Apparently, when it comes to money, some are corrupted more rapidly than others.
Some excellent comments by bmonk and Alain Harper last night, regarding First-Amendment freedom of speech, as it relates to censorship by GoComics of postings that they consider to be inappropriate.
By the way, each day when you read Calvin and Hobbes, I would encourage everyone to also read the comments from the end of the previous day. There are sometimes some very interesting last-minute postings, but I wonder how many people actually see them.
Yesterday, bmonk mentioned that GoComics is not a democracy, and I would add that neither are US corporations. In order to join GoComics we have to agree to play by their rules, which include some censorship. And in order to work for a US company we have to play by their rules, which do not include democracy in decision-making, or total freedom of speech.
Companies have to be able to set limits on speech by their employees, in order to ensure that their customers are treated in a civil and professional manner, since that is what their customers expect. Similarly, GoComics probably would not survive if they allowed total freedom of speech, because most of their customers come here looking for civil discourse.
Speaking from my own experience as an American, I don’t think most of us realize how often we agree to give up some of our freedoms in order to participate in something that will benefit us. Whether we are working for a company, using Facebook, downloading free software, flying on an airplane, sitting in a theater, or even testifying as a plaintiff in court, we don’t have an equal voice when it comes to setting the rules, and in some cases we are required to restrict our speech.
Nevertheless, even when we agree to participate in a particular system (again speaking from my own experience), it seems that once we are functioning within that system, we may still have a strong tendency to feel that everything should be run democratically and we should have total freedom of speech. It’s as though the desire for freedom is so deep within us, that we can never truly restrict it.
Calvin is lucky if he can buy Hobbes a can of tuna with that allowance money.BTW, pouncingtiger was right in ‘tuna’ yesterday with his radio play-on-words..
Hmmm seems dad forgot to mention to Calvin that he is expected to do some basic chores in order to ‘earn’ his new allowance. Allowances are meant to be ‘earned’…not merely to be a donation.
JoelJ, I hear you and agree the comics are grand and a relief from the demands of our lives. However, it’s fun to see all the reaction stirred up in the readers and reported in the comments also. The only comments tha do not belong are those who are attemping to sell something. All other comments have a right to be made. If they upset you, please do not read them,
IMHO, comics are supposed to be lighthearted and a method to relax from the daily grind of the day; nowhere is it written that standard comics are supposed to be another form of political satire that must conform to the ‘thought of the day’…and to govern our adherence to basic tenets such as PC meanderings.
Since young people may also be reading these cartoons, one should keep the language appropriate and not subject them to adults trying to ‘outshout’ other adults simply to prove petty points of view.
Forgive me on a short political foray…what we consider “rights” are often just choices that we have the freedom to make. Calvin demonstrates this daily, and the comments often bring an insight I hadn’t considered. Unless we are privy to the mind of the ingenious Mr. Watterson, what we speculate the comic means is our choice in belief, and I, for one, enjoy the commentary. It’s at least as newsworthy as what is happening now, and twice as interesting.
JoelJ and especially fran650 I totally agree. ” I think the reason the blog doesn’t happpen is because he fears he would be a small fish in a big pond there." Well stated.
Hi Puddleglum2, speaking of the world… it should be a centimeter and a meter. Only in the US do we cling to the archaic rural system of feet hands and stones. We cannot use prefixes or exponents and it is not divisible by 10. On the other hand… is heaven a democracy? Do we all want to get there? :)
@mightaswellbe — simple. You read a commenter once, or twice. If he/she consistantly upsets you, don’t read them anymore. Haven’t thought of a way around the trial period yet, though.
When my dad first gave me an allowance, he said I had to earn it and ended up mowing 7/8s of an acre with a push mower every week. So much for doing anything on the weekend but mow. And for 75cents.
Okay so I just added C&H about a month ago, so maybe this has been covered already. But could someone please tell me why all of these strips are repeats with a new date on them? I remember these same strips from at least 20 years ago.
