Doonesbury by Garry Trudeau for September 29, 2012
September 28, 2012
September 30, 2012
Transcript:
Rick: Hi. Here to see Matt Rhodes. Secretary: Name, please. Rick: Rick Redfern. Secretary: Who are you with, sir? Rick: The Huffington Post. Secretary: Are you paid or unpaid? Rick: Um... unpaid. Secretary: Sorry, he's not in.
Only insofar as the state does not establish religion or seek to impose religious belief systems into law. There’s nothing wrong with politicians practicing their faith or talking about it. Or being informed by their faith in their decision-making process.
No, there is nothing in the U.S. Constitution about separation of “religion” (or church) and the state. Although, practically everyone who knows nothing about the U.S. Constitution thinks there is. Odd, don’t you think?
Constitution of the United States of America: Amendment I:πCongress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
T. JEFFERSON: SEPARATION BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE BUILT INTO U.S. CONSTITUTIONπ“I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."π—Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Danbury Baptists, January 1, 1802
Re: ‘separation of church and state’ . . . You have to remember that the ‘Founding Fathers’ lived at the tail end of a 250-year period of intense – and often vicious – religious warfare. The Thirty Years War of 1618-1648 between Catholic, Lutheran and Calvinist, was so savage that the population of central Europe did not recover for over 200 years. England, Scotland and Ireland were repeatedly ripped apart by conflicts between Anglican, Puritan and Catholic. (Many of the colonies in North America were founded by one or another of these religious groups in periods when they happened to be on the losing side.)For the the Founders, the ‘separation of church and state’ was a no-brainer. In fact, some of the people most strongly pressing Jefferson and Madison for a ‘separation’ were the Baptists. There were few things Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans and Calvinists could agree on . . . but one of these things was that the Baptists, at least, must be destroyed . . .
Hi, DTpi! Welcome back. Do you think you could ask the powers-that-be on GoComics.com if they could ferry a message from us to a source connected to you, in case you get laid up for a long time again? Tx.
Hey, did you all hear? The liberal lamestream media is SKEWING poll results to make it look like Obama is beating Romney so republicans will be discouraged and stay home and not vote. BRILLIANT! Why didn’t they ever think of this. Oh, wait. They did. It’s called Fox ‘News’.
Congratulations OleEd, thanks for the service sounds like you’ve had a great run, I was thinking about a 20 something in Afghanistan who only has days left, FOO!
Funny thing about life in the business world(in general, anyway) – you have to be “somebody” to get the “good” jobs, but to be “somebody” it really helps if you HAVE a “good” job…….
“Hadn’t seen that one before. Now I have the perfect response to people telling me that idiotic psalm about nonbelievers. Thank you.”Sorry, griffon88, God is authorized to call you a fool, and we are authorized to quote God.
“I didn’t think you were old enough to remember that. That goes WAYYYY back.”πWhatta U talkin’ ‘bout? Susan’s just a kid. Y d’ya think I call her “babygirl”?
I remember Smokey Stover and his “foo.” Also, from time to time “notary sojac” floats into my consciousness.I recall seeing Franklin Roosevelt (maybe) when I was three or four and my dad was working in Washington. Actually, someone said, “There goes the President’s car!” Even at that age, I realized that this was something momentous. I stared hard at the car, and saw the silhouettes of four heads, two in front and two in back. The best I can remember, it was a black car, kind of like a limo.
I checked in a little late today myself. A little girl with a birthday this weekend lives with us. Life goes on and sometimes getting online isn’t the first thing one has to do…
Only that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. 1st Amendment, Bill of Rights. Look it up.
My apologies for misunderstanding your use of the FOO!! Smokey Stover was before my time. Also, thank you for your service. You still say things that blatantly untrue, e.g., Teddy Roosevelt was a Buddhist. For that reason I have refrained from engaging in a dialogue with you.
DTpi, here’s another glad to see you back. I second gokie5’s idea on providing a contact.
Does OleEd think he’s the only veteran posting? I had the impression many of us are veterans who just don’t blowhard about it.
