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Religion has actually convinced people that thereās an invisible man ā living in the sky ā who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do.. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever ātil the end of time! ..But He loves you.
written by George Carlin
Yeah, itās funny what conclusions people can jump to when they only pay attention to 0.1% of the Bible without reading the rest. Canāt be helped that they have no attention span.
Oh Calvin, you are adorable, but Iām glad Iāve got girls and no boys. My girls are terrified of creepy crawly things. The down side to that is that they make me catch (or kill) the intruders. I once put playtex gloves on to grab a lizard. It was still really nasty.
si_rat, at least understand the claims you wish to ridicule. The 10 commandments you refer to were part of a contract between God and Israel. If they kept them (and all the other laws), they would have material prosperity, freedom from disease, and victory over enemies. If they failed to keep them, they would have famine, plague, and subjugation to the surrounding nations. Nothing about hell fire. (and of course, you can guess the outcome given human nature in general.)
For hell-fire, you need to move to the new Testament where Jesus explains that the Law was an introduction to righteousness for beginners. āThe law says ādo not murderā, but I say if you hate your brother, you have committed murder in your heart. The law says ādo not commit adulteryā, but I say if a man looks upon a woman to lust after her, he has committed adultery in his heart.ā
Lack of true righteousness is what leads to the misery and despair of āthe trash heap out backā. āExcept your righteousness exceed that of the Scribes and Pharisees, you shall not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.ā
HAD to come over here right away just glanced.
Will read comments after I post this link!
you might already seen. LOLOLOLOOL
Reality Check 1.26.09
http://comics.com/affiliate/seattle/?ComicID=73
āwhatās the matter? Donāt you trust your own kid?ā Pretty well says it all Calvin. Dad doesnāt have to close his eyes, in pane 3 they are rolled back to his brain! LOL
doctortoon says:
si_rat - Youāre a day late. The religious discussion was yesterday.
However, Dad doesnāt seem to have much āfaithā in Calvin to give him a nice surprise, does he?
I think Calvin had a frog. I donāt know why I thought that, but it was the first thing in my mind! LOL. Dad almost ate something! Good thing it got away! ;)
I wish that the Secularists and the Religionists would just shut up.
Calvin and Hobbes is a comic strip; why not enjoy it and keep your beliefs to yourselves. There are plenty of other public forums where your arguments would be welcomed.
there are some way deep discussions on this page. what the heck happend to good ol calvin and hobbesā¦ and Staurt Gathman dudeā¦ woahā¦ just wow. Isnt there another place to discuss all this????
why does si-rat read calvin and hobbes just to slam God? its a COMIC STRIP! God isnāt an angry old guy waiting to smite us. murder isnāt wrong because the commandments say so, but they say so because it is wrong. God doesnāt tempt us to break his commandments so we can burn. we werenāt even created with a desire to sin. God sent Christ to the cross becuase his standard for getting into heaven is perfection, which none of us have. That is what christianity is. look up the āromans roadā youāll see what I mean.
The truly sad thing about all the religious / non religious folks out there is that they all use their so-called ābeliefsā as an excuse for their behaviours and blame others beliefs for all their lifeās shortfalls. The only entity responsible for what happens in your life is YOU. YOU make good things happen, not some almighty irreverent being. YOU make bad things happen, not some random Omnipotent entity. I find it impossible to comprehend that in this dayās society there are so many people with such weak minds. Your ancestors must have been the ones who believed the sky would fall, the earth was flat and that persecution in the name of religion was justifiable. There is no difference between one fanatic crying āoh Allahā and another crying ālord Jesusā. Youāre all gullible fools without the ability to make your own conclusions. Now if you could all please just go away and let the rest of us enjoy the comix in peace it would be much appreciated.
I see nothing in todayās strip that should have started another argument about matters of faith. But since it was brought up I will say I agree with Stuart Gathman and leave it at that.
Thank you, Macushlalondra. and Elwoodman, Jesus is not Muhammad. Muhammad was a killer who taught people to convert and kill those who wonāt. Jesus never killed anyone but was crucified for teaching the way to heaven, forgiving the people who killed him. Islam is a religion like every other beleif out there saying work to get to heaven.
A question for all of you. Which place would you like to go after death (assuming ofcourse that heaven and hell exist)?
Methinks hell would be fun. Imagine sneaking out for a day from hell (past those guards and dogs) and having a great time at heaven. The next day you would get double the fire, but well, you would still be the hero in hell. You will have fun stories to tell. Heaven seems a tad boring that way.
How did āOpen your mouth and close your eyes, and you will get a big surpriseā turn into a religious discussion???
