I like that, coyoty, death and judgment aren’t supposed to be taken seriously….roll eyes icon. No, doty doesn’t get it most of the time, but neither does WM.
You’re supposed to find the meaning of life down here, and here’s a hint, it has something to do with recognizing good and evil exist.
Take your theology, and I’ll take mine. There’s plenty to go around. If we run out, we’ll just whip another batch. Sometimes it’s even better fresh. Sometimes not.
Theology was created by man not by God. Why do you think we have so many religions? God didn’t create them. Man did as God gave man the ability to think and do for himself.
There’s no question why we’re here in this lifetime: to love one another, to experience the wide range of adventures this world has to offer, and to use our unique talents to help make this world a better place. Don’t wait until you’re dead to start living! Just had to post this one on The Family Plot Blog: Funeral Planning for Those Who Don’t Plan to Die: http://thefamilyplot.wordpress.com/
‘Bird’ - Thanks for refreshing my memory where mancocapac’s line came from. Being a Monty Python fan I had to look for “The Meaning Of Life”. I think I saw LuvH8 too…via YouTube:
@coot31: Knowing he was terminal, my husband and I had some discussions about what happened when you die. Of course there was no answer, so I told him he had about 45 seconds to tell me. Maybe. Also reminded him that since he had seen a ghost-like spirit in an old NE home, that perhaps he would become a like spirit and would let me see him again. In other words, we spoke of death as unknown, but the next step after life, and nothing to be afraid of. Maybe we were too casual, but maybe it helped him face what was to come and has come. Will I be that casual when my time comes? I hope so.
Mythreesons and others interested, As to the afterlife and apparitions that we may see here in this life, a man who rents my boyhood home came to me the other day saying his two girls say they see a man from time to time and they describe my father. they say he is always smiling and kind which was my dad. I have to find a picture to show the kids some day.
I was a non-believer until one evening in the Army when a buddy and I saw an apparition at the end of a bridge crossing Wilson Run in Fort Monmouth. The two of us saw exactly the same thing and being trained observers and the fact that we both saw through the man made me a believer.
kiddbh: “We need a few more Johnny Harts in the comic field.. He help balance the scales some what!”
If Johnny Hart had begun “B.C.” the way he ended it, his strip never would have succeeded.
Personally, I don’t think there IS such thing as “the Meaning of Life” as such; Life simply IS. That doesn’t mean that an individual can’t find meaning in his or her own life, but it’s something that can only be brought from inside, not imposed from without. If you want a Gospel cite, “The Kingdom of God is within you.”
I do not see where this denigrates the idea of an afterlife. It is only pointing out the irony that we won’t know ‘the meaning of life’ until this carnate life is over with.
@Justice22=more on apparitions. My granddaughter lived in an old house in PA when she was 2-3 years old. She asked her parents about the nice lady that lived there, too. There was another area of the house she would not go in to-it scared her. Now in her 30s, she still believes the nice lady was there to protect her from some evil spirit. Her parents also saw the lady. They are all very devout and intelligent, so don’t anyone dismiss them as “kooks.”
If the “Meaning of Life” involves learning behavior and attitudes to qualify you for an afterlife where those attributes are no longer relevant, that particular framework of afterlife is well worthy of denigration.
“If the “Meaning of Life” involves learning behavior and attitudes to qualify you for an afterlife where those attributes are no longer relevant, that particular framework of afterlife is well worthy of denigration.”
What makes you so sure the behaviors and attitudes are no longer relevant?
And therein lies the crux of the problem. All theologians claim to be putting forth “God’s truth”, but since they can’t all be doing so, that means none of them are. They just make it up and convince others their agenda is “God’s words”. It has always been thus.
Whatever is the truth (or Truth), it means that the vast majority are wrong about it. Even people who adhere to the same set of myths accuse each other of False Doctrine.
“What makes you so sure the behaviors and attitudes are no longer relevant?”
Why trust in Faith when you’re aiming for a situation where God’s presence is undeniable? Why inculcate Hope if you’re heading for someplace where no hopes are unfulfilled? What’s the point of Charity when nobody around you needs it? If salvation/damnation is truly binary and eternal (i.e. souls in hell are beyond the possibility of salvation, souls in heaven can never be expelled), then the ability to choose between good and evil during life is of no further consequence after death. That’s leaving aside Purgatory which, if it exists, is likewise pointless because, once you find yourself there, you know your finite sentence there will ultimately result in an infinite retirement in heaven.
