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Boy: You'd think "July" would rhyme with "duly" and "unruly".
Frazz: Truly.
Man: Forgive my puli. She's a little drooly.
Boy: Something smells newly like patchouli.
Frazz: That wrapped up coolly...Julie.
Well, the -ly of âdulyâ is originally from the word âlikeâ, though far back enough that it would have used something similar to the vowel it uses now.
July comes from the Latin name Iulius, same FLEECE vowel. Hereâs what etymonline ( http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=July ) has to say about July:
âJuly ; seventh month, c. 1050, Iulius, from Anglo-French julie [âŠ] Accented on the first syllable in English until 18c.; âthe modern Eng. pronunciation is abnormal and unexplainedâ [OED].â
So, it did rhyme with duly until the 1700s, and nobody knows why it changed, but we do know that the difference isnât for any historical reason.
Yeah, and youâd think ârelyâ might rhyme with âreally,â âmealyâ and âwheelieâ âŠbut some âyâ endings inexplicably fall into the âmy, try, flyâ mold.
I mean âwhyâ do we automatically know not to use the pronunciation of âtryâ in the words âpantryâ or âcountryâ âŠor âfryâ in âbelfry?â
Because English is a patchwork language⊠borrowed and bent, amalgamated and gluedâŠwith Germanic roots and Romance borrowings and no clear lineageâŠ
We learn it by hearing it at a very impressionable age..eventually picking up the separate pronunciations of âcoughâ and âthroughâ and âthoughââŠWe somehow know by osmosis that a âsewerâ sews and a âsewerâ flowsâŠthrough the âsloughâ âŠ. we can âsloughâ off the confusionâŠ.even if it IS âabnormal and unexplained.â
But English as a second languageâŠwow, itâs hard.
Trying to explain it to an adult Spanish speaker, whose native language has simple rules and few exceptionsâŠ. is an uphill battle.
So I try to be understanding of those who have trouble with itâŠand I even try not to laugh at the American tourists in San Francisco, when they make a cockeyed stab at asking for directions to Gough street.
By leaving the EU, England relinquishes further responsibility for a language that has been ⊠borrowed and bent, amalgamated and glued⊠Other countries are required to recognise that they speak a separate language i.e. american, Australian etc The Dutch take over responsibility for the English language, when itâs realised they speak it better than the natives :)
Hah! I like the guy with the Grateful Dead t-shirt! Perfectly drawn, age appropriate, etc! Very, very creative. He should come back as a semi-regular character. The Puli is also quite cutely drawn!!! Todayâs comic, featuring grammar and pronunciation conundrums was very fun and creative. My favorite âFrazzâ in quite a while!
I canât count the times that my name has been written as July and they pronounce it as Julie. Judie/Judy, Jimmie/Jimmy, Beckie, Becky, Cathie/Cathy⊠I guess they see the âyâ and see it as the âeâ sound.
FlyerTomHow is this (obviously fictitious) programme going to deal with the preservation of historic churches? Go Scots Celtic (oops, Keltik)?.Bill MartinIf you canât discuss comics as a serious subject, what can you do here except reduce postings to a phonetic reproduction of laughter and groans, plus the occasional insult to those who want to use their brains?
FlyerTomâŠ.Do you know who wrote that piece?Not long ago, I wanted to post it someplaceâŠbut, though I like it, I couldnât remember enough of it verbatim to Google it.
I Googled it from your version, and found itâŠbut unattributed, and I like to acknowledge my sources.
Nos NevetsâŠ. you get three typos a year free.Or maybe 17, I canât remember.And BTW, please donât rely on that particular opinion of American schools.I went to lots of them, in various places, being an Air Force bratâŠand I think I got a solid education.
nosirrom over 8 years ago
I think July-ed about that. ;-)
Stew Bek Premium Member over 8 years ago
Surely like the Patchouli comment, still have a small bottle of it.
ScientificComicsReader over 8 years ago
Rhyme time with Frazz!
collapsinghrung over 8 years ago
Well, the -ly of âdulyâ is originally from the word âlikeâ, though far back enough that it would have used something similar to the vowel it uses now.
July comes from the Latin name Iulius, same FLEECE vowel. Hereâs what etymonline ( http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=July ) has to say about July:
âJuly ; seventh month, c. 1050, Iulius, from Anglo-French julie [âŠ] Accented on the first syllable in English until 18c.; âthe modern Eng. pronunciation is abnormal and unexplainedâ [OED].â
So, it did rhyme with duly until the 1700s, and nobody knows why it changed, but we do know that the difference isnât for any historical reason.
Ninette over 8 years ago
This may be an appropriate time to remind that verbiage is pronounced in the same way as is foliage and in a different way than is garbage.
