As the War On Drugs has shown us trying to cut off the supply is almost hopeless, it is far better to cut off the demand and the supply will dry up.
All we have to do is actually inforce the laws that are already on the books, and start fining and, maybe even, jailing those who hire illegials – then maybe they will check to make sure the people they hire have green cards.
The best way to cut off demand is legalization. That is a slippery slope. But it would generate insanely vast sums of tax revenue - while curtailing arms and human trafficing while severely denting the cross-boarder cartels.
benbrilling, that’s the most bi-partisan suggestion to this problem that I’ve heard yet. And besides, imagine all the jobs that would be created to build the thing. Talk about stimulus, that border is over a thousand miles.
Don’t be naive. The reason there are huge numbers of undocumented aliens is that neither political faction wishes to stop the practice.
For business it represents an unlimited flow of cheap labor.
For liberals it represents a huge number of votes.
BTW, don’t pretend that they can’t vote. Here in NYS, for humanitarian purposes, they are actually given legal documentation. And remember you can’t ask for documents to be allowed to vote (see Indiana)
^^God Lib1 how many times do we have to tell you ILLEGAL ALIENS CAN’T VOTE? Or do you prefer staying ignorant? Maybe in NYS you do things backwards but the rest of the country doesn’t do the things you guys do.
And Indiana from what I heard passed laws that require voters to have several matching IDs (similar to Florida) or you can’t vote. I believe a nun made the news when she could not vote because all she had on her was a valid driver’s license.
Ken had a good point- the wall blocks “capitalism” by making supplying demand more difficult. Well, granted the Chinese steel used in building the wall did alter the import quota?
I can tell you Señorita Jade, that we are just as upset with the well in the Gulf as you are. If it gets any worse no Americans will want to vacation to our sandy beaches. We do not want that.
GJ_Jehosaphat
You said:
“Let Arizona foot the bill for building “The Wall”. ”
Is this not Arizona problem, it is national security! Which is FEDERAL! It is an invasion.
That would be like tell the government to stay out of BP’s business and let them take care of the oil leak. Wait, that would be a good thing!
What is your beef with this country I assume you live in? Why not keep those who break laws out? You know a criminal is a criminal. Unless his crime is illegally entering a country? Your logic baffles me, especially on ILLEGAL ALIENS!
^^^¡Si! We are going take over the United States by coming here illegally and take your yabs away from you. Then after a few years we apply for permanent residency and after a couple more years we will become citizens. ¡You are powerless to stop us cabrón! We will turn this into the United States of Mexíco! Build all the fences and laws you want. It is your money you are flushing down the toilet.
Just thought I’d mention that even if illegal immigrants could vote (which I’m still wondering where that idea came from), the hispanic population is not dominated by democrats and would not help the dems out very much. I worked for a non-partisan organization last election trying to increase the percentage of latinos that vote, and I found that abortion and the catholic church lead many hispanics to vote republican no matter what.
You cannot be that naive. Correct- illegal aliens cannot legally vote and no DC resident may legally own a gun. So obviously there has not been a gun related death in DC in 25 years. We passed a law so that ends all discussions and everyone obeys it. Also there are no illegal drugs in this country.
And yes illegal aliens can and do vote, all over the country. They get free education (SCOTUS), free health care and benefits.
The Indiana law initially was upheld and after the election they could not find one single resident who wanted to vote but was prevented by lack of ID. The law has since been overturned. The law required one (1) form of ID including a valid drivers license. She deliberately tried to challenge the law by saying she didn’t drive and didn’t have a drivers license but did have a social security card.
tt wrote: “Is this not Arizona problem, it is national security! Which is FEDERAL! It is an invasion.”
Ok U win!
tt volunteers to pay for “The WALL” & personally patrol to keep the “invaders” out. The rest of the country is more concerned about the massive oil spill, war, & the economic mess left by Bush/Cheney reign of incompetency.
Oooh & tt will be out in the fields doing jobs Anglo’s are too lazy to do.
kennethcwarren64 about 14 years ago
As the War On Drugs has shown us trying to cut off the supply is almost hopeless, it is far better to cut off the demand and the supply will dry up.
All we have to do is actually inforce the laws that are already on the books, and start fining and, maybe even, jailing those who hire illegials – then maybe they will check to make sure the people they hire have green cards.
GJ_Jehosaphat about 14 years ago
Let Arizona foot the bill for building “The Wall”.
SuperGriz about 14 years ago
With rednecks?
Whatroughbeast about 14 years ago
Let Arizona foot the bill for building “The Wall”.
Do you really want to open that can of worms? I mean, not using your money to pay for something you don’t agree with.
CogentModality about 14 years ago
Rhetorical question:
When are you turning over the deed to your property?
rottenprat about 14 years ago
The best way to cut off demand is legalization. That is a slippery slope. But it would generate insanely vast sums of tax revenue - while curtailing arms and human trafficing while severely denting the cross-boarder cartels.
bradwilliams about 14 years ago
Didn’t the French build a wall in the late 30’s? Did not work out to good for them.
Jaedabee Premium Member about 14 years ago
Oh, for some reason I read this as Mexicans getting mad at the well not being capped.
biemmezeta about 14 years ago
Sorry American citizens don’t count. Politicans count.
benbrilling about 14 years ago
We should build an attractive architect-designed wall and make it a tourist attraction like the Great Wall of China.