Seriously??!! We are having a First amendment discussion on a comic strip site? For starters, the First Amendment absolutely does NOT say that any idiot can spout off whatever they want, where ever they want. GoComics is a business, and the comments left here reflect on them, so they can decide to delete as they wish. They don’t even have to provide a space for you to comment. If you want to rant about something, build your own website and say it there. That way, you can say what you want without someone deciding if it should be printed.
You’ve touched on the root issue — trying to get me to say only a few syllables. The blog recommendation has mainly come from 3 posters who want me to leave GoComics. Consequently, I have no reason to be influenced by them. I also will not be putting the time into a personal blog.
I am a nonconformist on this site, but then, so are you. Your humor can be quite funny at times when you aren’t being personal. The world would be a very boring place without nonconformists.
A discussion of “free speech” here might be of great interest to commenters who live in other countries. I find Mr. Hobbes a breath of reason here, and certainly don’t consider his posts a “rant” – just his thoughts on what the strip meant to him, just as all the other commenters are expressing their thoughts (and puns.)
randomdstone has the innate ability to recognize a disagreeable comment before he reads it. Unfortunately, I don’t have that blessing, so I have to rely on the source to decide which ones not to read.
I don’t read comics till late in the day but I check the comments from the day before because many of you are so witty. (That only adds about 4 hours to my computer time! :D)
kfccanada, there is actually a significant body of opinion that an allowance is an entitlement as a family member, as chores are a responsibility as a family member. Thus, tying an allowance directly to chores is not always advised. http://www.todaysparent.com/lifeasparent/article.jsp?content=20070928_145958_6064&page=2 gives an example of the argument for allowance being delinked from chores.
Oh, Calvin knows the value of money, all right! What he needs to be weaned from is his addiction to power.If he’s sounding like Daffy Duck on steroids here, that isn’t really surprising (to me at least). Both are immature ENFPs. :)
I only skimmed the majority of the comments already posted, so forgive me if someone else has already pointed this out and I realize it’s towards the end of the day so few people will see this, but the general rule of the First Amendment is “Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech”. While the interpretation of that has been broadened in some ways, the general sentiment behind it remains that the right to free speech is in regards to Governmental limitations on free speech.GoComics is a private entity and not a law maker. It (and other privately run websites and businesses) is free to censor speech on its site without it infringing on anyone’s Constitutional rights. And Americans have the freedom to choose whether we want to be members of the site or to be customers at a business, etc. where our words might be censored by these private entities. Ain’t freedom grand?
Thanks, Alain. Since the avatars are very small, the sword in yours could also be mistaken for a knife in your back. Perhaps it’s a very versatile avatar that could function as either one, depending on what you have just said to someone. :>)
I’m not even sure why my comments today were labeled as “political,” since they weren’t intended to be. But anything that somehow touches a political nerve with someone, even accidentally, can easily be called a “rant,” since the terms “political” and “rant” are so often used together. Nevertheless, whenever someone dislikes what I have written, it means that they have at least read it. This is a very interesting site, because we all learn a lot about other people, and at least a little bit about ourselves.
Night-Gaunt49: Maybe it’s our own fault, because of our affluence? Perhaps as we the people have become more greedy, companies have begun to look more and more like us? Hmmm……..greed……. just like Calvin in today’s strip. See how neatly everything relates?
Thanks, Gweedo, but fortunately we have censors (or did I already mention that today?) Your avatar makes me think that I would be even happier and luckier if I were in Colorado right now like you. Had two wonderful vacations there in the past. (Let’s see…. both Calvin and Colorado begin with the letter “C”…. yep, still on topic.)
@Poindexter,Heaven is not a democracy in that God is in charge, but since everyone there willingly obeys God and is blissful doing it, in effect, it’s somewhat like a democracy in that respect.Not everyone desires to go to heaven or hell. Many would desire other options, but there are none. Heaven would be unbearable torment for the eternally unrepentant unbeliever (in the presence of a/the holy, righteous God), but hell is torment because we are made for God and should desire Him. “Ay, there’s the rub!”
margueritem over 13 years ago
It’s tough to win with Calvin.