That’s simply where “Eternal Judgment” collapses. Reincarnation, whether as part of Karmic progression towards Nirvana/Enlightenment or as simply recycling of a finite number of souls through an infinite timespan, is futile since we don’t remember our past lives. (I know there are people who claim to remember, but they’re few and far between, even if you find their stories credible.)
And freeholder, if it’s true that “those who think they have nothing to look forward to after death likely don’t have anything to look forward to,” why doesn’t it follow that “those who think they have nothing to fear after death likely have nothing to fear?”
Not so, Wiley; if you have six men claiming “I am Fred Smith, and none of these others are”, all you can logically infer is that five of them are incorrect.
I go down to Speaker’s Corner I’m thunderstruck,They got free speech, tourists, police in trucks.Two men say they’re Jesus,Oneof them must be wrong…
– Dire Straits, Industrial Disease
Besides, the Dalai Lama is at least on record as saying that Thibetan Buddhism is merely one of many paths leading to the same place. (Of course, that doesn’t mean I believe his metaphysics, either…)
neeurothrust, how about “What do you get if you multiply six by nine?”
Or, as Winston (not Fred) Smith said, “Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two make forty-two. If that is granted, all else follows.”
Wildcard24365 over 14 years ago
Huh. Shoots another theory of the afterlife all to… well, you know.
Coyoty Premium Member over 14 years ago
It’s not theology, it’s satire, Joe. It’s not meant to be taken seriously. But you never understand that, or you don’t care to.
Wildmustang1262 over 14 years ago
Who’s dead?
Hugh B. Hayve over 14 years ago
SORRY FOR THE INCONVENIENCE
Ooops! Premium Member over 14 years ago
davecancer over 14 years ago
The wings are Prada.
cdward over 14 years ago
“It’s okay if I’m dead. I just want to know what the heck I was doing down there all those years….”
Allison Nunn Premium Member over 14 years ago
LOVE IT!!!
coot31 over 14 years ago
Eternity: the microsecond(s) between the time the heart stops and the brain shuts down.
KEA over 14 years ago
There’s nothing more serious than satire.
HabaneroBuck over 14 years ago
I like that, coyoty, death and judgment aren’t supposed to be taken seriously….roll eyes icon. No, doty doesn’t get it most of the time, but neither does WM.
You’re supposed to find the meaning of life down here, and here’s a hint, it has something to do with recognizing good and evil exist.
Wiley creator over 14 years ago
“You’re supposed to find the meaning of life down here…”
Yes, Habanero. That’s the point of the satire.
And Joe… where did I learn my theology? I didn’t. Like all theology, I just make it up as I go along.
Nighthawks Premium Member over 14 years ago
the meaning of life is that it’s better than dead
mancocapac over 14 years ago
“Always look on the bright side of death”
HabaneroBuck over 14 years ago
It doesn’t come across the way you intend, Wiley. The strip seems to imply a cosmological ambivalence towards man’s search for meaning.
“Sure, we’ll tell you the meaning of life now that you’ve got no use for it, if you really wanna know.”
thirdguy over 14 years ago
Habanero, Wiley told you, and you didn’t get it.
You are supposed to find the meaning of life down here!
It does no good to wait until you are dead.
alviebird over 14 years ago
mancocapic
Long live Monty Python!
vieuxmec over 14 years ago
Boy, I’m with Wiley! Take all your theology and shove it.
mjd.kwanyin over 14 years ago
thank you for another great strip. ;}
ottod Premium Member over 14 years ago
Take your theology, and I’ll take mine. There’s plenty to go around. If we run out, we’ll just whip another batch. Sometimes it’s even better fresh. Sometimes not.
Justice22 over 14 years ago
Theology was created by man not by God. Why do you think we have so many religions? God didn’t create them. Man did as God gave man the ability to think and do for himself.
GailRubin over 14 years ago
There’s no question why we’re here in this lifetime: to love one another, to experience the wide range of adventures this world has to offer, and to use our unique talents to help make this world a better place. Don’t wait until you’re dead to start living! Just had to post this one on The Family Plot Blog: Funeral Planning for Those Who Don’t Plan to Die: http://thefamilyplot.wordpress.com/
lewisbower over 14 years ago
Er, I seem to have caught the uptown by accident. Could you tell me where to catch the down town and could I have a transfer? 47
kirbey over 14 years ago
Wiley … I don’t understand why some people read the comics …
but I thank you for another great strip !
kiddbh over 14 years ago
We need a few more Johnny Harts in the comic field.. He help balance the scales some what.!…
chromosome Premium Member over 14 years ago
Love philosophical cartoons… also like the name “Dogsniff”.
