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Non Sequitur by Wiley Miller for December 15, 2008
December 14, 2008
December 16, 2008
Transcript:
Executive: We crunched the numbers over and over on where we could cut back, and it kept coming down to whatever it is you guys do on the assembly line.. C.E.O. math.
top management just donât see the problem with themselves.. since they wouldnât fire themselves, whatâs a better than blaming the little guys down there.
the heli pad is a nice touch.. i wonder if companies like the big 3 have a few next to their jets..
Yeah, the CEOs of the Big 3 have plenty to be sorry about, and this comic surely gets a lot of things right ⊠but Iâm dissapointed that UAW wouldnât negotiate with Congress in the interest of the bailout loan â this was laborâs opportunity to show that extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures, and it failed. Miserably.
BirishB: â(âŠ)Iâm dissapointed that UAW wouldnât negotiate with Congress in the interest of the bailout loan(âŠ)â
The U.A.W. has already made huge concessions, and theyâve said that theyâre willing to make more â so long as their current contracts are honored and their members are paid a living wage. It isnât *THEIR* fault that the Big Three kept insisting that they build SUVs and other gas-guzzlers that no one would buy eventually. (Believe me, I have absolutely **NO** sympathy for the auto execs! They should all be fired and investigated by Congress [for incompetence] and the Justice Department. [For stock fraud.]) The only thing that those Southern Rethuglicans are interested in is busting the U.A.W. for the Japanese and German automakers, and theyâre more than willing to sacrifice the U.S. auto industry (and the million-plus jobs that they provide) in order to do so.
Reynard â Suppose I ought to clarify: I STRONGLY support union labor; I abhor corporate/CEO greed. However, I feel that UAW ineptly handled the negotiations, and now the GOP and UAW are now in a pissing contest over who deserves blame, but that only detracts from the fact that nothing got done. I also think that UAW should have looked a little harder at the unpalatable solution it was faced with rather than ducking the conversation.
LameRandomName: âSouthern Rethuglicans forcing the poor, downtrodden masses to produce SUVs and other gas guzzlers to bankrupt the big three on behalf of the japanese car makers?â
No. Thatâs NOT what I said. To clarify: The Big Threeâs Marketing suits kept telling their CEOs that the âPublicâ wanted SUVs, pick-ups and large cars â usually to the near-exclusion of smaller, gas-efficient models. The CEOs then decided which models went from the drawing boards to the assembly lines. No one âforceâed the assembly-line workers to build them, but they had no decision-making power as to what models went to the assembly lines.
âAnd here I thought that they were building SUVs and other large cars because thatâs what their customers wanted to BUY.â
I strongly suspect that itâs more a case of what they think âthe customer wantsâ (i.e. what they can make that will make the average male driver feel like a Chick Magnet) and through slick advertising turning it into a self-fulfilling prophesy.
âShows how little I know.
Hey, you guys keep fighting for that âLiving Wageâ!â
Would you rather see (possibly) a million-plus people homeless and/or swelling the welfare and food-stamp rolls because they canât afford their mortgage payments and/or their next meal?
According to Time magazine, GMâs union workers make $71/hr plus benefits. Thatâs approximately $147K in âliving wages.â Many other Americans would like to earn that amount and still be disgruntled.
That â$71/hourâ figure is accurate if youâre looking at âtotal labor costâ, but itâs not what the workers are making. Itâs what you get if you take all the labor cost, including the pensions and benefits being paid to current retirees and divide that by the number of current workers. Nobody on the assembly line is making $71/hour.
Oh, and before you get bent out of shape about âwhy are they paying such lavish benefits to retireees?â, hereâs why: they promised those benefits to them when they were workers in exchange for taking lower salaries at the time. If GM had fully funded the pension plan as they accrued the liabilities, there wouldnât *be* a pension problem. But for some reason, itâs become attractive to blame the union for expecting GM to hold up their end of a deal that both sides agreed to.
ââŠthe poor, downtrodden masses ⊠fighting for that âLiving Wageâ⊠bankrupt the big three ⊠Shows how little I know. â
I canât argue with that.
âAre there no food stamps? Are there no homeless shelters? If the laid-off be like to die, then let them do it and decrease the surplus population.â â Ebenezer âLame Random Commentâ Scrooge
oranaiche about 16 years ago
Sadly true.
okzack about 16 years ago
Sign of the times, unfortunely.
mfboyd about 16 years ago
actually, this is rather timeless, and all the sadder for it.
ayln about 16 years ago
top management just donât see the problem with themselves.. since they wouldnât fire themselves, whatâs a better than blaming the little guys down there.
the heli pad is a nice touch.. i wonder if companies like the big 3 have a few next to their jets..
gbrucewilson about 16 years ago
Anyone heard of the âPeter Principleâ? It is working well at the Big 3 and a lot of other companies.