Hobbes Premium Member over 13 years ago
Apparently, when it comes to money, some are corrupted more rapidly than others.
Some excellent comments by bmonk and Alain Harper last night, regarding First-Amendment freedom of speech, as it relates to censorship by GoComics of postings that they consider to be inappropriate.
By the way, each day when you read Calvin and Hobbes, I would encourage everyone to also read the comments from the end of the previous day. There are sometimes some very interesting last-minute postings, but I wonder how many people actually see them.
comicgos over 13 years ago
There is a devil somewhere in that little kid!
pouncingtiger over 13 years ago
Calvin is going to be a politician when/if he grows up.
moronbis over 13 years ago
One of my many favourites.
rentier over 13 years ago
Oh, no, Dad!!
yyyguy over 13 years ago
generally, the end of the day is when i get here.
Hobbes Premium Member over 13 years ago
Yesterday, bmonk mentioned that GoComics is not a democracy, and I would add that neither are US corporations. In order to join GoComics we have to agree to play by their rules, which include some censorship. And in order to work for a US company we have to play by their rules, which do not include democracy in decision-making, or total freedom of speech.
Companies have to be able to set limits on speech by their employees, in order to ensure that their customers are treated in a civil and professional manner, since that is what their customers expect. Similarly, GoComics probably would not survive if they allowed total freedom of speech, because most of their customers come here looking for civil discourse.
Speaking from my own experience as an American, I don’t think most of us realize how often we agree to give up some of our freedoms in order to participate in something that will benefit us. Whether we are working for a company, using Facebook, downloading free software, flying on an airplane, sitting in a theater, or even testifying as a plaintiff in court, we don’t have an equal voice when it comes to setting the rules, and in some cases we are required to restrict our speech.
Nevertheless, even when we agree to participate in a particular system (again speaking from my own experience), it seems that once we are functioning within that system, we may still have a strong tendency to feel that everything should be run democratically and we should have total freedom of speech. It’s as though the desire for freedom is so deep within us, that we can never truly restrict it.
Puddleglum2 over 13 years ago
Give Calvin an allowance (an inch) and he’ll take the world (a mile)!
Puddleglum2 over 13 years ago
“The LOVE of (lust for) money is the root of all (kinds of) evil:”I Timothy 6:10a
Puddleglum2 over 13 years ago
Calvin learns something about the value of money when he ‘tries to buy off’ Moe with his allowance that Moe extorts from him.
Puddleglum2 over 13 years ago
Calvin is lucky if he can buy Hobbes a can of tuna with that allowance money.BTW, pouncingtiger was right in ‘tuna’ yesterday with his radio play-on-words..
Elaine Rosco Premium Member over 13 years ago
Love that evil face…lol
kfccanada over 13 years ago
Hmmm seems dad forgot to mention to Calvin that he is expected to do some basic chores in order to ‘earn’ his new allowance. Allowances are meant to be ‘earned’…not merely to be a donation.
ransomdstone over 13 years ago
JoelJ, I hear you and agree the comics are grand and a relief from the demands of our lives. However, it’s fun to see all the reaction stirred up in the readers and reported in the comments also. The only comments tha do not belong are those who are attemping to sell something. All other comments have a right to be made. If they upset you, please do not read them,
kfccanada over 13 years ago
IMHO, comics are supposed to be lighthearted and a method to relax from the daily grind of the day; nowhere is it written that standard comics are supposed to be another form of political satire that must conform to the ‘thought of the day’…and to govern our adherence to basic tenets such as PC meanderings.
Since young people may also be reading these cartoons, one should keep the language appropriate and not subject them to adults trying to ‘outshout’ other adults simply to prove petty points of view.
GROG Premium Member over 13 years ago
We’ll see how much power & prestige it buys you, Calvin
Good Morning, Marg, Mike & ♠Lonewolf♠!
brikstu over 13 years ago
I swear, Bill Watterson watched me grow up. I too, thought I was a bizillionaire when I first got an allowance, although I did work to earn it!