GJ_Jehosaphat over 14 years ago
‘Bird’ - Thanks for refreshing my memory where mancocapac’s line came from. Being a Monty Python fan I had to look for “The Meaning Of Life”. I think I saw LuvH8 too…via YouTube:
The Meaning Of Life (1983) Christmas In Heaven
dsom8 over 14 years ago
All but one, Justice22, all but One.
“Too soon old, too late smart,” the old saying goes.
mrkiko over 14 years ago
Now that makes sense.
ninmas over 14 years ago
“all sanity is lost.”
vexatron1984 over 14 years ago
Ain’t irony a kick in the butt?
Justice22 over 14 years ago
dsom8……… Too true.
Gail,,,,,, Thanks. Liked the video. We don’t have to lie down and go. It is possible to fight it. Just don’t get your adrenaline too high as you do.
S_T_F_U over 14 years ago
“Carpe diem! Rejoice while you are alive; enjoy the day; live life to the fullest; make the most of what you have. It is later than you think.”
Horace (Ancient Roman poet. 65 BC-8 BC)
Mythreesons over 14 years ago
@coot31: Knowing he was terminal, my husband and I had some discussions about what happened when you die. Of course there was no answer, so I told him he had about 45 seconds to tell me. Maybe. Also reminded him that since he had seen a ghost-like spirit in an old NE home, that perhaps he would become a like spirit and would let me see him again. In other words, we spoke of death as unknown, but the next step after life, and nothing to be afraid of. Maybe we were too casual, but maybe it helped him face what was to come and has come. Will I be that casual when my time comes? I hope so.
cfimeiatpap over 14 years ago
In the beginning; Man created God so as to control Woman.
Justice22 over 14 years ago
Mythreesons and others interested, As to the afterlife and apparitions that we may see here in this life, a man who rents my boyhood home came to me the other day saying his two girls say they see a man from time to time and they describe my father. they say he is always smiling and kind which was my dad. I have to find a picture to show the kids some day.
I was a non-believer until one evening in the Army when a buddy and I saw an apparition at the end of a bridge crossing Wilson Run in Fort Monmouth. The two of us saw exactly the same thing and being trained observers and the fact that we both saw through the man made me a believer.
fritzoid Premium Member over 14 years ago
kiddbh: “We need a few more Johnny Harts in the comic field.. He help balance the scales some what!”
If Johnny Hart had begun “B.C.” the way he ended it, his strip never would have succeeded.
Personally, I don’t think there IS such thing as “the Meaning of Life” as such; Life simply IS. That doesn’t mean that an individual can’t find meaning in his or her own life, but it’s something that can only be brought from inside, not imposed from without. If you want a Gospel cite, “The Kingdom of God is within you.”
alviebird over 14 years ago
I do not see where this denigrates the idea of an afterlife. It is only pointing out the irony that we won’t know ‘the meaning of life’ until this carnate life is over with.
Mythreesons over 14 years ago
@Justice22=more on apparitions. My granddaughter lived in an old house in PA when she was 2-3 years old. She asked her parents about the nice lady that lived there, too. There was another area of the house she would not go in to-it scared her. Now in her 30s, she still believes the nice lady was there to protect her from some evil spirit. Her parents also saw the lady. They are all very devout and intelligent, so don’t anyone dismiss them as “kooks.”
fritzoid Premium Member over 14 years ago
If the “Meaning of Life” involves learning behavior and attitudes to qualify you for an afterlife where those attributes are no longer relevant, that particular framework of afterlife is well worthy of denigration.
halavana over 14 years ago
42
Ushindi over 14 years ago
Personally, I think Wiley had the best (and most accurate) comment here…
AKHenderson Premium Member over 14 years ago
“Who’s dead?”
Paging Lou Abbott…
alviebird over 14 years ago
Can't Sleep over 14 years ago
Great strip!
And great comment, Wiley!
freeholder1 over 14 years ago
Aside from the various ill informed comments, I really do hope the Spammers can be forgiven but would just stop so they deserve the forgiveness.
freeholder1 over 14 years ago
As an observation: those who think they have nothing to look forward to after death likely don’t have anything to look forward to.
