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No need for hundreds of dollars to start up - easy to get second-hand stuff. Itās when the kids grow up that it becomes expensive. Worth it, though.
HectorPriam - well your tax dollars pay off when you get old and need a younger generation to keep up the nation so you can enjoy your otium - get food to eat and suchā¦
Yes yāall, I finally got my X to allow me to (ā¦ ) stop having children after we had 4. and Joe - the book title was probably derived from a line in the old song from the twenties āAināt We Got Funā it went āā¦the rich get richer and the poor get childrenā;-)
We only have two children, but I have friends with large families. I have nothing against large families IF the parents, and not the taxpayers support them. Especially if the parents are training their children to be self-sufficient, upstanding adults. (Which happens to be the case in the large families I know personally). I do have a problem with people having kids outside of wedlock, expect the government to support and raise the kids, and then what is primarily accomplished is to increase the welfare rolls and prison populations.
Thatās what I donāt get. I have 5 children and have never recieved or even applied for taxpayer aide. If you canāt afford it, donāt do it!
The sad thing is, the amount of aide weād qualify for if we wanted it. Free school lunchesā¦ give me a break. How hard is it to make a sandwich and toss in an apple for your kid? Itās not about who needs it, itās about whoās too lazy to work for anything.
The cost isnāt so much in money paid out. Itās in time, sleep, and in lost wages, promotions, and retirement benefits for whoever cares for the baby. e.g., the lyrics to a song by Mary Chapin Carpenter, āFor fifteen years she had a job and not one raise in pay/ Now sheās in the typing pool at minimum wage.ā That song used to send me back to my professional studies vowing, āNot me! Iāve met too many women in my own family who were miserable in that very scenarioāat the least, I should be able to find some newly charted, progressive, and creative version of misery!āā
āThe powers that beā let us think we have made āchoicesā about our lives and opportunities, but thatās not really true, except for the āchoiceā to try to survive financially.
Somebody has to earn the money, and somebody has to care for the kids. Weād probably all be better off if we were flexible about who does what, gave massive tax breaks and benefits to stay-at-home parents, and respected stay-at-home Dads.
(My own dad, a musician, was one for a whileāthatās probably why I turned out to be such a smartnoseā¦. āOK Daddy, Iāll sit through ONE chapter on DNA in exchange for TWO chapters of āThe Witch of Blackbird Pondāā¦ā)
hildigunnurr Premium Member about 15 years ago
No need for hundreds of dollars to start up - easy to get second-hand stuff. Itās when the kids grow up that it becomes expensive. Worth it, though.
HectorPriam - well your tax dollars pay off when you get old and need a younger generation to keep up the nation so you can enjoy your otium - get food to eat and suchā¦
arsmall about 15 years ago
ā¦so true Paulā¦its funny, animals know when to stop having offspring, but we humansā¦wellā¦
vldazzle about 15 years ago
Yes yāall, I finally got my X to allow me to (ā¦ ) stop having children after we had 4. and Joe - the book title was probably derived from a line in the old song from the twenties āAināt We Got Funā it went āā¦the rich get richer and the poor get childrenā;-)
Smiley Rmom about 15 years ago
We only have two children, but I have friends with large families. I have nothing against large families IF the parents, and not the taxpayers support them. Especially if the parents are training their children to be self-sufficient, upstanding adults. (Which happens to be the case in the large families I know personally). I do have a problem with people having kids outside of wedlock, expect the government to support and raise the kids, and then what is primarily accomplished is to increase the welfare rolls and prison populations.
N.D.Pendent about 15 years ago
Hell, I canāt afford any more children, of course that wonāt stop those on welfare from having them
grim509 about 15 years ago
Thatās what I donāt get. I have 5 children and have never recieved or even applied for taxpayer aide. If you canāt afford it, donāt do it!
The sad thing is, the amount of aide weād qualify for if we wanted it. Free school lunchesā¦ give me a break. How hard is it to make a sandwich and toss in an apple for your kid? Itās not about who needs it, itās about whoās too lazy to work for anything.
forgiveness about 15 years ago
isnāt that the truth.
PhyllisFinchley about 15 years ago
The cost isnāt so much in money paid out. Itās in time, sleep, and in lost wages, promotions, and retirement benefits for whoever cares for the baby. e.g., the lyrics to a song by Mary Chapin Carpenter, āFor fifteen years she had a job and not one raise in pay/ Now sheās in the typing pool at minimum wage.ā That song used to send me back to my professional studies vowing, āNot me! Iāve met too many women in my own family who were miserable in that very scenarioāat the least, I should be able to find some newly charted, progressive, and creative version of misery!āā
āThe powers that beā let us think we have made āchoicesā about our lives and opportunities, but thatās not really true, except for the āchoiceā to try to survive financially.
Somebody has to earn the money, and somebody has to care for the kids. Weād probably all be better off if we were flexible about who does what, gave massive tax breaks and benefits to stay-at-home parents, and respected stay-at-home Dads.
(My own dad, a musician, was one for a whileāthatās probably why I turned out to be such a smartnoseā¦. āOK Daddy, Iāll sit through ONE chapter on DNA in exchange for TWO chapters of āThe Witch of Blackbird Pondāā¦ā)
culprit Premium Member about 15 years ago
Thank heavens for little books! And children no matter who has them. As long as someone cares ! (for/with them)