So OleEd is 83? Lets see, then he would have been born in 1929 or 1928. When Franklin D Roosevelt was elected for a third term he would have been 11, and when he was elected for his fourth and unfinished term he would have been 15. It would have made a lot of headlines and been the subject of many discussions, some acrimonious. He doesn’t remember? I didn’t realize they had home school or Fox News in those days.
Incidentally, “Hi” to those whose posts I value so much, including but not limited to leftwingpatriot, DTpi of course, Susan Newman, montessoriteacher, Redjaycei Repoc. After a way-too-long hiatus I am gainfully employed again, which leaves me little time to read and less to post. But keep it up!
Hey, I’m probably around seventy years younger than you, and I believe in prayer. The best prayer warrior I know is six years old. Her faith would shame many pastors. When she prays, things happen. Like a passport arriving from across the country in three days. Poor kid didn’t know it takes longer than three days to process and ship a passport. She prayed Tuesday, it arrived Friday. My God is great.
I really appreciate your method of arguing, even though I don’t agree with you on most issues. So far as I can remember, you have never used an epithet in a reply. Thank you for letting me understand the leftist point of view without banging my head against a wall. Sometimes you even make sense. Vietnam was the second stupidest thing we ever did (Republicans, that is). The stupidest would be the war on Terror.
BE THIS GUY about 12 years ago
The 47% should know their place.
DylanThomas3.14159 about 12 years ago
Like quantum uncertainty phenomena, Rhoades is both in and out at the same time.
Cofyjunky about 12 years ago
Doesn’t this guy know the first rule of journalism?? LIE!!
bagbalm about 12 years ago
Ah but that will get them a piece money couldn’t buy.
thirdguy about 12 years ago
Good one! Snerk!
cdward about 12 years ago
Only insofar as the state does not establish religion or seek to impose religious belief systems into law. There’s nothing wrong with politicians practicing their faith or talking about it. Or being informed by their faith in their decision-making process.
Rickapolis about 12 years ago
She’ll be out of work in a few weeks.
asa4ever about 12 years ago
Schrodinger’s Cat.What time do you people get up in the morning to read Doonesbury?
William Bednar Premium Member about 12 years ago
dukedoug;
No, there is nothing in the U.S. Constitution about separation of “religion” (or church) and the state. Although, practically everyone who knows nothing about the U.S. Constitution thinks there is. Odd, don’t you think?
DylanThomas3.14159 about 12 years ago
Constitution of the United States of America: Amendment I:πCongress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
DylanThomas3.14159 about 12 years ago
T. JEFFERSON: SEPARATION BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE BUILT INTO U.S. CONSTITUTIONπ“I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."π—Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Danbury Baptists, January 1, 1802
DylanThomas3.14159 about 12 years ago
HI BABYGIRL. Still makin’ mint juleps?
corzak about 12 years ago
Re: ‘separation of church and state’ . . . You have to remember that the ‘Founding Fathers’ lived at the tail end of a 250-year period of intense – and often vicious – religious warfare. The Thirty Years War of 1618-1648 between Catholic, Lutheran and Calvinist, was so savage that the population of central Europe did not recover for over 200 years. England, Scotland and Ireland were repeatedly ripped apart by conflicts between Anglican, Puritan and Catholic. (Many of the colonies in North America were founded by one or another of these religious groups in periods when they happened to be on the losing side.)For the the Founders, the ‘separation of church and state’ was a no-brainer. In fact, some of the people most strongly pressing Jefferson and Madison for a ‘separation’ were the Baptists. There were few things Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans and Calvinists could agree on . . . but one of these things was that the Baptists, at least, must be destroyed . . .
stellablu122 about 12 years ago
Rick start texting your bff Arianna.Make sure you use CAPS!
Gokie5 about 12 years ago
Hi, DTpi! Welcome back. Do you think you could ask the powers-that-be on GoComics.com if they could ferry a message from us to a source connected to you, in case you get laid up for a long time again? Tx.
Gokie5 about 12 years ago
Re: Today’s Doonesbury: Ooooo!
wynot about 12 years ago
Yuck.
thirdguy about 12 years ago
I pity you sweetie? Really?OleEd, I pity you.