Destiny23 over 13 years ago
Think you’d better start the allowance at 1 cent a week and see how he handles it!
larney45 over 13 years ago
Forgive me on a short political foray…what we consider “rights” are often just choices that we have the freedom to make. Calvin demonstrates this daily, and the comments often bring an insight I hadn’t considered. Unless we are privy to the mind of the ingenious Mr. Watterson, what we speculate the comic means is our choice in belief, and I, for one, enjoy the commentary. It’s at least as newsworthy as what is happening now, and twice as interesting.
Mac6622 Premium Member over 13 years ago
JoelJ and especially fran650 I totally agree. ” I think the reason the blog doesn’t happpen is because he fears he would be a small fish in a big pond there." Well stated.
JTGAM over 13 years ago
Hi Puddleglum2, speaking of the world… it should be a centimeter and a meter. Only in the US do we cling to the archaic rural system of feet hands and stones. We cannot use prefixes or exponents and it is not divisible by 10. On the other hand… is heaven a democracy? Do we all want to get there? :)
midiranger over 13 years ago
@mightaswellbe — simple. You read a commenter once, or twice. If he/she consistantly upsets you, don’t read them anymore. Haven’t thought of a way around the trial period yet, though.
shastrinick over 13 years ago
CAlvin shouldn’t rejoice, he’s just gonna get bullied more at school.
Malcolm Hall over 13 years ago
I find the comments at the end of the strip of the previous day generally inane.
Cuddleman over 13 years ago
When my dad first gave me an allowance, he said I had to earn it and ended up mowing 7/8s of an acre with a push mower every week. So much for doing anything on the weekend but mow. And for 75cents.
Rich C. Premium Member over 13 years ago
Okay so I just added C&H about a month ago, so maybe this has been covered already. But could someone please tell me why all of these strips are repeats with a new date on them? I remember these same strips from at least 20 years ago.
witewater over 13 years ago
I guess it’s just me and my simplistic view of the world…. I read this strip and thought that Sarcastic Calvin was just making fun of his Dad……
MikeRE7 over 13 years ago
Seriously??!! We are having a First amendment discussion on a comic strip site? For starters, the First Amendment absolutely does NOT say that any idiot can spout off whatever they want, where ever they want. GoComics is a business, and the comments left here reflect on them, so they can decide to delete as they wish. They don’t even have to provide a space for you to comment. If you want to rant about something, build your own website and say it there. That way, you can say what you want without someone deciding if it should be printed.
Number Three over 13 years ago
You sure did Mister.
LOL LOL xxx
Hobbes Premium Member over 13 years ago
You’ve touched on the root issue — trying to get me to say only a few syllables. The blog recommendation has mainly come from 3 posters who want me to leave GoComics. Consequently, I have no reason to be influenced by them. I also will not be putting the time into a personal blog.
I am a nonconformist on this site, but then, so are you. Your humor can be quite funny at times when you aren’t being personal. The world would be a very boring place without nonconformists.
tegm over 13 years ago
No, it’s good he’s reacting this way. Then later he’ll see how that attitude doesn’t work from experience.
adubman over 13 years ago
Spoken like a future hedge fund manager!
khpage over 13 years ago
Off to the casino, Calvin…..
Mythreesons over 13 years ago
A discussion of “free speech” here might be of great interest to commenters who live in other countries. I find Mr. Hobbes a breath of reason here, and certainly don’t consider his posts a “rant” – just his thoughts on what the strip meant to him, just as all the other commenters are expressing their thoughts (and puns.)
Hobbes Premium Member over 13 years ago
Thanks for the classy reply. :>)
gofinsc over 13 years ago
randomdstone has the innate ability to recognize a disagreeable comment before he reads it. Unfortunately, I don’t have that blessing, so I have to rely on the source to decide which ones not to read.
mac47 over 13 years ago
Calvin will have a good career in politics.
Phapada over 13 years ago
MY BOY.. YOU ’RE RICH HAHAHA SHEAR ME TOO O.KAY
Gretchen's Mom over 13 years ago
And so begins Calvin’s life-long love of money, greed and power! Now look what you’ve started, dad!
