and worked hard to make a better life. I respect that.
DagNabbit said, about 1 hour ago@Ted Lind“No one has a problem with immigrants. They can come here and work legally.”Having known and lived with immigrants in the community, that comment, “No one has a problem with immigrants” is false. There are many people born in the USA who are treated worse than immigrants.
The refugees were displaced and are looking for a place for their families. We could go a long way to repair some fences by taking in some very heavily vetted refugees. Or we could let fear rule us and give up our freedoms to live scared. That is not the America I want to live in, stock pile guns and scared of everyone else? No thank you. This is the land of the free and the home of the brave, not the home of the individual gun nut scaredy cat and the land of the whine. We have lived with immigrants and refugees for the entire existence of these United States, it is what makes us great. When we are not so great, we are sending Jewish refugees back to Germany, we are enslaving a whole race, or putting down an entire religion. That is not what our country was founded on.
Gypsy 8, among other things, when we think “Mafia” most think Italans, few realize that during prohibition, and after, the real power, and killers were such as Lansky and others who ran the JEWISH MAFIA in Florida, Cuba, and moved on Las Vegas, leading to the murder of “Bugsy” Seigal.
The Irish gangs of New York were also the result of “minorities” fighting their way to power, not always through legal, or “peaceful” means.
Yes, cross cultural criminality has a long history, but the bankers like B of A, and Wells Fargo, found their greatest support in REGULATION CHANGES that were made by the Reagan and other Republican administrations, with the help of a few Democrats on the Legislative side in the House and Senate. Banking and Wall Street then became a LEGALIZED Mafia, and it was cross cultural ethnically, but uniformly run by that top tenth of one percent who controlled the wealth and wanted more; like Kochs, Trumps, Menard, Scaife, and numerous others who linked up with the Koch projects.
Your lists of “most wanted” seems to have very few if any Middle Easterners. It does have a high proportion of Latinos which stands to reason as you provided information for southern states. I presume northern and northeastern states would show a different mix. Economic and educational levels will probably be more influential in crime statistics than ethnicity. The point is that all ethnic groups have their criminals and you can’t stop crime by targeting total populations.
How easily we repeat the mistakes of the past…fear that something bad might happen is no reason to ignore helping those in need. As far as the rampant Islamaphobia in most of these comments…I would like to remind everyone that the USA is made up of immigrants. We are a nation of outcasts and rebels…and one of our core beliefs is to provide a home for such. Another core belief is that we are the land of the free..free to say what we want, free to do what we want (as long as that doesn’t infringe upon others rights) and free to worship as we want. Shame on you who want to keep this freedom for themselves and not allow it to others.
Not that you ever seem interested in facts or reality, but here is the review process for refugees:https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/11/20/infographic-screening-process-refugee-entry-united-states
The links I reviewed showed that people expressed concern, especially since there isn’t as much info available as there would be for a person in the US. That is why several other checks are added including extensive interviews over a LONG period of time.-850 immigrants granted citizenship by mistake. Do you realize what a small percentage that is?-Tell me, why would President Obama have a plan put forth that he didn’t intend to use? What would he gain? Is this more of the "secret Muslim nonsense, or is it he wants to destroy the US for some weird reason?
So the GOP has stopped wetting itself over foreigners and dark-skinned Americans? They’re not gonna kill us all? They’re not gonna take our jobs? They don’t play ‘The Knockout Game’ on the streets? I must have missed that. Thank you for telling me.
“You probably think people “can’t hear you” because what they are thinking is: “This seems like a random meaningless statistic.” I could say you are waaaaaay more likely to be killed by a stranger than a family member.”You are more likely to be murdered by a stranger than a direct relation, but you are much more likely to be killed by someone you know than a total stranger. Domestic disputes & arguments between people who know one another far outstrip terrorism as cause of death.“They already told us they know they can’t defeat us militarily, they plan to cause financial ruin. Obama’s policies have taken us to the edge of solvency”How do you think they plan to cause financial ruin? They want us to ramp up our military spending, waste money on symbolic, empty gestures in the name of fighting terrorism, all the while trading away our freedom & privacy for false security. How you think voting for Trump’s deficit disaster tax plan is better than Clinton’s status quo is a mystery.
“And here’s a good reason to not trust government with any immigration program:”Umm… who should be in charge of immigration? Google?After reading the OIG report, it seems up to 858 people may have been granted citizenship despite being disqualified for already having a deportation order against them or using a different name. It wasn’t caught at the time due to digitized fingerprints only having become universally required since around 2008-2011.The report doesn’t specify the time period over which these people were naturalized, but sounds like it’s multiple years, possibly every single person they have records on. 700,000 people are naturalized every year, so 858 is a very tiny percentage if we’re looking at a period stretching over many years.Here’s the other takeaway: most of those people must have come in at least 5 years ago, or their fingerprints would be in digitized form. I suspect some of them have been here for decades. Anyone who wants to pretend this somehow means we let 858 potential terrorists into the US is being silly.
