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You donât have to go to church, but you canât stay hereâŚsoâŚpretzels are the bread and body of Christ? Cool. That would get me to church more. The more I think about it, behind the bar, it does look a little like an alter dedicated to boozeâŚ.
Were he to do a strip with a mullah, would you get the joke, or even recognize him?
Round about Halloween, Wiley did a cartoon including kids dressed as a bishop, a rabbi, and an imam, but half the audience insisted that the imam was supposed to be a Catholic monk.
You make the jokes about the culture around you. Bears make jokes about the forest, armadillos make jokes about the desert.
Whatâs sad is that by the time everybody really understands this joke, it wonât be funny. Sounds like just another secular version of âCrucify Himâ!
In all honesty, Iâm not sure what Wileyâs intention was with this strip â a simple joke, a metaphor, or an ideological statement. (Or all three.) Only he knows, and I doubt heâll tell usâŚI think he enjoys seeing how much dust we kick up while over-analyzing every ink stroke..But it certainly brought the anti-Catholic, anti-Christian, anti-religion folks out of the woodwork, didnât it? Iâll say only this to them: youâre mocking what youâve never even bothered to try to understand, and in the process youâre blindly flinging out half-truths and outright lies about countless good and blameless people. I harbor no illusions about convincing you to do anything else â but I do feel sorry for you. Not because youâre âgoing to Hellâ; thatâs way above my pay grade to sayâŚbut because youâre closed-minded, angry, bitter people.
I thought it was Chesterton who said that it was not possible to state something so simply that another couldnât come along and find another meaning to it, but Iâm not finding the quote..
gatocat: More accurately, to show how it can be done. An armadillo is slightly faster than a chicken, but has a defensive tactic that works great against coyotes â they wait until the last second and jump straight up. They coyote runs under them and they disappear before the coyote can turn around. Unfortunately, jumping straight up puts them at bumper height.
Ok, folksâŚthis wasnât a cartoon about Christianity or the Catholic church. It was just a simple word play gag. As for doing cartoons hitting Isalm, I have done those, many times, and hitting them a lot harder and more directly than I have ever done on the hypoicrisy of the Catholic church or Christianity
Took the âtoon as intended. Couldnât the bartender have been Andy Devine? (old westerns never die) Of course nothing defines âreligious zealotâ of ANY persuasion like a mixed drink of paranoia and hypocrisy with a twist of distortion.
Thatâs OK. You can still go to Dat Bar, and get THEM to serve you.
(Actually, lawyers are disbarred, clergy are defrocked. He might be drunk enough to do that himself, but Wiley couldnât run it in family newspapers.)
this strip has received enough complaints that the editors of the Hudson Valley Journal News printed an apology on the front e page. What is it with people? This is a thinking personâs comic, donât read it if it offends. Read the damn Bill of Rights. I just sent Mr. Wiley a letter of support, wileyink@earthlink.net.
Mr. Wiley Miller: In answer to your own question about your strip today, I see a man wearing a Catholic Bishopâs vestments with staff sitting at a bar. On the bar are five chalices, two of which are knocked over. The bartender is in the process of cutting this man off from further drinking. The scene indicates this Bishop/Cardinal/Pope(?) is drunk. Exactly what commentary do YOU see? Are you being deliberately obtuse? Please explain the innocent pun here which some of us dimwits arenât getting.If you want to poke fun at the Catholic Church, go for it. If you have no use for Christianity, thatâs your prerogative. But, at least own up to it. Just what message are you trying to convey in this strip. Please enlighten.As per your statement, âAs for doing cartoons hitting Isalm, I have done those, many times, and hitting them a lot harder and more directly than I have ever done on the hypoicrisy of the Catholic church or Christianity.â Iâve been reading your strip every day for years, and frequently enjoying it. Youâre a talented artist. But, Iâm having a real hard time recollecting ANY âhard hittingâ cartoons about Islam. Because if I had seen any, I would have gone immediately to the comments to read all the death threats. So, I challenge you: for one week, reprint six of your hardest-hitting cartoons on Islam so we can compare them to the ones on Christianity.Of course, you may have to grow some stones to do that.Thanks, and God Bless!
