As I said before…Harvey is a “Once in 500 Year Storm”, just like Katrina was a “Once in 500 Year Storm”, and Sandy was a “Once in 500 Year Storm”…awful short 1500 years, folks. Can you say…CLIMATE CHANGE???
Trump will go to Texas today and pretend to care. After a few tuff questions from reporters he’ll be pulled away before his anger and contempt spills over and his head explodes. Air Force one will detour to Arizona for a " We love you rally".
I’ve had it up to hear listening to anti-science pollution deniers like Benson. If you want it to stop, how about you help with the solution. Or will you continue pushing Oil, Gasoline and Coal as soon as this crisis is over?
Science is never going to control weather, but science is going to be able to forecast weather patterns to the point that people will be prepared for the worst. Science told us this hurricane was coming early enough that these people had enough warning to leave. Some did. But six million people on the road is not feasible. What we will need now is what we will always need. That is prepared humane disaster relief. More and more so as we get more and more of these once in 500 year weather catastrophes. We used to hear a lot more from FEMA on its disaster relief. so far this time I haven’t heard anything. Stories of people helping people are the ones that are coming out of Texas. Joel Osteen shut his megachurch which could have provided a lot of shelter. How Christian is that?
Liberals seem to forget that the climate has been changing for a very long time.Much longer then humans have been here to see it.The ice started melting 18-19 thousand years ago.The Behring land bridge went under 8000 years ago.
Otzi ,the mummy found in the ice in the Alps got left there 5300 years ago in the middle of the warmest 3500 year period in human history.
What pollution was there back then when the population of the planet was less then the number of people in the greater Houston area?
Check the Sea Ice index.The southern ice cap has been getting bigger at least since they put satellites in polar orbit to look at the ice caps in 1979.
Yea the climate is changing.Always is and always has been.
The arrogance of the left is astounding.Especially when they continue to say global warming is caused by humans.
Study history.Not the B.S. on lefty news nerd websites and tv networks.
Denis is very wise: the fact that the climate has always been changing on its own proves humans cannot cause climate change. And the fact that trees fall in the forest all the time on their own proves no human could ever cut one down.
Denis fails again, and again, and again, and again, and again ….
Sea ice is not ice cap! Sea ice is very thin. Maybe a couple of metersthick as opposed to up to thousands of meters. And the learning disabled deniers consistently fail to understand this.
And the northern sea ice decrease far exceeds the southern sea ice increase.
Of course, those are scientific measurements, of no interest at all to deniers like Denis.
Arctic minimum ice trend (maximums are not so important, because ice melts in the summer, so what counts is what is left at the end of summer).
about 5 times as much sea ice has been lost from the Arctic as has been gained in the Antarctic since 1979. Makes deniers look pretty dumb not to be able to do basic arithmetic.
118 billion tons of ice lost per year. To put that in perspective. 1 cubic km of ice masses 1 billion tons. So 118 cubic km of ice lost per year. At 1 meter thickness, that is 118,000 sq km. (per year!)
Since the late 1970s the Antarctic has gained an average of 7,300 square miles (18,900 sq km) of sea ice a year.
So again, much more ice is lost from the Antarctic ice cap than is gained in sea ice.
The gorilla in the room nobody wants to talk about is the fact that the planet has way to many people. Even the World Health Organization agrees with the fact that there are 3.5 billion to many for the planet to support. The eco system will find a way to defend itself, adjust the problem and ultimately repair itself.
And it’s not only climate scientists who hold this view of AGW. Most of us in biology also think that AGW is real. We see the movement of the southern pine beetle into New England, the spread north of Lyme disease, the presence of striped bass in Maine coastal waters, and we know that this can only be explained by global warming. And that’s only a very few examples of the biological changes we are seeing. The biosphere is sending the same message as the temperature readings and sea level measurements, and the rapid time frame of the biological changes can only be explained by human-produced CO2.
I know of no scientists who will say that Harvey is “proof” of climate change. The rest of you should refrain from doing so.
It is a single event, and proof of nothing more than the variability of the weather. The path taken by the storm has a lot to do with what has happened in Houston. Plus Houston is a flood-friendly plain.
However, that does not mean that warming did not play a part in Harvey’s strength. The waters in the Gulf are warmer than they used to be, and that helps feed the uptake of moisture. As long as those waters continue to warm, the chances for large storms with lots of rainfall is going to increase. Most of the rain will fall relatively near the coast.
There may (the operative word at this moment is may) also be factors related to the weakening of mid-latitude circulation patterns. Some of that is expected from global warming, and is also why we get more “polar vortex” flows. But the ones claiming that polar vortex cold was “proof” that global warming is false are as wrong as the people who claim that Harvey is “proof” of global warming.
The “proof” that hurricanes will offer to support global warming lies in statistics. Global warming does predict that there will be more extreme hurricanes than in the past, but it will take some time to get those statistics.
Sadandconfused9 almost 7 years ago
And POTUS wants us to know he’s keeping an eye on it.
Mats Dahlgren Premium Member almost 7 years ago
Maybe leaving the Paris agreement wasn’t so smart. True, wouldn’t have stopped Harv, but future Harvs can be avoided if we try our best.
Odon Premium Member almost 7 years ago
Of course the Texan contingent will vote for funds, they don’t won’t to be tossed out of office.