HabaneroBuck about 14 years ago
benbrilling, that’s the most bi-partisan suggestion to this problem that I’ve heard yet. And besides, imagine all the jobs that would be created to build the thing. Talk about stimulus, that border is over a thousand miles.
Jaedabee Premium Member about 14 years ago
Aren’t there like … bodies in the Great Wall of China … like in the Pyramids?
SuperGriz about 14 years ago
No bodies in the pyramids, except for the Pharaohs’. The Egyptian workers got decent burials according to their rank.
Don’t know about the great wall.
There are lots of bodies incorporated into Hoover Dam however.
Libertarian1 about 14 years ago
Don’t be naive. The reason there are huge numbers of undocumented aliens is that neither political faction wishes to stop the practice.
For business it represents an unlimited flow of cheap labor.
For liberals it represents a huge number of votes.
BTW, don’t pretend that they can’t vote. Here in NYS, for humanitarian purposes, they are actually given legal documentation. And remember you can’t ask for documents to be allowed to vote (see Indiana)
WarBush about 14 years ago
^^God Lib1 how many times do we have to tell you ILLEGAL ALIENS CAN’T VOTE? Or do you prefer staying ignorant? Maybe in NYS you do things backwards but the rest of the country doesn’t do the things you guys do.
And Indiana from what I heard passed laws that require voters to have several matching IDs (similar to Florida) or you can’t vote. I believe a nun made the news when she could not vote because all she had on her was a valid driver’s license.
Dtroutma about 14 years ago
Ken had a good point- the wall blocks “capitalism” by making supplying demand more difficult. Well, granted the Chinese steel used in building the wall did alter the import quota?
davesmithsit about 14 years ago
Dual fence with a quarter mile “DEAD” zone with sizemic sensors and land mines. built by illegals supervised by victims of illegals.
Prof_Bleen about 14 years ago
“Sizemic” sensors, dave? Do they detect fat people or something?
TruthfulTheocracy about 14 years ago
I can tell you Señorita Jade, that we are just as upset with the well in the Gulf as you are. If it gets any worse no Americans will want to vacation to our sandy beaches. We do not want that.
Joe Snedaker about 14 years ago
GJ_Jehosaphat You said: “Let Arizona foot the bill for building “The Wall”. ”
Is this not Arizona problem, it is national security! Which is FEDERAL! It is an invasion.
That would be like tell the government to stay out of BP’s business and let them take care of the oil leak. Wait, that would be a good thing!
What is your beef with this country I assume you live in? Why not keep those who break laws out? You know a criminal is a criminal. Unless his crime is illegally entering a country? Your logic baffles me, especially on ILLEGAL ALIENS!
davesmithsit about 14 years ago
Bleen;Tunnels ,DUH.
Jaedabee Premium Member about 14 years ago
@Mexicano - “Señorita Jade,” has a nice ring to it. :3
TruthfulTheocracy about 14 years ago
^^^¡Si! We are going take over the United States by coming here illegally and take your yabs away from you. Then after a few years we apply for permanent residency and after a couple more years we will become citizens. ¡You are powerless to stop us cabrón! We will turn this into the United States of Mexíco! Build all the fences and laws you want. It is your money you are flushing down the toilet.
¡HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAA!
bradwilliams about 14 years ago
Please let everyone know you are joking. There are some people on this site that will be heading for the hills after a comment like that.
leerab78 about 14 years ago
Just thought I’d mention that even if illegal immigrants could vote (which I’m still wondering where that idea came from), the hispanic population is not dominated by democrats and would not help the dems out very much. I worked for a non-partisan organization last election trying to increase the percentage of latinos that vote, and I found that abortion and the catholic church lead many hispanics to vote republican no matter what.
Libertarian1 about 14 years ago
WarCriminals
You cannot be that naive. Correct- illegal aliens cannot legally vote and no DC resident may legally own a gun. So obviously there has not been a gun related death in DC in 25 years. We passed a law so that ends all discussions and everyone obeys it. Also there are no illegal drugs in this country.
And yes illegal aliens can and do vote, all over the country. They get free education (SCOTUS), free health care and benefits.
The Indiana law initially was upheld and after the election they could not find one single resident who wanted to vote but was prevented by lack of ID. The law has since been overturned. The law required one (1) form of ID including a valid drivers license. She deliberately tried to challenge the law by saying she didn’t drive and didn’t have a drivers license but did have a social security card.
Whatroughbeast about 14 years ago
Not related but still amusing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RojRPQq2-Q&feature=playerembedded
TheFinalSolution about 14 years ago
Mexícano
1979 and Ixtoc 1 ring any campanas? :=)
Michigander about 14 years ago
Just a little silly putty will do the job.
GJ_Jehosaphat about 14 years ago
tt wrote: “Is this not Arizona problem, it is national security! Which is FEDERAL! It is an invasion.”
Ok U win! tt volunteers to pay for “The WALL” & personally patrol to keep the “invaders” out. The rest of the country is more concerned about the massive oil spill, war, & the economic mess left by Bush/Cheney reign of incompetency.
Oooh & tt will be out in the fields doing jobs Anglo’s are too lazy to do.