There are two different questions: Mocking the faith, and mocking the trappings of the faith. If you canât differentiate between the two, Iâm sorry for you. (If you cannot differentiate between the faith and the trappings of the faith, I question your understanding of the faith to begin with.)
Stupid! The pun is backwards! Divine Intervention places the bartender in the role of God and the bishop in the place of the sinner. Itâs not funny when the joke is completely backwards!
Varnes about 13 years ago
You donât have to go to church, but you canât stay hereâŚsoâŚpretzels are the bread and body of Christ? Cool. That would get me to church more. The more I think about it, behind the bar, it does look a little like an alter dedicated to boozeâŚ.
Superfrog about 13 years ago
Bishop to nights pawn one.
Commentator about 13 years ago
THE BISHOP!!!
Michael Jones about 13 years ago
The end of false religion is near! What a grand day that will be.
EDinWAState about 13 years ago
Nice metaphor Wiley. Religion is drunk on itâs self-assumed power and the people are beginning to make the rules.
rockngolfer about 13 years ago
Just like the Taliban except the Taliban donât drink.
gosfreikempe about 13 years ago
Possibly true; but this isnât the place to discuss that, please.
Plods with ...⢠about 13 years ago
So where are the vines???
LingeeWhiz about 13 years ago
Yup, cut them off!
bransom about 13 years ago
Yâall are going to hell! What a bunch of idiots!
KEA about 13 years ago
Wait⌠whatâs Santorum doing in a bar?
bransom about 13 years ago
R_Noonan: LOL! They love to mock Christianity though!
APersonOfInterest about 13 years ago
⌠bartenderâs making a sly comment about circumcision?
Sandfan about 13 years ago
I can imagine Wiley chortling and clapping his ink stained paws as he waits for todayâs comments. Well done, Sir.
mackiewhite about 13 years ago
Awesome!
rugeirn about 13 years ago
Surely thatâs only sacramental wine. No harm in that. Surely!
dfowensby about 13 years ago
drinking blood. eating bodies. christians are nasty critters.
Varnes about 13 years ago
R-noon, Brian, just shows you how much more tolerant Christion philosophy isâŚYou should be proudâŚ..
fritzoid Premium Member about 13 years ago
Were he to do a strip with a mullah, would you get the joke, or even recognize him?
Round about Halloween, Wiley did a cartoon including kids dressed as a bishop, a rabbi, and an imam, but half the audience insisted that the imam was supposed to be a Catholic monk.
You make the jokes about the culture around you. Bears make jokes about the forest, armadillos make jokes about the desert.
Airoszed about 13 years ago
I enjoy this strip every day, but this time is DESGUSTING ! ! !
LLseven about 13 years ago
Whatâs sad is that by the time everybody really understands this joke, it wonât be funny. Sounds like just another secular version of âCrucify Himâ!
Dr_Fogg about 13 years ago
the philosophies of men⌠mingled with scripture.
PShaw0423 about 13 years ago
In all honesty, Iâm not sure what Wileyâs intention was with this strip â a simple joke, a metaphor, or an ideological statement. (Or all three.) Only he knows, and I doubt heâll tell usâŚI think he enjoys seeing how much dust we kick up while over-analyzing every ink stroke..But it certainly brought the anti-Catholic, anti-Christian, anti-religion folks out of the woodwork, didnât it? Iâll say only this to them: youâre mocking what youâve never even bothered to try to understand, and in the process youâre blindly flinging out half-truths and outright lies about countless good and blameless people. I harbor no illusions about convincing you to do anything else â but I do feel sorry for you. Not because youâre âgoing to Hellâ; thatâs way above my pay grade to sayâŚbut because youâre closed-minded, angry, bitter people.
underwriter about 13 years ago
I thought it was Chesterton who said that it was not possible to state something so simply that another couldnât come along and find another meaning to it, but Iâm not finding the quote..
Potrzebie about 13 years ago
You guys realize that he has a coffee carafe in the hat for the hangover, right?!
hippogriff about 13 years ago
gatocat: More accurately, to show how it can be done. An armadillo is slightly faster than a chicken, but has a defensive tactic that works great against coyotes â they wait until the last second and jump straight up. They coyote runs under them and they disappear before the coyote can turn around. Unfortunately, jumping straight up puts them at bumper height.