Btw, most of your sources are opinion pieces. Despite Breedlove’s claims there’s no evidence of ISIS using refugee programs as a highway to infiltrate terrorists. It’s much easier to use people who already have passports. It’s not random coincidence that nearly all of the people who have committed violent acts here & in Europe were here legally.The few instances where they had people posing as refugees underscore that one of their goals is to make us shut out refugees. Having thousands of their victims living peacefully in the West is terrible optics for them.Supporting the constant improvement & use of new technology in our systems to screen immigrants & visitors is smart policy.Trumpist fatwahs on Muslim refugees, immigrants & citizens isn’t smart.
So when some anti-government militia types or some milk fed middle class suburban kid whose NRA member dad gave him a Glock for his 16th birthday or an angry co-worker or estranged spouse goes on a killing spree it’s somehow different if the shooter is Muslim? Do all of those other killers respect “our way of life”?
“How many men did it take to down 4 airplanes and kill about 3000 people in 9/11?”How about if Bush had paid attention to the PDB instead of going on vacation?Why did Cheney call off NORAD?
Happy Two Shoes almost 8 years ago
Stop eating the orange Skittles.
HabaneroBuck almost 8 years ago
Are we still a sovereign country? Do we still have a right to decide who comes in to our country? Are we just slaves of the Globalists? What becomes of America when it is 10% Muslim? 20%? 33%
Gypsy8 almost 8 years ago
Check the crime reports. You’ll find Italians – should never have let those Italians into the country; you’ll find Irish – should never have let those Irish into the country; you’ll find English – who let in those Englishmen? Let’s face it, you’ll find every religion, race, color, and creed in the crime pages doing terrible things. Why weren’t those people properly vetted so there would be no crime in America today. That would have kept everyone out and left the country to the Indians, who were busily killing and abusing each other.
NeedaChuckle Premium Member almost 8 years ago
Steve Jobs was Syrian. Guess he should have never been let in the country. Damn those iPads and iPhones!
BWR almost 8 years ago
Let’s look at what’s happened in Europe as the ‘refugees’ came in. Rapes? Molestation of women? Violence? Up, significantly. Let’s look at parts of cities like London, where people who don’t follow the so called ‘Religion of Peace’ are harassed. Natives of host countries are expected to follow rules of their guests rather than the other way around.
superposition almost 8 years ago
Cato says long odds
emptc12 almost 8 years ago
“Melting Pot” was never a true analogy in that all the ingredients never completely melted and homogenized. American culture is more like stew, and that’s its strength so far. As Gypsy8 pointed out above, people from each nationality were initially despised when they first arrived. Composites can be stronger than the individual metals alone.
Theodore E. Lind Premium Member almost 8 years ago
If you do a little research, you will find immigrants are generally good for the country. They help the economy, they help pay taxes for those on Medicare and Social Security, they commit crime at lower rates than white citizens. Basically we have a good immigration system. Most of the immigrants from south of the border are hard working, Christian families and we really ought to provide a path to citizenship.
SeaFox10 almost 8 years ago
What do you expect from a “president” that keeps a muslim prayer curtain behind the podium during his speeches of bile!?
morningglory73 Premium Member almost 8 years ago
It would be fine if the immigrants were contributing people, not the ones that only take. My grandparents came to this country, learned english, got jobs and worked hard to make a better life. I respect that.
3pibgorn9 almost 8 years ago
And virtually all still do — even the illegals — who buy stuff and pay sales taxes.
Frankfreak almost 8 years ago
DagNabbit said, about 1 hour ago@Ted Lind“No one has a problem with immigrants. They can come here and work legally.”Having known and lived with immigrants in the community, that comment, “No one has a problem with immigrants” is false. There are many people born in the USA who are treated worse than immigrants.
booga almost 8 years ago
By definition, there are more Dylan Roofs in America than there are Ahmad Rahamis
Mr. Blawt almost 8 years ago
The refugees were displaced and are looking for a place for their families. We could go a long way to repair some fences by taking in some very heavily vetted refugees. Or we could let fear rule us and give up our freedoms to live scared. That is not the America I want to live in, stock pile guns and scared of everyone else? No thank you. This is the land of the free and the home of the brave, not the home of the individual gun nut scaredy cat and the land of the whine. We have lived with immigrants and refugees for the entire existence of these United States, it is what makes us great. When we are not so great, we are sending Jewish refugees back to Germany, we are enslaving a whole race, or putting down an entire religion. That is not what our country was founded on.
Dtroutma almost 8 years ago
Gypsy 8, among other things, when we think “Mafia” most think Italans, few realize that during prohibition, and after, the real power, and killers were such as Lansky and others who ran the JEWISH MAFIA in Florida, Cuba, and moved on Las Vegas, leading to the murder of “Bugsy” Seigal.
The Irish gangs of New York were also the result of “minorities” fighting their way to power, not always through legal, or “peaceful” means.
Yes, cross cultural criminality has a long history, but the bankers like B of A, and Wells Fargo, found their greatest support in REGULATION CHANGES that were made by the Reagan and other Republican administrations, with the help of a few Democrats on the Legislative side in the House and Senate. Banking and Wall Street then became a LEGALIZED Mafia, and it was cross cultural ethnically, but uniformly run by that top tenth of one percent who controlled the wealth and wanted more; like Kochs, Trumps, Menard, Scaife, and numerous others who linked up with the Koch projects.
