Just because people learn new ideas isn’t indoctrination, it’s learning. And those people may accept some of those ideas and reject others. Which is their right. You should try it sometime.
I’m watching the flipping of educational institutions goals and purpose — I see learning facts, truth, fairness, and the exploration of knowledge being replaced with the championing of confused emotional programs, social dishonesty and lop-sided political agendas.
In the spring of 1970 at the university, I was attending students started out demonstrating demanding a black studies department. This rapidly expanded to include anti-Vietnam war demonstrations. After several days of rioting, the school canceled all classes for a while. My political science professor was arrested for inciting a riot. I did get a pass in that class though.
It must be so disheartening, to leave your tiny, insulated, insular bubble and be exposed to a larger, more inclusive world where your own narrow minded views are no longer espoused, but challenged. So sad.
Indoctrination would be home schooling where you are never exposed to anything new or different. See also, Florida – where the deception of historical omission passes for education. The Texas GOP’s platform was against teaching critical thinking skills – there’s your indoctrination. Must accept what’s handed to you and never question it, like a good little cult member.
University is not indoctrination. When I started in university, I was a devout Christian and creationist. I even expressed those beliefs to professors, including my biology professors and I was never made to feel less for them. They did not agree but they did not punish me for those beliefs in any way. My professors did not care what I believed as long as I gave the answer they were looking for on exams. As I continued my education; bachelors in biology, masters in biology, and PhD in biomedical sciences; my beliefs changed. Not because of indoctrination. But because I truly opened my mind to accept things other than what I had been indoctrinated to believe in church. I finally let myself think about evolution and creationism and what the evidence supported. I let myself think about god and whether that made sense. I was not forced to do this. I was taught how to think and question. Not what to think. When I did, I eventually left religion as it no longer made sense to me.
The only place in my life where I have had my questions turned away, where I have been told I just have to accept things whether they made sense or not, and where I was told exactly what I must believe was in church. That is where I was indoctrinated. Not in university.
I know it’s not as exciting as the “real” point of the cartoon, but here in WI, Ben Shapiro spoke at the university in Madison. Here’s the administration:
“The University of Wisconsin Madison is committed to freedom of speech and freedom of expression as an essential part of our educational mission,” Olstad said. “We are here tonight to hear the scheduled speaker speak … It is our expectation that you will allow the speaker’s presentation and subsequent question and answer exchanges to occur without disrupting.” (BadgerHerald).
Maybe that’s the norm and not the sensational headlines?
If what RWNJ types — Teitelbaum’s included — disagree with school curriculum, that curriculum is dangerous ideological indoctrination.
This point of view is not in any way in accordance with critical thinking acumen, nor an outcome of same.
But it unfortunately is a new ideological belief (based solely upon motivated reasoning) of the RWNJ Christofascist Dominion faction of the GOP, one readily useful to their propaganda purposes as a dog whistle.
It will be broadcast increasingly via various outlets for the rest of this year and, if Biden and Democrats win in 24 through to ‘28, and if the Christofascist fail to win and establish their totalitarian country in ‘28 it will continue until ‘32, and if they don’t win then until ‘36, and on and on ad infinitum until Christian theocracy is established as the permanent new form of “government” in this country.
I majored in political science with a history/English minor. Not a single professor/classroom instructor in those three departments ever stated their political preference or proffered an opinion on current events.
Only two classroom instructors I had ever brought up personal religious beliefs. A geology professor surprised me, and I think everyone else, with the ol’ “how else did Earth get here?” trope from out of nowhere in his lecture one afternoon. The philosophy department head who taught a 200 level class I took casually mentioned he was a Christian, apropos of nothing on topic in that days’ class. I never did quite grok what in particular may have stimulated that personal declaration.
kingdiamond69 about 1 year ago
As opposed to being indoctrinated into thinking slavery was a good thing and it gave black folk a hand up in life?
gordon.f.brown Premium Member about 1 year ago
Just because people learn new ideas isn’t indoctrination, it’s learning. And those people may accept some of those ideas and reject others. Which is their right. You should try it sometime.
Oh Really? about 1 year ago
I’m watching the flipping of educational institutions goals and purpose — I see learning facts, truth, fairness, and the exploration of knowledge being replaced with the championing of confused emotional programs, social dishonesty and lop-sided political agendas.