Wiley creator about 13 years ago
Ok, folksâŚthis wasnât a cartoon about Christianity or the Catholic church. It was just a simple word play gag. As for doing cartoons hitting Isalm, I have done those, many times, and hitting them a lot harder and more directly than I have ever done on the hypoicrisy of the Catholic church or Christianity
Dtroutma about 13 years ago
Took the âtoon as intended. Couldnât the bartender have been Andy Devine? (old westerns never die) Of course nothing defines âreligious zealotâ of ANY persuasion like a mixed drink of paranoia and hypocrisy with a twist of distortion.
tigre1 about 13 years ago
Wiley gets it right on again.
papajuanito about 13 years ago
Good thing this has nothing to do with the faith of Islam or their would be Jihad to pay!
fritzoid Premium Member about 13 years ago
âWhat !! You are going to Dis Bar me !?â
Thatâs OK. You can still go to Dat Bar, and get THEM to serve you.
(Actually, lawyers are disbarred, clergy are defrocked. He might be drunk enough to do that himself, but Wiley couldnât run it in family newspapers.)
bmonk about 13 years ago
âDrink his blood, eat his flesh . . . vampirism and cannibalism!â
++++
That accusation has only been around about 1950 years.
jolats about 13 years ago
I look forward to your series on Islam, you courageous cartoonist, you !
bulldinky about 13 years ago
this strip has received enough complaints that the editors of the Hudson Valley Journal News printed an apology on the front e page. What is it with people? This is a thinking personâs comic, donât read it if it offends. Read the damn Bill of Rights. I just sent Mr. Wiley a letter of support, wileyink@earthlink.net.
spelvin2002 about 13 years ago
Looks to me like a simple illustrated pun. And a great one it is.
vwdualnomand about 13 years ago
philly archdioceseâŚjury selection starts today for child sex abuse.
plumbob105 about 13 years ago
Mr. Wiley Miller: In answer to your own question about your strip today, I see a man wearing a Catholic Bishopâs vestments with staff sitting at a bar. On the bar are five chalices, two of which are knocked over. The bartender is in the process of cutting this man off from further drinking. The scene indicates this Bishop/Cardinal/Pope(?) is drunk. Exactly what commentary do YOU see? Are you being deliberately obtuse? Please explain the innocent pun here which some of us dimwits arenât getting.If you want to poke fun at the Catholic Church, go for it. If you have no use for Christianity, thatâs your prerogative. But, at least own up to it. Just what message are you trying to convey in this strip. Please enlighten.As per your statement, âAs for doing cartoons hitting Isalm, I have done those, many times, and hitting them a lot harder and more directly than I have ever done on the hypoicrisy of the Catholic church or Christianity.â Iâve been reading your strip every day for years, and frequently enjoying it. Youâre a talented artist. But, Iâm having a real hard time recollecting ANY âhard hittingâ cartoons about Islam. Because if I had seen any, I would have gone immediately to the comments to read all the death threats. So, I challenge you: for one week, reprint six of your hardest-hitting cartoons on Islam so we can compare them to the ones on Christianity.Of course, you may have to grow some stones to do that.Thanks, and God Bless!
EDinWAState about 13 years ago
Hey TrustedMechanic,
Thankâs four the defence but I reely dont nead much ofit. wwh85cp just likes two pretence he/she is smartr then the rist ofus. Talk about snotty.
Itâs still a great metaphor the way I see it.
EDinWAState about 13 years ago
Methinks,
fritzoid Premium Member about 13 years ago
There are two different questions: Mocking the faith, and mocking the trappings of the faith. If you canât differentiate between the two, Iâm sorry for you. (If you cannot differentiate between the faith and the trappings of the faith, I question your understanding of the faith to begin with.)
bransom about 13 years ago
Stupid! The pun is backwards! Divine Intervention places the bartender in the role of God and the bishop in the place of the sinner. Itâs not funny when the joke is completely backwards!
Pygar about 13 years ago
De-wine interventionâŚ
sleepeeg3 about 13 years ago
@BrianBishop = divineBartender = interveningJoke = funny