Wrong! Keep trying to stop the Obamacare Law that will make the USA fail…!!!
Keep the pressure up in the House and in the Senate to wrestle this Monster to the floor….piece by piece if necessary. Keep up the 26 state effort to get a court decision on the Mandate to buy insurance as null and void because it is unconstitutional.
Write a better bill in the GOP House….with the Private Sector….Patients and Doctors….in charge of decisions of treatments and medications and a private insurance counsel in charge of reasonable and fair premium costs and coverage. Seek private assistance to those who need help paying for coverage…and eliminate the mandate to buy insurance. Encourage medical teaching programs to serve the uninsured….we already have local college training education for medical personnel….expand that system.
^ Hey Disgusted… you know what else is unconstitutional: The Defense of Marriage Act. Do you think that should be repealed with the same fever as the Republicans are putting toward ObamaCare?
I just found this article that reports the House GOP have been busy doing just what I want done….
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=41301
“Obamacare: Repeal, Replace, Defund”…
Thursday 1/20/11 the House voted 253 to 175 with 14 Democrats joining the GOP members….to direct 4 Key committees to immediately begin drafting solutions to replace the existing job-killing healthcare law.”
“…while replacing Obamacare will take many months, the House GOP will simultaneously work to defund it…..cutting programs in the spending bills from the Appropriations Committee.”
(I’m sticking to the issue of Obamacare, Jade, but nice try to derail the subject…)
The Defense of Marriage Act doesn’t significantly increase my costs so I am apathetically neutral towards it, despite the views of my gay friends.. Obamacare does increase my expenses, by any average of 320 a month to be specific. Between the increase in VA medicine cost and my personal insurance which I pay for in order to provide coverage for my family (Company plan) causes me to be far moe concerned with killing this stupid health care law than the other act because as all people I tend to act in my own self-interest. I just don’t hide it behind a PC agenda.
Another example is the department where my brother works as an officer of the law. They are looking to shift their increase insurance costs to the officers by forcing them to pay 100% of the insurance instead of splitting the cost 50/50 as they did prior. In the end we are paying more for less,while others will get a free ride. Spread the wealth and all that I suppose. I make alot of sacrifices to provide for my family and to have that endangered by this law is fundamentally wrong.
I would also have to agree with WBR, if they the Marriage Act is unconstitutional so is outlawing poligamy after all any man or woman shoiuld have the right to be as miserable as they choose though the only logical route here would be to put marriage as an institution of the church and grant legalized unions to the government and grant equal tax breaks and insurance options to both unfortunately this does not necessarily adhere to the morale proximity aspect of law in general. So in the end unless you seperate the two and provide different jurisdiction you are at an empasse.
^VA negotiates costs downward, Republicans consistently oppose this. My VA is “service connected” disabled, so don’t pay, or see how the Health Care Bill will raise your VA cost. My “Private” insurance went up 4% this year, but no COLA for my retirement- THAT is what Republicans offer.
Well if you actually had to pay your bill Dtroutma then you would see that the increase letter sent out to all service members included a 9 dollar per prescription increase and a 32 dollar per visit increae.
Other than that your information on party priority and the VA is greatly lacking but I don’t expect you to let fact get in the way. Your dogma only carries so far.
^I assume you’re a higher income class 6-8 paying copays for VA? Tricare only charges for prescription fill copay outside the system(son is still active duty) and there has been no “increase” for “service members”. Those on low income NON-disabled pay copays, but will check with my niece on whether her husband (vet-not service connected) has received such a letter regarding his care. The republican “con” with regard to challenging the current bill is just “play acting”- and non-productive- just like everything they’ve done for several decades regarding health care.
Actually your right, I am in the higher income bracket now. While I was in school using my hazelwood act, I paid a significantly lower amount when I had to pay. I do have one issue that may lead to service related disability eventually because of a hip injury I sustained and I have filed the paperwork but as you know its time consuming.
Please note I do agree that you should have received a COLA increase, my grandmother is in the same boat and SS isn’t enough fortunately I only live a few hosue away and can help financially and do home repairs for her which allows her to get by.
I can’t disagree that the current Healthcare Repeal is posturing because I realize that even if it gets through the Senate intact it will be Vetoed and then they won’t have the votes to override it.