Kind&Kinder over 8 years ago
Iâm jest worried them homonyms gonna git more rights than I got!
SusanSunshine Premium Member over 8 years ago
Yeah, and youâd think ârelyâ might rhyme with âreally,â âmealyâ and âwheelieâ âŠbut some âyâ endings inexplicably fall into the âmy, try, flyâ mold.
I mean âwhyâ do we automatically know not to use the pronunciation of âtryâ in the words âpantryâ or âcountryâ âŠor âfryâ in âbelfry?â
Because English is a patchwork language⊠borrowed and bent, amalgamated and gluedâŠwith Germanic roots and Romance borrowings and no clear lineageâŠ
We learn it by hearing it at a very impressionable age..eventually picking up the separate pronunciations of âcoughâ and âthroughâ and âthoughââŠWe somehow know by osmosis that a âsewerâ sews and a âsewerâ flowsâŠthrough the âsloughâ âŠ. we can âsloughâ off the confusionâŠ.even if it IS âabnormal and unexplained.â
But English as a second languageâŠwow, itâs hard.
Trying to explain it to an adult Spanish speaker, whose native language has simple rules and few exceptionsâŠ. is an uphill battle.
So I try to be understanding of those who have trouble with itâŠand I even try not to laugh at the American tourists in San Francisco, when they make a cockeyed stab at asking for directions to Gough street.
Milessio over 8 years ago
By leaving the EU, England relinquishes further responsibility for a language that has been ⊠borrowed and bent, amalgamated and glued⊠Other countries are required to recognise that they speak a separate language i.e. american, Australian etc The Dutch take over responsibility for the English language, when itâs realised they speak it better than the natives :)
JudyAz over 8 years ago
Reminds me of that Dr. Seuss book, âThe tough coughs as he ploughs the doughâ
magicwalnut over 8 years ago
This is what my English as a second language students are up against. That have my sympathyâŠ.
Pipe Tobacco Premium Member over 8 years ago
Hah! I like the guy with the Grateful Dead t-shirt! Perfectly drawn, age appropriate, etc! Very, very creative. He should come back as a semi-regular character. The Puli is also quite cutely drawn!!! Todayâs comic, featuring grammar and pronunciation conundrums was very fun and creative. My favorite âFrazzâ in quite a while!
Terrafurtive over 8 years ago
I was sitting on a rough bough, eating some cookie dough, thinking things through, when I heard a hiccough.
Julie478 Premium Member over 8 years ago
I canât count the times that my name has been written as July and they pronounce it as Julie. Judie/Judy, Jimmie/Jimmy, Beckie, Becky, Cathie/Cathy⊠I guess they see the âyâ and see it as the âeâ sound.
rekam over 8 years ago
Makes me think of âdoorâ and âpoorâ or âboughâ and âcoughâ that my dad had to endure when he was learning English.
markzwaan over 8 years ago
Made me think of the poem âThe Chaosâ (1922) by Dutch literary Gerard Nost TrenitĂ© (aka Charivarius). Itâs a poem that introduces students of the English language to 800 examples of English words that are difficult to pronounce because of how they are written. (just Google: Dearest creature in creation).
Hookoa over 8 years ago
You people take all of this WAAAAY too seriously. ITʻs a COMIC STRIP for heavens sake. Just laugh and move along. Nothing to see here. Holy COW!
hippogriff over 8 years ago
FlyerTomHow is this (obviously fictitious) programme going to deal with the preservation of historic churches? Go Scots Celtic (oops, Keltik)?.Bill MartinIf you canât discuss comics as a serious subject, what can you do here except reduce postings to a phonetic reproduction of laughter and groans, plus the occasional insult to those who want to use their brains?
John Reece over 8 years ago
This is with rhyme, but not reason.
SusanSunshine Premium Member over 8 years ago
FlyerTomâŠ.Do you know who wrote that piece?Not long ago, I wanted to post it someplaceâŠbut, though I like it, I couldnât remember enough of it verbatim to Google it.
I Googled it from your version, and found itâŠbut unattributed, and I like to acknowledge my sources.
Nos NevetsâŠ. you get three typos a year free.Or maybe 17, I canât remember.And BTW, please donât rely on that particular opinion of American schools.I went to lots of them, in various places, being an Air Force bratâŠand I think I got a solid education.
Daeder over 8 years ago
The written English language and vowelsâŠa match made in hell!
John W Kennedy Premium Member over 8 years ago
Actually, around 300 years ago, âJulyâ did rhyme with ânewlyâ and âtrulyâ.
toahero over 8 years ago
I wish that more of the kids would be recurring characters. I love Caulfield, but I would like to get to know his friends better
natbrown.llc over 8 years ago
It hardly wrapped up coulee in the east, as here I hear the heatâs been a beastly feat, roasting up the feet.