Gypsy8 almost 8 years ago
Your lists of “most wanted” seems to have very few if any Middle Easterners. It does have a high proportion of Latinos which stands to reason as you provided information for southern states. I presume northern and northeastern states would show a different mix. Economic and educational levels will probably be more influential in crime statistics than ethnicity. The point is that all ethnic groups have their criminals and you can’t stop crime by targeting total populations.
Loco deSane almost 8 years ago
How easily we repeat the mistakes of the past…fear that something bad might happen is no reason to ignore helping those in need. As far as the rampant Islamaphobia in most of these comments…I would like to remind everyone that the USA is made up of immigrants. We are a nation of outcasts and rebels…and one of our core beliefs is to provide a home for such. Another core belief is that we are the land of the free..free to say what we want, free to do what we want (as long as that doesn’t infringe upon others rights) and free to worship as we want. Shame on you who want to keep this freedom for themselves and not allow it to others.
Nantucket Premium Member almost 8 years ago
Not that you ever seem interested in facts or reality, but here is the review process for refugees:https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/11/20/infographic-screening-process-refugee-entry-united-states
emptc12 almost 8 years ago
Another clueless Elite once said (something like), Have they no bread? Let them eat Skittles.
Nantucket Premium Member almost 8 years ago
The links I reviewed showed that people expressed concern, especially since there isn’t as much info available as there would be for a person in the US. That is why several other checks are added including extensive interviews over a LONG period of time.-850 immigrants granted citizenship by mistake. Do you realize what a small percentage that is?-Tell me, why would President Obama have a plan put forth that he didn’t intend to use? What would he gain? Is this more of the "secret Muslim nonsense, or is it he wants to destroy the US for some weird reason?
Kip W almost 8 years ago
So the GOP has stopped wetting itself over foreigners and dark-skinned Americans? They’re not gonna kill us all? They’re not gonna take our jobs? They don’t play ‘The Knockout Game’ on the streets? I must have missed that. Thank you for telling me.
Uncle Joe Premium Member almost 8 years ago
“You probably think people “can’t hear you” because what they are thinking is: “This seems like a random meaningless statistic.” I could say you are waaaaaay more likely to be killed by a stranger than a family member.”You are more likely to be murdered by a stranger than a direct relation, but you are much more likely to be killed by someone you know than a total stranger. Domestic disputes & arguments between people who know one another far outstrip terrorism as cause of death.“They already told us they know they can’t defeat us militarily, they plan to cause financial ruin. Obama’s policies have taken us to the edge of solvency”How do you think they plan to cause financial ruin? They want us to ramp up our military spending, waste money on symbolic, empty gestures in the name of fighting terrorism, all the while trading away our freedom & privacy for false security. How you think voting for Trump’s deficit disaster tax plan is better than Clinton’s status quo is a mystery.
Uncle Joe Premium Member almost 8 years ago
“And here’s a good reason to not trust government with any immigration program:”Umm… who should be in charge of immigration? Google?After reading the OIG report, it seems up to 858 people may have been granted citizenship despite being disqualified for already having a deportation order against them or using a different name. It wasn’t caught at the time due to digitized fingerprints only having become universally required since around 2008-2011.The report doesn’t specify the time period over which these people were naturalized, but sounds like it’s multiple years, possibly every single person they have records on. 700,000 people are naturalized every year, so 858 is a very tiny percentage if we’re looking at a period stretching over many years.Here’s the other takeaway: most of those people must have come in at least 5 years ago, or their fingerprints would be in digitized form. I suspect some of them have been here for decades. Anyone who wants to pretend this somehow means we let 858 potential terrorists into the US is being silly.
Uncle Joe Premium Member almost 8 years ago
Btw, most of your sources are opinion pieces. Despite Breedlove’s claims there’s no evidence of ISIS using refugee programs as a highway to infiltrate terrorists. It’s much easier to use people who already have passports. It’s not random coincidence that nearly all of the people who have committed violent acts here & in Europe were here legally.The few instances where they had people posing as refugees underscore that one of their goals is to make us shut out refugees. Having thousands of their victims living peacefully in the West is terrible optics for them.Supporting the constant improvement & use of new technology in our systems to screen immigrants & visitors is smart policy.Trumpist fatwahs on Muslim refugees, immigrants & citizens isn’t smart.
ED CANTWELL almost 8 years ago
So when some anti-government militia types or some milk fed middle class suburban kid whose NRA member dad gave him a Glock for his 16th birthday or an angry co-worker or estranged spouse goes on a killing spree it’s somehow different if the shooter is Muslim? Do all of those other killers respect “our way of life”?
Nantucket Premium Member almost 8 years ago
“How many men did it take to down 4 airplanes and kill about 3000 people in 9/11?”How about if Bush had paid attention to the PDB instead of going on vacation?Why did Cheney call off NORAD?