Hobbes Premium Member over 13 years ago
Thanks, GretchensMom. Hobbes’s expression in my avatar very often matches my own.
lin4869 over 13 years ago
I don’t read comics till late in the day but I check the comments from the day before because many of you are so witty. (That only adds about 4 hours to my computer time! :D)
bookwyrm_com over 13 years ago
kfccanada, there is actually a significant body of opinion that an allowance is an entitlement as a family member, as chores are a responsibility as a family member. Thus, tying an allowance directly to chores is not always advised. http://www.todaysparent.com/lifeasparent/article.jsp?content=20070928_145958_6064&page=2 gives an example of the argument for allowance being delinked from chores.
COWBOY7 over 13 years ago
Calvin, when it comes to money, you’re never rich enough. And it can’t buy true friendship.
Rakkav over 13 years ago
Oh, Calvin knows the value of money, all right! What he needs to be weaned from is his addiction to power.If he’s sounding like Daffy Duck on steroids here, that isn’t really surprising (to me at least). Both are immature ENFPs. :)
Tigerkid over 13 years ago
I only skimmed the majority of the comments already posted, so forgive me if someone else has already pointed this out and I realize it’s towards the end of the day so few people will see this, but the general rule of the First Amendment is “Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech”. While the interpretation of that has been broadened in some ways, the general sentiment behind it remains that the right to free speech is in regards to Governmental limitations on free speech.GoComics is a private entity and not a law maker. It (and other privately run websites and businesses) is free to censor speech on its site without it infringing on anyone’s Constitutional rights. And Americans have the freedom to choose whether we want to be members of the site or to be customers at a business, etc. where our words might be censored by these private entities. Ain’t freedom grand?
Hobbes Premium Member over 13 years ago
Thanks, Alain. Since the avatars are very small, the sword in yours could also be mistaken for a knife in your back. Perhaps it’s a very versatile avatar that could function as either one, depending on what you have just said to someone. :>)
I’m not even sure why my comments today were labeled as “political,” since they weren’t intended to be. But anything that somehow touches a political nerve with someone, even accidentally, can easily be called a “rant,” since the terms “political” and “rant” are so often used together. Nevertheless, whenever someone dislikes what I have written, it means that they have at least read it. This is a very interesting site, because we all learn a lot about other people, and at least a little bit about ourselves.
bluegirl285 over 13 years ago
“I blew it again, dear!”Yes you did, dad.
Hobbes Premium Member over 13 years ago
Night-Gaunt49: Maybe it’s our own fault, because of our affluence? Perhaps as we the people have become more greedy, companies have begun to look more and more like us? Hmmm……..greed……. just like Calvin in today’s strip. See how neatly everything relates?
Hobbes Premium Member over 13 years ago
Thanks, Gweedo, but fortunately we have censors (or did I already mention that today?) Your avatar makes me think that I would be even happier and luckier if I were in Colorado right now like you. Had two wonderful vacations there in the past. (Let’s see…. both Calvin and Colorado begin with the letter “C”…. yep, still on topic.)
Puddleglum2 over 13 years ago
@Poindexter,Heaven is not a democracy in that God is in charge, but since everyone there willingly obeys God and is blissful doing it, in effect, it’s somewhat like a democracy in that respect.Not everyone desires to go to heaven or hell. Many would desire other options, but there are none. Heaven would be unbearable torment for the eternally unrepentant unbeliever (in the presence of a/the holy, righteous God), but hell is torment because we are made for God and should desire Him. “Ay, there’s the rub!”
photogirl800mm over 13 years ago
Agreed :)
Mister-Edd over 13 years ago
I think this comic is a bit sick, but I am including it for completeness.
nibor6 over 13 years ago
I know Exactly how Calvin felt, having suffered the same, last time I thought I’d won lotto.
fmasroor over 13 years ago
Ooh! What dirty scheme will Calvin think of this time?
CAT EMPIRE LEADER over 3 years ago
I Have Two Dimes So HA!