DenO Premium Member about 1 year ago
Sad, and true.
DD IN AZ Premium Member about 1 year ago
In the spring of 1970 at the university, I was attending students started out demonstrating demanding a black studies department. This rapidly expanded to include anti-Vietnam war demonstrations. After several days of rioting, the school canceled all classes for a while. My political science professor was arrested for inciting a riot. I did get a pass in that class though.
Kevin Roth Premium Member about 1 year ago
It must be so disheartening, to leave your tiny, insulated, insular bubble and be exposed to a larger, more inclusive world where your own narrow minded views are no longer espoused, but challenged. So sad.
cuzinron47 about 1 year ago
But first you have to go to the office of inoculation.
halvincobbes Premium Member about 1 year ago
Indoctrination would be home schooling where you are never exposed to anything new or different. See also, Florida – where the deception of historical omission passes for education. The Texas GOP’s platform was against teaching critical thinking skills – there’s your indoctrination. Must accept what’s handed to you and never question it, like a good little cult member.
Watchdog about 1 year ago
Missing is the reality of teaching and reasoning only predetermined ideas. Ivy League on display right now.
edge32 about 1 year ago
University is not indoctrination. When I started in university, I was a devout Christian and creationist. I even expressed those beliefs to professors, including my biology professors and I was never made to feel less for them. They did not agree but they did not punish me for those beliefs in any way. My professors did not care what I believed as long as I gave the answer they were looking for on exams. As I continued my education; bachelors in biology, masters in biology, and PhD in biomedical sciences; my beliefs changed. Not because of indoctrination. But because I truly opened my mind to accept things other than what I had been indoctrinated to believe in church. I finally let myself think about evolution and creationism and what the evidence supported. I let myself think about god and whether that made sense. I was not forced to do this. I was taught how to think and question. Not what to think. When I did, I eventually left religion as it no longer made sense to me.
The only place in my life where I have had my questions turned away, where I have been told I just have to accept things whether they made sense or not, and where I was told exactly what I must believe was in church. That is where I was indoctrinated. Not in university.
julie.mason1 Premium Member about 1 year ago
State College, Pa does not have this office. The Teitelbaums must be sniffing their ink.
Havel about 1 year ago
I know it’s not as exciting as the “real” point of the cartoon, but here in WI, Ben Shapiro spoke at the university in Madison. Here’s the administration:
“The University of Wisconsin Madison is committed to freedom of speech and freedom of expression as an essential part of our educational mission,” Olstad said. “We are here tonight to hear the scheduled speaker speak … It is our expectation that you will allow the speaker’s presentation and subsequent question and answer exchanges to occur without disrupting.” (BadgerHerald).
Maybe that’s the norm and not the sensational headlines?
lawguy05 about 1 year ago
Spot on!
gopher gofer about 1 year ago
in today’s world, it’s called “indoctrination” if what’s being taught doesn’t align with your individual point of view…
lsnrchrd.1 Premium Member about 1 year ago
If what RWNJ types — Teitelbaum’s included — disagree with school curriculum, that curriculum is dangerous ideological indoctrination.
This point of view is not in any way in accordance with critical thinking acumen, nor an outcome of same.
But it unfortunately is a new ideological belief (based solely upon motivated reasoning) of the RWNJ Christofascist Dominion faction of the GOP, one readily useful to their propaganda purposes as a dog whistle.
It will be broadcast increasingly via various outlets for the rest of this year and, if Biden and Democrats win in 24 through to ‘28, and if the Christofascist fail to win and establish their totalitarian country in ‘28 it will continue until ‘32, and if they don’t win then until ‘36, and on and on ad infinitum until Christian theocracy is established as the permanent new form of “government” in this country.
lsnrchrd.1 Premium Member about 1 year ago
I majored in political science with a history/English minor. Not a single professor/classroom instructor in those three departments ever stated their political preference or proffered an opinion on current events.
Only two classroom instructors I had ever brought up personal religious beliefs. A geology professor surprised me, and I think everyone else, with the ol’ “how else did Earth get here?” trope from out of nowhere in his lecture one afternoon. The philosophy department head who taught a 200 level class I took casually mentioned he was a Christian, apropos of nothing on topic in that days’ class. I never did quite grok what in particular may have stimulated that personal declaration.