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Frazz: So this guy yells, from a giant 4-wheel-drive, that this doesn't belong on a paved road! Caulfield: HA HA! That's ironic. Frazz: Actually, that's not quite what ironic means. Caulfield: Irate+Moronic=Ironic. Frazz: But I think you make a strong case.
@kafox: But the definition of âironicâ is when what you mean is the opposite of what you say. The âirate moronâ meant exactly what he said, itâs just that heâs driving something that is also built to be on unpaved roads.
While the idea of the 4-wheel drive vehicle driver yelling that Frazzâs bike doesnât belong on the road is indeed âthe pot calling the kettle blackâ so-to-speak⊠saying that a 4-wheel drive vehicle doesnât belong on a paved road is as equally moronic. 4 wheel drive is useful in snow (granted there is no snow at this time of the year) so people who live in Michigan (like Frazz) might have a 4-wheel drive vehicle as their only vehicle and then need to drive it year round. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In terms of vehicles⊠does Frazz still own and drive his Chevette? I cannot recall, but seem to have a hazy memory of something happening to it. I always thought that Frazz drove around in a Chevette was very funny and it brought back memories of that very little, very quirky GM productâŠ. of which donât see hardly at all on the roads anymore. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ If Jef reads this, I hope that Frazz still has the Chevette.
I forgot to addâŠ. I also agree that it is moronic to say that bicycles do not belong on the road. They are excellent vehicles of transportation when the conditions are right (and the person is physically fit enough).
Whatâs really annoying is the people walking on the bike path and leaving no room for bikers or other people to pass them. While bikers biking on a road right next to a bike path is ridiculous, for them it is probably easier than dealing with all the pedestrians.
Not that Iâm knocking bicycling, but which one of the two pays the taxes used to build those roads? Many roads are built using funds collected from the tax on fuel.
Where I live there arenât many bike paths, so bicyclists have to ride on the roads. Unless there is a paved, wide shoulder to ride on, I think it is suicidal to ride a bike. Especially on a road with 55 mph or greater speed limit and limited visibility. (Curves and/or hills)
For Nabuquduriuzhur and anyone else who may care: I know Jef Mallett well. If Frazz rides like Jef, then yesâFrazz IS one of the extremely rare bicyclists who consistently obeys traffic laws, is courteous toward others on the road, stops at stop signs, stops at lights, does turn signals, uses reflectors and lights at night, rides on the correct side of the road, doesnât ride alongside vehicles at a stop unless thereâs a bike lane, doesnât block traffic, doesnât impede traffic, doesnât throw litter like water bottles and energy bar wrappers, thinks about others on the road and how they will be affected by sudden maneuvers as if he were a driver and gives other drivers time to react to changes.
Jefâs one of those rare bicyclists. And heâs not crazy about riding with cyclists who DONâT do these things because they are, as he puts it, the reason so many drivers hate bicyclists.
There are very few words in English that mean one thing only. Meaning changes over time through usage. The original definition may not have included, for example, âa free ride when youâve already paidâ, but itâs come to refer to that sort of usage over time. Older words acquire newer meanings in newer versions of dictionaries; I think itâs a matter of whether you consider the dictionary a book of how the language should be, or of how it is.
jpsomebody over 13 years ago
How could he see Frazz? If he is close enough to holler he is to close to see.
kafox over 13 years ago
I disagree with Frazz. 4WD was developed for non-paved conditions. âIronicâ is definitely the right word.
griffon8 over 13 years ago
@kafox: But the definition of âironicâ is when what you mean is the opposite of what you say. The âirate moronâ meant exactly what he said, itâs just that heâs driving something that is also built to be on unpaved roads.
lewisbower over 13 years ago
Ironic! What if itâs made of magnesium or aluminium?
Potrzebie over 13 years ago
I think Frazz drives a composite bike.
Pipe Tobacco Premium Member over 13 years ago
While the idea of the 4-wheel drive vehicle driver yelling that Frazzâs bike doesnât belong on the road is indeed âthe pot calling the kettle blackâ so-to-speak⊠saying that a 4-wheel drive vehicle doesnât belong on a paved road is as equally moronic. 4 wheel drive is useful in snow (granted there is no snow at this time of the year) so people who live in Michigan (like Frazz) might have a 4-wheel drive vehicle as their only vehicle and then need to drive it year round. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In terms of vehicles⊠does Frazz still own and drive his Chevette? I cannot recall, but seem to have a hazy memory of something happening to it. I always thought that Frazz drove around in a Chevette was very funny and it brought back memories of that very little, very quirky GM productâŠ. of which donât see hardly at all on the roads anymore. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ If Jef reads this, I hope that Frazz still has the Chevette.
Pipe Tobacco Premium Member over 13 years ago
I forgot to addâŠ. I also agree that it is moronic to say that bicycles do not belong on the road. They are excellent vehicles of transportation when the conditions are right (and the person is physically fit enough).
AlisonFarmer over 13 years ago
Whatâs really annoying is the people walking on the bike path and leaving no room for bikers or other people to pass them. While bikers biking on a road right next to a bike path is ridiculous, for them it is probably easier than dealing with all the pedestrians.
Stephen Gilberg over 13 years ago
I get annoyed when bicyclists ignore the bike path and slow down traffic, but thatâs the extent of my annoyance.
Smiley Rmom over 13 years ago
Not that Iâm knocking bicycling, but which one of the two pays the taxes used to build those roads? Many roads are built using funds collected from the tax on fuel.
Where I live there arenât many bike paths, so bicyclists have to ride on the roads. Unless there is a paved, wide shoulder to ride on, I think it is suicidal to ride a bike. Especially on a road with 55 mph or greater speed limit and limited visibility. (Curves and/or hills)
miss_plainwell over 13 years ago
For Nabuquduriuzhur and anyone else who may care: I know Jef Mallett well. If Frazz rides like Jef, then yesâFrazz IS one of the extremely rare bicyclists who consistently obeys traffic laws, is courteous toward others on the road, stops at stop signs, stops at lights, does turn signals, uses reflectors and lights at night, rides on the correct side of the road, doesnât ride alongside vehicles at a stop unless thereâs a bike lane, doesnât block traffic, doesnât impede traffic, doesnât throw litter like water bottles and energy bar wrappers, thinks about others on the road and how they will be affected by sudden maneuvers as if he were a driver and gives other drivers time to react to changes.
Jefâs one of those rare bicyclists. And heâs not crazy about riding with cyclists who DONâT do these things because they are, as he puts it, the reason so many drivers hate bicyclists.
James Lindley Premium Member over 13 years ago
Actually it is ironic because the original reason for paving roads was not for automobiles, but for bicycles.
childe_of_pan almost 8 years ago
There are very few words in English that mean one thing only. Meaning changes over time through usage. The original definition may not have included, for example, âa free ride when youâve already paidâ, but itâs come to refer to that sort of usage over time. Older words acquire newer meanings in newer versions of dictionaries; I think itâs a matter of whether you consider the dictionary a book of how the language should be, or of how it is.