Anyway since itās happening already, in answer to attyush, Iād want to go wherever the dogs go when they go to the Big Kennel In The Sky. The afterlife would be miserable without dogs!! Assuming one believes in the afterlife as opposted to, say, reincarnation.
@ Si_rat: The idea of a God who tortures people in hell fire for eternity but who is supposedly a God of love is repulsive and disgusting. Thatās why I donāt believe it. Hell will not last forever, rather the unholy will be burned as brush is burned, and be gone (see Matt. 3:7-10, 13:24-30. My God IS a god of love, not a bleeep. And the fire that will occur is not āpunishmentā, death is the natural result of separation from God. Also, a person who follows the āset of ten rulesā is not guaranteed to get into heaven. The commandments are designed to make us the healthiest, happiest people we can be, but they are not what counts. What counts is having a personal relationship with Christ, and perhaps obedience to the commandments will follow.
@ Stuart Gathman: I believe your view of God is somewhat distorted. You make him out to be not only a bleeep, but a megalomaniac as well.
@doctortoon, correct, but no matter how out of context, a good debate SHOULD BE FOLLOWED UP.
back to Calvin, I wonder what āitā was? a fly? a bee? (I know, you say heād get stung, but small children like Calvin often have a strange ability not to. My little brother routinely handles hornets without harm. Freaks me out), or something worse?
@ concerned_human: politicians.. yuck. I think you have been influenced rather strongly by their interpretation of the Bible. Politicians were hated just as much back then as now. In Matthew 22;21 where it says to ārender unto Ceasar what is Ceasarāsā I believe the emphasis is on the unimportance of money, itās just a symbol Caesar made for himself. In Matthew 17:25-27, the implication would be that paying taxes is unnecessary (the sons are free vs. 26). āNevertheless, lest we offend themā¦ā It is the act of offending that Christ is worried about, paying taxes is not espoused as some holy act.
Wow. Clearly Iām not the only one who enjoys these debates. Iād like to propose finding another place where we could have forums for religious debates prompted by our daily comics. That way, one comment on the comic page could lead to the debate for those who are interested and be skipped by those who arenāt. Problem is, I donāt know of a good place to suggest. Any ideas?
astonishing how one simple reference to purgatory could prompt two days of religious gibberish and debate. You people need to get a LIFE. This is a COMIC. Itās meant to be FUNNY. No one gives a bleeep about your spiritual beliefs and religious debates. Have a laugh, and MOVE ON. God is dead. Long live Hobbes!!
There are thousands upon thousands of forums for religious debate. We should leave this one to enjoying the simply complex humor of a comic mastermind.
funny one. i would not have opened my mouth in the first place, but that is just me. where is Hobbes in all this?? i bet calvin would have blamed it on hobbes if he managed to get whatever it was into dads mouth. lol
It is always enjoyable and enlightening to see all of the ānon-believersā whine and cry about ā¦ nothing! I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that unless you repent and believe you will be judged for your sin. BUT you say that He does not even exist and that I believe in nothing. I understand why I get worked up about the subject, but I am amazed at how worked up atheists get over what they believe does not exist.
And certainly before some brilliant philosopher decides to claim that they are against religion because of the harm it causes, history indicates that more people have been killed thanks to atheistic philosophies.
Why yes, I am sacred, but I used to be a foolish atheist. I did have the sense to convert to agnosticism first though, realizing that a rational person understands he cannot disprove the existence of God.
Ah, my dear rat-a-roni, if one is interested in a rational discussion one CAN indeed prove that God must exist. Class is in session at http://www.ligonier.org/ under the Video section starting on January 15th. The only rational conclusion is that it is irrational to NOT believe in God.
I decided a week ago that Iām grouping God in with Ghosts, Goblins, and the Bogeyman. Something written 4000 or 2000 years ago by people who donāt speak or write in the same language as us does not deserve to be the sole reason for 30% of the world to get up in the morning. I forget who said it, but the way you live your life is your choice, make it because itās the right choice, not the one you āshouldā make.
Yukoner about 16 years ago
Way to go Calvin. Build Dadās trust!
margueritem about 16 years ago
I wouldnāt trust you either, Calvin
si_rat about 16 years ago
Religion has actually convinced people that thereās an invisible man ā living in the sky ā who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do.. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever ātil the end of time! ..But He loves you. written by George Carlin
wndrwrthg about 16 years ago
Wise to your ways he is, oh grasshopper.
SaintRCat about 16 years ago
@si_rat
Yeah, itās funny what conclusions people can jump to when they only pay attention to 0.1% of the Bible without reading the rest. Canāt be helped that they have no attention span.