Rickapolis about 12 years ago
Hey, did you all hear? The liberal lamestream media is SKEWING poll results to make it look like Obama is beating Romney so republicans will be discouraged and stay home and not vote. BRILLIANT! Why didn’t they ever think of this. Oh, wait. They did. It’s called Fox ‘News’.
FriscoLou about 12 years ago
Congratulations OleEd, thanks for the service sounds like you’ve had a great run, I was thinking about a 20 something in Afghanistan who only has days left, FOO!
Habogee about 12 years ago
Smokey Stover-FOO=FireAs in FOO Fighters.
Bill Chapman about 12 years ago
Only a sinner saved by grace about 12 years ago
At the risk of being called a wingnut, what Bible is Obama believing? He doesn’t check out with mine.
Only a sinner saved by grace about 12 years ago
“Hadn’t seen that one before. Now I have the perfect response to people telling me that idiotic psalm about nonbelievers. Thank you.”Sorry, griffon88, God is authorized to call you a fool, and we are authorized to quote God.
DylanThomas3.14159 about 12 years ago
“I didn’t think you were old enough to remember that. That goes WAYYYY back.”πWhatta U talkin’ ‘bout? Susan’s just a kid. Y d’ya think I call her “babygirl”?
Gokie5 about 12 years ago
I remember Smokey Stover and his “foo.” Also, from time to time “notary sojac” floats into my consciousness.I recall seeing Franklin Roosevelt (maybe) when I was three or four and my dad was working in Washington. Actually, someone said, “There goes the President’s car!” Even at that age, I realized that this was something momentous. I stared hard at the car, and saw the silhouettes of four heads, two in front and two in back. The best I can remember, it was a black car, kind of like a limo.
montessoriteacher about 12 years ago
I checked in a little late today myself. A little girl with a birthday this weekend lives with us. Life goes on and sometimes getting online isn’t the first thing one has to do…
K M about 12 years ago
Only that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. 1st Amendment, Bill of Rights. Look it up.
BE THIS GUY about 12 years ago
My apologies for misunderstanding your use of the FOO!! Smokey Stover was before my time. Also, thank you for your service. You still say things that blatantly untrue, e.g., Teddy Roosevelt was a Buddhist. For that reason I have refrained from engaging in a dialogue with you.
BE THIS GUY about 12 years ago
TR was a church going Christian. In his travels, he had come into contact with Buddhism but he never converted to that faith.
underwriter about 12 years ago
DTpi, here’s another glad to see you back. I second gokie5’s idea on providing a contact.
Does OleEd think he’s the only veteran posting? I had the impression many of us are veterans who just don’t blowhard about it.
So OleEd is 83? Lets see, then he would have been born in 1929 or 1928. When Franklin D Roosevelt was elected for a third term he would have been 11, and when he was elected for his fourth and unfinished term he would have been 15. It would have made a lot of headlines and been the subject of many discussions, some acrimonious. He doesn’t remember? I didn’t realize they had home school or Fox News in those days.
Incidentally, “Hi” to those whose posts I value so much, including but not limited to leftwingpatriot, DTpi of course, Susan Newman, montessoriteacher, Redjaycei Repoc. After a way-too-long hiatus I am gainfully employed again, which leaves me little time to read and less to post. But keep it up!
Only a sinner saved by grace about 12 years ago
Hey, I’m probably around seventy years younger than you, and I believe in prayer. The best prayer warrior I know is six years old. Her faith would shame many pastors. When she prays, things happen. Like a passport arriving from across the country in three days. Poor kid didn’t know it takes longer than three days to process and ship a passport. She prayed Tuesday, it arrived Friday. My God is great.
Only a sinner saved by grace about 12 years ago
I really appreciate your method of arguing, even though I don’t agree with you on most issues. So far as I can remember, you have never used an epithet in a reply. Thank you for letting me understand the leftist point of view without banging my head against a wall. Sometimes you even make sense. Vietnam was the second stupidest thing we ever did (Republicans, that is). The stupidest would be the war on Terror.