@disgusted - You stick to it because you oppose its repeal. You have said so before. If we’re talking about repealing UNCONSTITUTIONAL laws, and one 1 ruling out of 2 has ruled that a small portion of the mandate of the healthcare bill is unconstitutional, and and you’re like “ya, remove that unconstitutional bleeep,” and then I say, “hey, you know what else is unconstitutional,” “DOMA and DADT,” with absolutely no rulings in their defense unlike ObamaCare. You’re suddenly quiet. See, it’s quite simple, you say, “get rid of unconstitutional stuff” but really you, like Republicans, don’t care about the constitutionality of a law. It’s “do you hate the people the law affects.” It’s really that simple. It really is.
I’ve derailed nothing. We’re talking about constitutionality. After all, it was the Republicans who were like “we’re going to read the Constitution aloud in Congress” but they defend DOMA. Every member of the RNC pledged to uphold it. This is why the right doesn’t like Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe. If you’re so worried about Constitutionality, you’d agree with me. You don’t. You don’t care. Again, if the next healthcare judge rules that it’s unconstitutional, it’s unconstitutional, repeal it. But see, you’re not like that with DOMA. It involves the rights of gays, you don’t like gays. The law is blatantly unconstitutional, but it’s not about constitutionality with you. So don’t give me this farce about the constitutionality of law.
Marriage is a religious issue. Get Big Government out of my private life!
Oh, and I spoke to a colleague from Finland this week, who told me what they did there, and it’s very interesting. You pay in regularly through taxes, and you can go either to public healthcare services, in which case it’s all covered, or you can go to private care, in which case the same amount of money is covered. So you have a choice, and you get the same amount of money in healthcare coverage either way. Furthermore, since most of the doctors work in both systems, it’s not a question of quality of care. They also have an ingenious approach to defraying costs: they have many nice hospitals with lots of empty space during non-peak periods. During those periods, they rent them to the private physicians. Slick, eh?
They also have a better approach to retirement - you get more money the later you retire, up to a point.
Jaedabee Premium Member over 13 years ago
Keep trying to make Obama / & thus the country fail!
disgustedtaxpayer over 13 years ago
Wrong! Keep trying to stop the Obamacare Law that will make the USA fail…!!!
Keep the pressure up in the House and in the Senate to wrestle this Monster to the floor….piece by piece if necessary. Keep up the 26 state effort to get a court decision on the Mandate to buy insurance as null and void because it is unconstitutional.
Write a better bill in the GOP House….with the Private Sector….Patients and Doctors….in charge of decisions of treatments and medications and a private insurance counsel in charge of reasonable and fair premium costs and coverage. Seek private assistance to those who need help paying for coverage…and eliminate the mandate to buy insurance. Encourage medical teaching programs to serve the uninsured….we already have local college training education for medical personnel….expand that system.
Jaedabee Premium Member over 13 years ago
^ Hey Disgusted… you know what else is unconstitutional: The Defense of Marriage Act. Do you think that should be repealed with the same fever as the Republicans are putting toward ObamaCare?
disgustedtaxpayer over 13 years ago
I just found this article that reports the House GOP have been busy doing just what I want done….
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=41301 “Obamacare: Repeal, Replace, Defund”… Thursday 1/20/11 the House voted 253 to 175 with 14 Democrats joining the GOP members….to direct 4 Key committees to immediately begin drafting solutions to replace the existing job-killing healthcare law.”
“…while replacing Obamacare will take many months, the House GOP will simultaneously work to defund it…..cutting programs in the spending bills from the Appropriations Committee.”
(I’m sticking to the issue of Obamacare, Jade, but nice try to derail the subject…)
oneoldhat over 13 years ago
^^ hey jade if def of marriage act is unconsitutional so is outlawing polygamy
WestTex13 over 13 years ago
The Defense of Marriage Act doesn’t significantly increase my costs so I am apathetically neutral towards it, despite the views of my gay friends.. Obamacare does increase my expenses, by any average of 320 a month to be specific. Between the increase in VA medicine cost and my personal insurance which I pay for in order to provide coverage for my family (Company plan) causes me to be far moe concerned with killing this stupid health care law than the other act because as all people I tend to act in my own self-interest. I just don’t hide it behind a PC agenda.
Another example is the department where my brother works as an officer of the law. They are looking to shift their increase insurance costs to the officers by forcing them to pay 100% of the insurance instead of splitting the cost 50/50 as they did prior. In the end we are paying more for less,while others will get a free ride. Spread the wealth and all that I suppose. I make alot of sacrifices to provide for my family and to have that endangered by this law is fundamentally wrong.