R.Khalife about 16 years ago
i wouldnt trust him either..wonder what it was tho..
JerryGorton about 16 years ago
Did this suggest a bible lesson?
rentier about 16 years ago
Grasshopper, maybug, cockroach or worm.
Elyseettinger about 16 years ago
maybugās have more resistance to radiation than cockroaches but look at dadās face in the last panel!
carmy about 16 years ago
Oh Calvin, you are adorable, but Iām glad Iāve got girls and no boys. My girls are terrified of creepy crawly things. The down side to that is that they make me catch (or kill) the intruders. I once put playtex gloves on to grab a lizard. It was still really nasty.
Unclebup about 16 years ago
Iām goign to try that on a few folks in the office todayā¦ āOpen your mouth and close your eyes, and Iāll give you a big surprise!ā
DesultoryPhillipic about 16 years ago
Even money George Carlin changed his mind on the last day of his life. Most sane people do.
rentier about 16 years ago
Dad looks a little bit sad in the last picture. He had not expect, his son would do such a joke to him!
Cornelius16 about 16 years ago
the sad thing with surprises is that, sometime we end up surprising ourselves instead of others.
stuart about 16 years ago
si_rat, at least understand the claims you wish to ridicule. The 10 commandments you refer to were part of a contract between God and Israel. If they kept them (and all the other laws), they would have material prosperity, freedom from disease, and victory over enemies. If they failed to keep them, they would have famine, plague, and subjugation to the surrounding nations. Nothing about hell fire. (and of course, you can guess the outcome given human nature in general.)
For hell-fire, you need to move to the new Testament where Jesus explains that the Law was an introduction to righteousness for beginners. āThe law says ādo not murderā, but I say if you hate your brother, you have committed murder in your heart. The law says ādo not commit adulteryā, but I say if a man looks upon a woman to lust after her, he has committed adultery in his heart.ā
Lack of true righteousness is what leads to the misery and despair of āthe trash heap out backā. āExcept your righteousness exceed that of the Scribes and Pharisees, you shall not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.ā
BRPPTZ Premium Member about 16 years ago
Uh oh. Sounds like George may have missed the part about the free trip to Heaven even when you donāt deserve it.
Cornelius16 about 16 years ago
the sad thing with surprises is that, sometime we end up surprising ourselves instead of others.
Coldfusion about 16 years ago
Lolā¦trust is not the word dad is looking forā¦talk about taking riskā¦.lol
BirishB about 16 years ago
āDonāt you trust your own kid?ā
No, Calvin. I do not. You have given no reason to ātrustā you.
EMandEM about 16 years ago
Daddy knows better!ā¦.so to āpeekā :D
alife about 16 years ago
HAD to come over here right away just glanced. Will read comments after I post this link! you might already seen. LOLOLOLOOL Reality Check 1.26.09 http://comics.com/affiliate/seattle/?ComicID=73
Wildmustang1262 about 16 years ago
An invisible flea got away from Calvin.
JonD17 about 16 years ago
āwhatās the matter? Donāt you trust your own kid?ā Pretty well says it all Calvin. Dad doesnāt have to close his eyes, in pane 3 they are rolled back to his brain! LOL
si_rat about 16 years ago
Stuart Gathman says:ā¦
Stuart I am not going ridicule āthou shall not murderā etc. You seems to miss the point.
How come the invisible man āwatches everything you do, every minute of every dayā fails to stop that !
Still are you justifying āburning and tortureā to murder let alone adultery ?
JonD17 about 16 years ago
Oh Man, is this page going to turn into a B.A.C. battlefield now?
si_rat about 16 years ago
doctortoon says: si_rat - Youāre a day late. The religious discussion was yesterday. However, Dad doesnāt seem to have much āfaithā in Calvin to give him a nice surprise, does he?
yes doc, I was quite late yesterday.
AndiJ about 16 years ago
I think Calvin had a frog. I donāt know why I thought that, but it was the first thing in my mind! LOL. Dad almost ate something! Good thing it got away! ;)
geo111 about 16 years ago
I wish that the Secularists and the Religionists would just shut up.
Calvin and Hobbes is a comic strip; why not enjoy it and keep your beliefs to yourselves. There are plenty of other public forums where your arguments would be welcomed.
topaz17 about 16 years ago
there are some way deep discussions on this page. what the heck happend to good ol calvin and hobbesā¦ and Staurt Gathman dudeā¦ woahā¦ just wow. Isnt there another place to discuss all this????
carmy about 16 years ago
Calvinās hands are small so maybe it was a baby frog. I recently saw one in my garage. They are really quick and they jump far. You lucked out Dad!
coffeeturtle about 16 years ago
canāt be any worse than cafeteria food. :-)
pjbear94 about 16 years ago
COCKROACH!!!!
lazygrazer about 16 years ago
I bet it was a tiny toad. Good thing dad didnāt fall for it or he would have a mouthful of warts, heh.
