I knew this would happen! I tried to warn people during the election but nooooo….. I was told I was a doom-and-gloom nay-sayer… Well I shall simply bask in my little “I told you so” bubble!
Pab, the WSJ article I just read said:
Rev. Gene Robinson, the first openly gay bishop in the Episcopal Church and a vocal gay rights leader, delivered an opening invocation.
I’m not sure this is going to happen, but I wouldn’t be surprised. Everyone’s chirping about what a “pragmatist” he is, and his opposition to Prop. 8 was muted, at best.
I’m with doctortoon. I’m actually a small c conservative, but I don’t trust any of them. I find the elections lately are no longer about choosing the lesser of the evils, but more of choosing the evil of the lessers.
motivemagus: Not so much “promises” in my case, but his actions. Rick Warren getting a prime speaking spot while the transition team specifically told HBO NOT to show Bishop Robinson; naming Tim Kaine, who campaigned for office specifically on a promise of blocking gay marriage rights, as head of the DNC, and not considering gays for his cabinet.
We’ll see if he gives anything more than lip service to his pledges on DOMA and Don’t Ask Don’t Tell.
I’m totally neutral on this. But Pabs has a point. Regardless of what promises are kept or broken,as long as we can see an overall improvement towards anything, be it health care, the economy, whatever. The problem is that the CIC is not the law maker. That goes to Congress…ultimately.
auricle - does the term “token” mean anything to you? Personally I’d like to give Obama a chance to at least seem to try to fulfill his campaign promises, but some of us have been thrown under the bus enough times to see when it’s probably going to happen again. SIGH
Subtorp401 - You’re absolutely right, but Mr. Obama is certainly a good enough “salesman” that he can make it quite obvious when Congress is working against the will of the people… if he wants to. If he rants and raves and then signs a bad bill anyhow, instead of risking having his veto overturned, then all his complaints are just so much play-acting, and we’ve had enough of that from BOTH parties to last all of us our lifetimes.
When Republicans take office, they surround themselves with conservatives, and they cater to the people who voted for them. When Democrats get elected, they charge to the center and play to the folks on the right who wouldn’t vote for Jesus if he was (D) Bethlehem.
Dutchboy1 :
Well now, aren’t I confused! How does one “vote for Jesus” by not voting for Mr. McCain or Mr. Obama?
I could be profoundly wrong, but it seems to me, that the “Son of Man” was about change and making a better world. Both Mr. McCain and Mr. Obama state that such was their goal. Enlighten me please. Mrs. Tubbsbottl awaiting your kind response, holds her tongue.
stpatme over 15 years ago
I beg your pardon?
wndrwrthg over 15 years ago
I never knew he was a republican.
c00k13m0n5t3r over 15 years ago
At least he know how to use single-issue pressure groups properly…unlike the republicans…
KingRat over 15 years ago
d@mn Pab I had you figured for a non-puritanical non-republican nice to see I might have been non-wrong maybe.
Hugh B. Hayve over 15 years ago
You don’t have to be political to know that politicians say anything to get elected. Once that happens all bets are off.
kolling over 15 years ago
As a liberal Democrat, I am watching the promises Obama made during the campaign disappear over the horizon. Not a happy camper.
ChiehHsia over 15 years ago
Hugh and kolling - sure looks that way, doesn’t it?
damn.
Well, if that’s really how it turns out, re-election might be just a little bit tough.
Pab Sungenis creator over 15 years ago
For the record, I am not a puritan. I’m a gay, progressive Democrat, and I hate the way Obama has treated us during the transition.
We’ll see how he does over the next four years,.
ana_demeter over 15 years ago
I knew this would happen! I tried to warn people during the election but nooooo….. I was told I was a doom-and-gloom nay-sayer… Well I shall simply bask in my little “I told you so” bubble!
steverinoCT over 15 years ago
Read Digby to keep current: http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/
Keep the heat on to force him to go the way he wants to go.
“I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it.” –Franklin D. Roosevelt Comment to a group of reformers.
auricle over 15 years ago
Pab, the WSJ article I just read said: Rev. Gene Robinson, the first openly gay bishop in the Episcopal Church and a vocal gay rights leader, delivered an opening invocation.
This is a good thing for you, right?
bt over 15 years ago
I’m not sure this is going to happen, but I wouldn’t be surprised. Everyone’s chirping about what a “pragmatist” he is, and his opposition to Prop. 8 was muted, at best.
Digital Frog over 15 years ago
I’m with doctortoon. I’m actually a small c conservative, but I don’t trust any of them. I find the elections lately are no longer about choosing the lesser of the evils, but more of choosing the evil of the lessers.
Motivemagus over 15 years ago
Hello? He hasn’t even taken office yet, how can he not fulfill promises!
Pab Sungenis creator over 15 years ago
motivemagus: Not so much “promises” in my case, but his actions. Rick Warren getting a prime speaking spot while the transition team specifically told HBO NOT to show Bishop Robinson; naming Tim Kaine, who campaigned for office specifically on a promise of blocking gay marriage rights, as head of the DNC, and not considering gays for his cabinet.
We’ll see if he gives anything more than lip service to his pledges on DOMA and Don’t Ask Don’t Tell.
ChiehHsia over 15 years ago
Something in my mind also keeps pulling up Orwell’s “Animal Farm” when I hear the words “politicians” and “reform” used in the same sentence.
Subtorp401 over 15 years ago
I’m totally neutral on this. But Pabs has a point. Regardless of what promises are kept or broken,as long as we can see an overall improvement towards anything, be it health care, the economy, whatever. The problem is that the CIC is not the law maker. That goes to Congress…ultimately.
ChiehHsia over 15 years ago
auricle - does the term “token” mean anything to you? Personally I’d like to give Obama a chance to at least seem to try to fulfill his campaign promises, but some of us have been thrown under the bus enough times to see when it’s probably going to happen again. SIGH
ChiehHsia over 15 years ago
Subtorp401 - You’re absolutely right, but Mr. Obama is certainly a good enough “salesman” that he can make it quite obvious when Congress is working against the will of the people… if he wants to. If he rants and raves and then signs a bad bill anyhow, instead of risking having his veto overturned, then all his complaints are just so much play-acting, and we’ve had enough of that from BOTH parties to last all of us our lifetimes.
Oskar_Kennedy over 15 years ago
When Republicans take office, they surround themselves with conservatives, and they cater to the people who voted for them. When Democrats get elected, they charge to the center and play to the folks on the right who wouldn’t vote for Jesus if he was (D) Bethlehem.
Dutchboy1 over 15 years ago
Hey Oskar Kennedy, I did vote for Jesus by not voting for those other guys.
ChiehHsia over 15 years ago
Ah well… if they’re right about 2012, then maybe “finita é commedia” anyhow.
gigabyte03 over 15 years ago
Dutchboy1 : Well now, aren’t I confused! How does one “vote for Jesus” by not voting for Mr. McCain or Mr. Obama? I could be profoundly wrong, but it seems to me, that the “Son of Man” was about change and making a better world. Both Mr. McCain and Mr. Obama state that such was their goal. Enlighten me please. Mrs. Tubbsbottl awaiting your kind response, holds her tongue.
nz4m60 over 15 years ago
BOO!
AL154 over 15 years ago
Watch out Rosa Parks-you’re next!