I would also have to agree with WBR, if they the Marriage Act is unconstitutional so is outlawing poligamy after all any man or woman shoiuld have the right to be as miserable as they choose though the only logical route here would be to put marriage as an institution of the church and grant legalized unions to the government and grant equal tax breaks and insurance options to both unfortunately this does not necessarily adhere to the morale proximity aspect of law in general. So in the end unless you seperate the two and provide different jurisdiction you are at an empasse.
Dtroutma over 13 years ago
^VA negotiates costs downward, Republicans consistently oppose this. My VA is “service connected” disabled, so don’t pay, or see how the Health Care Bill will raise your VA cost. My “Private” insurance went up 4% this year, but no COLA for my retirement- THAT is what Republicans offer.
WestTex13 over 13 years ago
Well if you actually had to pay your bill Dtroutma then you would see that the increase letter sent out to all service members included a 9 dollar per prescription increase and a 32 dollar per visit increae.
Other than that your information on party priority and the VA is greatly lacking but I don’t expect you to let fact get in the way. Your dogma only carries so far.
Dtroutma over 13 years ago
^I assume you’re a higher income class 6-8 paying copays for VA? Tricare only charges for prescription fill copay outside the system(son is still active duty) and there has been no “increase” for “service members”. Those on low income NON-disabled pay copays, but will check with my niece on whether her husband (vet-not service connected) has received such a letter regarding his care. The republican “con” with regard to challenging the current bill is just “play acting”- and non-productive- just like everything they’ve done for several decades regarding health care.
WestTex13 over 13 years ago
Actually your right, I am in the higher income bracket now. While I was in school using my hazelwood act, I paid a significantly lower amount when I had to pay. I do have one issue that may lead to service related disability eventually because of a hip injury I sustained and I have filed the paperwork but as you know its time consuming.
Please note I do agree that you should have received a COLA increase, my grandmother is in the same boat and SS isn’t enough fortunately I only live a few hosue away and can help financially and do home repairs for her which allows her to get by.
I can’t disagree that the current Healthcare Repeal is posturing because I realize that even if it gets through the Senate intact it will be Vetoed and then they won’t have the votes to override it.
Jaedabee Premium Member over 13 years ago
@disgusted - You stick to it because you oppose its repeal. You have said so before. If we’re talking about repealing UNCONSTITUTIONAL laws, and one 1 ruling out of 2 has ruled that a small portion of the mandate of the healthcare bill is unconstitutional, and and you’re like “ya, remove that unconstitutional bleeep,” and then I say, “hey, you know what else is unconstitutional,” “DOMA and DADT,” with absolutely no rulings in their defense unlike ObamaCare. You’re suddenly quiet. See, it’s quite simple, you say, “get rid of unconstitutional stuff” but really you, like Republicans, don’t care about the constitutionality of a law. It’s “do you hate the people the law affects.” It’s really that simple. It really is.
I’ve derailed nothing. We’re talking about constitutionality. After all, it was the Republicans who were like “we’re going to read the Constitution aloud in Congress” but they defend DOMA. Every member of the RNC pledged to uphold it. This is why the right doesn’t like Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe. If you’re so worried about Constitutionality, you’d agree with me. You don’t. You don’t care. Again, if the next healthcare judge rules that it’s unconstitutional, it’s unconstitutional, repeal it. But see, you’re not like that with DOMA. It involves the rights of gays, you don’t like gays. The law is blatantly unconstitutional, but it’s not about constitutionality with you. So don’t give me this farce about the constitutionality of law.
Motivemagus over 13 years ago
Marriage is a religious issue. Get Big Government out of my private life! Oh, and I spoke to a colleague from Finland this week, who told me what they did there, and it’s very interesting. You pay in regularly through taxes, and you can go either to public healthcare services, in which case it’s all covered, or you can go to private care, in which case the same amount of money is covered. So you have a choice, and you get the same amount of money in healthcare coverage either way. Furthermore, since most of the doctors work in both systems, it’s not a question of quality of care. They also have an ingenious approach to defraying costs: they have many nice hospitals with lots of empty space during non-peak periods. During those periods, they rent them to the private physicians. Slick, eh? They also have a better approach to retirement - you get more money the later you retire, up to a point.