PaulAtreides about 16 years ago
why does si-rat read calvin and hobbes just to slam God? its a COMIC STRIP! God isnāt an angry old guy waiting to smite us. murder isnāt wrong because the commandments say so, but they say so because it is wrong. God doesnāt tempt us to break his commandments so we can burn. we werenāt even created with a desire to sin. God sent Christ to the cross becuase his standard for getting into heaven is perfection, which none of us have. That is what christianity is. look up the āromans roadā youāll see what I mean.
TumblingDragonRider about 16 years ago
Calvin is so micheaveus I love him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
Elwoodman about 16 years ago
The truly sad thing about all the religious / non religious folks out there is that they all use their so-called ābeliefsā as an excuse for their behaviours and blame others beliefs for all their lifeās shortfalls. The only entity responsible for what happens in your life is YOU. YOU make good things happen, not some almighty irreverent being. YOU make bad things happen, not some random Omnipotent entity. I find it impossible to comprehend that in this dayās society there are so many people with such weak minds. Your ancestors must have been the ones who believed the sky would fall, the earth was flat and that persecution in the name of religion was justifiable. There is no difference between one fanatic crying āoh Allahā and another crying ālord Jesusā. Youāre all gullible fools without the ability to make your own conclusions. Now if you could all please just go away and let the rest of us enjoy the comix in peace it would be much appreciated.
alondra about 16 years ago
I see nothing in todayās strip that should have started another argument about matters of faith. But since it was brought up I will say I agree with Stuart Gathman and leave it at that.
PaulAtreides about 16 years ago
Thank you, Macushlalondra. and Elwoodman, Jesus is not Muhammad. Muhammad was a killer who taught people to convert and kill those who wonāt. Jesus never killed anyone but was crucified for teaching the way to heaven, forgiving the people who killed him. Islam is a religion like every other beleif out there saying work to get to heaven.
SamFP about 16 years ago
Do we need to get a church in here!I think Calvin would say āTortelliniā!
wndrwrthg about 16 years ago
Man created god in his own image.
nyer73 about 16 years ago
dad mustāve sat on the mini-toad!! the reaction on his face says so!.. :)
marvee about 16 years ago
Never mind where Iāll spend eternity - where is Brenda Starr today?
attyush about 16 years ago
A question for all of you. Which place would you like to go after death (assuming ofcourse that heaven and hell exist)?
Methinks hell would be fun. Imagine sneaking out for a day from hell (past those guards and dogs) and having a great time at heaven. The next day you would get double the fire, but well, you would still be the hero in hell. You will have fun stories to tell. Heaven seems a tad boring that way.
howlindawgs about 16 years ago
How did āOpen your mouth and close your eyes, and you will get a big surpriseā turn into a religious discussion??? Anyway since itās happening already, in answer to attyush, Iād want to go wherever the dogs go when they go to the Big Kennel In The Sky. The afterlife would be miserable without dogs!! Assuming one believes in the afterlife as opposted to, say, reincarnation.
d0e8r about 16 years ago
@ Si_rat: The idea of a God who tortures people in hell fire for eternity but who is supposedly a God of love is repulsive and disgusting. Thatās why I donāt believe it. Hell will not last forever, rather the unholy will be burned as brush is burned, and be gone (see Matt. 3:7-10, 13:24-30. My God IS a god of love, not a bleeep. And the fire that will occur is not āpunishmentā, death is the natural result of separation from God. Also, a person who follows the āset of ten rulesā is not guaranteed to get into heaven. The commandments are designed to make us the healthiest, happiest people we can be, but they are not what counts. What counts is having a personal relationship with Christ, and perhaps obedience to the commandments will follow.
@ Stuart Gathman: I believe your view of God is somewhat distorted. You make him out to be not only a bleeep, but a megalomaniac as well.
@doctortoon, correct, but no matter how out of context, a good debate SHOULD BE FOLLOWED UP.