1148559 over 14 years ago
fritzoid said,
“If the “Meaning of Life” involves learning behavior and attitudes to qualify you for an afterlife where those attributes are no longer relevant, that particular framework of afterlife is well worthy of denigration.”
What makes you so sure the behaviors and attitudes are no longer relevant?
Wiley creator over 14 years ago
And therein lies the crux of the problem. All theologians claim to be putting forth “God’s truth”, but since they can’t all be doing so, that means none of them are. They just make it up and convince others their agenda is “God’s words”. It has always been thus.
neeeurothrush over 14 years ago
Life is like a river that flows endlessly through the universe and you couldn’t step in the same river twice Helen
Metaphysics Lecture
halavana…… hahahahaha ? ?
dsom8 over 14 years ago
“since they can’t all be doing so, that means none of them are.”
False logic. Your conclusion is not the only solution. One could be true and all the others false.
Justice22 over 14 years ago
dsom8,,,,,,,,, Sadly I must agree with you. Either one could be true or none be true. Let us pray.
Hath1 over 14 years ago
neeeurothrush:
Life is like a box of chocolates.
fritzoid Premium Member over 14 years ago
Whatever is the truth (or Truth), it means that the vast majority are wrong about it. Even people who adhere to the same set of myths accuse each other of False Doctrine.
fritzoid Premium Member over 14 years ago
“What makes you so sure the behaviors and attitudes are no longer relevant?”
Why trust in Faith when you’re aiming for a situation where God’s presence is undeniable? Why inculcate Hope if you’re heading for someplace where no hopes are unfulfilled? What’s the point of Charity when nobody around you needs it? If salvation/damnation is truly binary and eternal (i.e. souls in hell are beyond the possibility of salvation, souls in heaven can never be expelled), then the ability to choose between good and evil during life is of no further consequence after death. That’s leaving aside Purgatory which, if it exists, is likewise pointless because, once you find yourself there, you know your finite sentence there will ultimately result in an infinite retirement in heaven.
That’s simply where “Eternal Judgment” collapses. Reincarnation, whether as part of Karmic progression towards Nirvana/Enlightenment or as simply recycling of a finite number of souls through an infinite timespan, is futile since we don’t remember our past lives. (I know there are people who claim to remember, but they’re few and far between, even if you find their stories credible.)
And freeholder, if it’s true that “those who think they have nothing to look forward to after death likely don’t have anything to look forward to,” why doesn’t it follow that “those who think they have nothing to fear after death likely have nothing to fear?”
Wiley creator over 14 years ago
“One could be true and all the others false.”
Since all religions claim to be “the one true religion” (therefore, all the others are false), then it is not “false logic”.
The answer to everything is the number 42.
fritzoid Premium Member over 14 years ago
Not so, Wiley; if you have six men claiming “I am Fred Smith, and none of these others are”, all you can logically infer is that five of them are incorrect.
I go down to Speaker’s Corner I’m thunderstruck, They got free speech, tourists, police in trucks. Two men say they’re Jesus, One of them must be wrong…
– Dire Straits, Industrial Disease
Besides, the Dalai Lama is at least on record as saying that Thibetan Buddhism is merely one of many paths leading to the same place. (Of course, that doesn’t mean I believe his metaphysics, either…)
vexatron1984 over 14 years ago
Wow, and here I thought the answer was number 4!
neeeurothrush over 14 years ago
I’ve always had problems with one true. There are lots of ways to get to the answer of 42
treered over 14 years ago
the first time I heard this was from Gene Nelson on the radio in SF: He who dies with the most toys, still dies…
Justice22 over 14 years ago
Hmmm, Just after posting my last comment,,, Fred Smith called me. Actual fact..
fritzoid Premium Member over 14 years ago
neeurothrust, how about “What do you get if you multiply six by nine?”
Or, as Winston (not Fred) Smith said, “Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two plus two make forty-two. If that is granted, all else follows.”
fritzoid Premium Member over 14 years ago
By the way, Radish, the Muslims also claim that Jesus and Moses both preached true (unchanging, eternal) Islam, but their followers got it wrong…
pbarnrob over 14 years ago
OK, all, here’s the skinny, the straight poop.
The point of coming here is to figure out why we’re here; that is, the trip is it, and not the destination.
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