BirishB about 16 years ago
Yeah, the CEOs of the Big 3 have plenty to be sorry about, and this comic surely gets a lot of things right ⊠but Iâm dissapointed that UAW wouldnât negotiate with Congress in the interest of the bailout loan â this was laborâs opportunity to show that extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures, and it failed. Miserably.
royman53 about 16 years ago
What cracks me up is Bob Nardelli almost bankrupted Home Depot and still Chrysler hired him!
lalas about 16 years ago
Funny how most of the Republicans against the LOANS (not a bailout) come from states that have foreign car makers in their states.
Wildmustang1262 about 16 years ago
okzack says: Sign of the times, unfortunely The word should be âunfortunatelyâ correctly. :-)
robertolopez144 about 16 years ago
âYou Are So Right, Mr. Wiley!â
lazygrazer about 16 years ago
The perfect head shot, Wiley.
Preschus3 about 16 years ago
more truth then realized!
treered about 16 years ago
remember the golden rule: he who has the gold makes the rules
reynard61 about 16 years ago
BirishB: â(âŠ)Iâm dissapointed that UAW wouldnât negotiate with Congress in the interest of the bailout loan(âŠ)â
The U.A.W. has already made huge concessions, and theyâve said that theyâre willing to make more â so long as their current contracts are honored and their members are paid a living wage. It isnât *THEIR* fault that the Big Three kept insisting that they build SUVs and other gas-guzzlers that no one would buy eventually. (Believe me, I have absolutely **NO** sympathy for the auto execs! They should all be fired and investigated by Congress [for incompetence] and the Justice Department. [For stock fraud.]) The only thing that those Southern Rethuglicans are interested in is busting the U.A.W. for the Japanese and German automakers, and theyâre more than willing to sacrifice the U.S. auto industry (and the million-plus jobs that they provide) in order to do so.
BirishB about 16 years ago
Reynard â Suppose I ought to clarify: I STRONGLY support union labor; I abhor corporate/CEO greed. However, I feel that UAW ineptly handled the negotiations, and now the GOP and UAW are now in a pissing contest over who deserves blame, but that only detracts from the fact that nothing got done. I also think that UAW should have looked a little harder at the unpalatable solution it was faced with rather than ducking the conversation.
McGuffin about 16 years ago
alife about 16 years ago
TOO many Chiefs not enough Indians:D
candlebizlady about 16 years ago
Bingo!!!
chromosome Premium Member about 16 years ago
I agree with you, lalas.
ninmas about 16 years ago
danae hasnât appeared in weeks!
reynard61 about 16 years ago
LameRandomName: âSouthern Rethuglicans forcing the poor, downtrodden masses to produce SUVs and other gas guzzlers to bankrupt the big three on behalf of the japanese car makers?â
No. Thatâs NOT what I said. To clarify: The Big Threeâs Marketing suits kept telling their CEOs that the âPublicâ wanted SUVs, pick-ups and large cars â usually to the near-exclusion of smaller, gas-efficient models. The CEOs then decided which models went from the drawing boards to the assembly lines. No one âforceâed the assembly-line workers to build them, but they had no decision-making power as to what models went to the assembly lines.
âAnd here I thought that they were building SUVs and other large cars because thatâs what their customers wanted to BUY.â
I strongly suspect that itâs more a case of what they think âthe customer wantsâ (i.e. what they can make that will make the average male driver feel like a Chick Magnet) and through slick advertising turning it into a self-fulfilling prophesy.
âShows how little I know. Hey, you guys keep fighting for that âLiving Wageâ!â
Would you rather see (possibly) a million-plus people homeless and/or swelling the welfare and food-stamp rolls because they canât afford their mortgage payments and/or their next meal?
Creamed about 16 years ago
According to Time magazine, GMâs union workers make $71/hr plus benefits. Thatâs approximately $147K in âliving wages.â Many other Americans would like to earn that amount and still be disgruntled.
mike.jones about 16 years ago
That â$71/hourâ figure is accurate if youâre looking at âtotal labor costâ, but itâs not what the workers are making. Itâs what you get if you take all the labor cost, including the pensions and benefits being paid to current retirees and divide that by the number of current workers. Nobody on the assembly line is making $71/hour. Oh, and before you get bent out of shape about âwhy are they paying such lavish benefits to retireees?â, hereâs why: they promised those benefits to them when they were workers in exchange for taking lower salaries at the time. If GM had fully funded the pension plan as they accrued the liabilities, there wouldnât *be* a pension problem. But for some reason, itâs become attractive to blame the union for expecting GM to hold up their end of a deal that both sides agreed to.
nonsequitous about 16 years ago
okzack says: Sign of the times, unfortunely The word should be âunfortunatelyâ correctly. :-) No, I think okzack had it right.
nonsequitous about 16 years ago
ââŠthe poor, downtrodden masses ⊠fighting for that âLiving Wageâ⊠bankrupt the big three ⊠Shows how little I know. â
I canât argue with that.
âAre there no food stamps? Are there no homeless shelters? If the laid-off be like to die, then let them do it and decrease the surplus population.â â Ebenezer âLame Random Commentâ Scrooge
Tommygunner over 12 years ago
Yes, sadly true.