Mowgli-Chiara about 16 years ago
I know heavens has everything I like and love, my wife, my dogs, comics, and AW root beer floats sunrises, sunsets, etc :-p
d0e8r about 16 years ago
back to Calvin, I wonder what āitā was? a fly? a bee? (I know, you say heād get stung, but small children like Calvin often have a strange ability not to. My little brother routinely handles hornets without harm. Freaks me out), or something worse?
d0e8r about 16 years ago
@ concerned_human: politicians.. yuck. I think you have been influenced rather strongly by their interpretation of the Bible. Politicians were hated just as much back then as now. In Matthew 22;21 where it says to ārender unto Ceasar what is Ceasarāsā I believe the emphasis is on the unimportance of money, itās just a symbol Caesar made for himself. In Matthew 17:25-27, the implication would be that paying taxes is unnecessary (the sons are free vs. 26). āNevertheless, lest we offend themā¦ā It is the act of offending that Christ is worried about, paying taxes is not espoused as some holy act.
carmy about 16 years ago
Is is weird that Calvin said āheā got away instead of āitā got away?
SlyGuy54 about 16 years ago
Calvin you make me laugh. You AND your evil ways.
Oh and, what is up with all these religious comments! I donāt think this comic strip had ANYTHING to do with religion.
widjibeaker about 16 years ago
Wow. Clearly Iām not the only one who enjoys these debates. Iād like to propose finding another place where we could have forums for religious debates prompted by our daily comics. That way, one comment on the comic page could lead to the debate for those who are interested and be skipped by those who arenāt. Problem is, I donāt know of a good place to suggest. Any ideas?
JTRaine about 16 years ago
astonishing how one simple reference to purgatory could prompt two days of religious gibberish and debate. You people need to get a LIFE. This is a COMIC. Itās meant to be FUNNY. No one gives a bleeep about your spiritual beliefs and religious debates. Have a laugh, and MOVE ON. God is dead. Long live Hobbes!!
Iamborntopraise about 16 years ago
Right on Stuart Gathman!
wndrwrthg about 16 years ago
If you wish to believe in a particular mythology, fine and dandy. Just donāt seek to lay your fantasies on me.
jweb1510 about 16 years ago
There are thousands upon thousands of forums for religious debate. We should leave this one to enjoying the simply complex humor of a comic mastermind.
tabbylynn about 16 years ago
funny one. i would not have opened my mouth in the first place, but that is just me. where is Hobbes in all this?? i bet calvin would have blamed it on hobbes if he managed to get whatever it was into dads mouth. lol
Zippy007 about 16 years ago
It is always enjoyable and enlightening to see all of the ānon-believersā whine and cry about ā¦ nothing! I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that unless you repent and believe you will be judged for your sin. BUT you say that He does not even exist and that I believe in nothing. I understand why I get worked up about the subject, but I am amazed at how worked up atheists get over what they believe does not exist.
Zippy007 about 16 years ago
And certainly before some brilliant philosopher decides to claim that they are against religion because of the harm it causes, history indicates that more people have been killed thanks to atheistic philosophies.
si_rat about 16 years ago
Zippy007 says: Of course religious people killed more people, but thatās not the point.
No one can prove the existence of fairies. So, what makes you get so worked up ? Looks like you are really sacred
Zippy007 about 16 years ago
si_ratty,
Why yes, I am sacred, but I used to be a foolish atheist. I did have the sense to convert to agnosticism first though, realizing that a rational person understands he cannot disprove the existence of God.
si_rat about 16 years ago
yes, one cannot prove/disprove the existence of fairies.
zombiedragon about 16 years ago
I wonder what that thing wasā¦
Zippy007 about 16 years ago
Ah, my dear rat-a-roni, if one is interested in a rational discussion one CAN indeed prove that God must exist. Class is in session at http://www.ligonier.org/ under the Video section starting on January 15th. The only rational conclusion is that it is irrational to NOT believe in God.
ScoundrelSon about 16 years ago
I think Calvin had nothing in his hands the entire time.
si_rat about 16 years ago
ScoundrelSon says: I think Calvin had nothing in his hands the entire time.
:) grate
si_rat about 16 years ago
Zippy007 says: Calvin also did some rationalization once. He decided to believe in Santa so that he wont miss out the loot.
Gretchen's Mom about 16 years ago
OF COURSE your dad doesnāt trust you, Calvin. Heās familiar with your work!!!!!
Marderofski about 16 years ago
I decided a week ago that Iām grouping God in with Ghosts, Goblins, and the Bogeyman. Something written 4000 or 2000 years ago by people who donāt speak or write in the same language as us does not deserve to be the sole reason for 30% of the world to get up in the morning. I forget who said it, but the way you live your life is your choice, make it because itās the right choice, not the one you āshouldā make.
dsbairdks almost 16 years ago
Developing Trust
dsbairdks almost 16 years ago
Developing Trust
Loki91308 over 2 years ago
Why would Calvin think this has a snowballās chance of working? And why would he want to do this? Also, please keep the debate about god off here.