Masterskrain almost 7 years ago
As I said before…Harvey is a “Once in 500 Year Storm”, just like Katrina was a “Once in 500 Year Storm”, and Sandy was a “Once in 500 Year Storm”…awful short 1500 years, folks. Can you say…CLIMATE CHANGE???
martens almost 7 years ago
^We’re not ALLOWED to say “climate change”. The Trump admin just ordered that term removed from the NIH websites. (Thanks, “Dr.” Price…)
NeoconMan almost 7 years ago
There is no hurricane in Texas. The liberal media are putting out fake news; it’s all a liberal plot to convince people of climate change.
Ally2005 almost 7 years ago
Trump will go to Texas today and pretend to care. After a few tuff questions from reporters he’ll be pulled away before his anger and contempt spills over and his head explodes. Air Force one will detour to Arizona for a " We love you rally".
Mr. Blawt almost 7 years ago
I’ve had it up to hear listening to anti-science pollution deniers like Benson. If you want it to stop, how about you help with the solution. Or will you continue pushing Oil, Gasoline and Coal as soon as this crisis is over?
Sadandconfused9 almost 7 years ago
Science is never going to control weather, but science is going to be able to forecast weather patterns to the point that people will be prepared for the worst. Science told us this hurricane was coming early enough that these people had enough warning to leave. Some did. But six million people on the road is not feasible. What we will need now is what we will always need. That is prepared humane disaster relief. More and more so as we get more and more of these once in 500 year weather catastrophes. We used to hear a lot more from FEMA on its disaster relief. so far this time I haven’t heard anything. Stories of people helping people are the ones that are coming out of Texas. Joel Osteen shut his megachurch which could have provided a lot of shelter. How Christian is that?
braindead Premium Member almost 7 years ago
Do ya think just maybe some Houston residents would want to hear ’We’re here from the government and we want to help’?
Radish the wordsmith almost 7 years ago
Does this mean that you admit that humans are creating climate change?
denis1112 almost 7 years ago
Liberals seem to forget that the climate has been changing for a very long time.Much longer then humans have been here to see it.The ice started melting 18-19 thousand years ago.The Behring land bridge went under 8000 years ago.
Otzi ,the mummy found in the ice in the Alps got left there 5300 years ago in the middle of the warmest 3500 year period in human history.
What pollution was there back then when the population of the planet was less then the number of people in the greater Houston area?
Check the Sea Ice index.The southern ice cap has been getting bigger at least since they put satellites in polar orbit to look at the ice caps in 1979.
Yea the climate is changing.Always is and always has been.
The arrogance of the left is astounding.Especially when they continue to say global warming is caused by humans.
Study history.Not the B.S. on lefty news nerd websites and tv networks.
The left seems to want utopia or is it udopia.
The easily duped remain so.
Uncle Joe Premium Member almost 7 years ago
“The easily duped remain so.”
Yes, you obviously are easily duped by pseudo-science.
Uncle Joe Premium Member almost 7 years ago
Lisa’s toons after Sandy:
http://www.gocomics.com/lisabenson/2012/10/31?ct=v&cti=873308
Not exactly sympathetic.
superposition almost 7 years ago
Would any of the above comments disappear if only verifiable facts were permitted by the moderators?
Alberta Oil Premium Member almost 7 years ago
Perhaps that wall that is going to keep Mexicans out needs to be built allong the coast to keep the Gulf out
NeoconMan almost 7 years ago
Denis is very wise: the fact that the climate has always been changing on its own proves humans cannot cause climate change. And the fact that trees fall in the forest all the time on their own proves no human could ever cut one down.
Baslim the Beggar Premium Member almost 7 years ago
Denis fails again, and again, and again, and again, and again ….
Sea ice is not ice cap! Sea ice is very thin. Maybe a couple of metersthick as opposed to up to thousands of meters. And the learning disabled deniers consistently fail to understand this.
And the northern sea ice decrease far exceeds the southern sea ice increase.
Of course, those are scientific measurements, of no interest at all to deniers like Denis.
Arctic minimum ice trend (maximums are not so important, because ice melts in the summer, so what counts is what is left at the end of summer).
https://climate.nasa.gov/interactives/global-ice-viewer/#/3
about 5 times as much sea ice has been lost from the Arctic as has been gained in the Antarctic since 1979. Makes deniers look pretty dumb not to be able to do basic arithmetic.
https://climate.nasa.gov/interactives/global-ice-viewer/#/4
118 billion tons of ice lost per year. To put that in perspective. 1 cubic km of ice masses 1 billion tons. So 118 cubic km of ice lost per year. At 1 meter thickness, that is 118,000 sq km. (per year!)
Since the late 1970s the Antarctic has gained an average of 7,300 square miles (18,900 sq km) of sea ice a year.
So again, much more ice is lost from the Antarctic ice cap than is gained in sea ice.
Baslim the Beggar Premium Member almost 7 years ago
Fossil fuel consumption:
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=26912
CO2 variations over 800,000 years…https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-atmospheric-concentrations-greenhouse-gases
And yes, correlation is causation. No other sources are significant.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/which-emits-more-carbon-dioxide-volcanoes-or-human-activities
So much for doltish deniers.
locoboilerguy almost 7 years ago
The gorilla in the room nobody wants to talk about is the fact that the planet has way to many people. Even the World Health Organization agrees with the fact that there are 3.5 billion to many for the planet to support. The eco system will find a way to defend itself, adjust the problem and ultimately repair itself.
martens almost 7 years ago
And it’s not only climate scientists who hold this view of AGW. Most of us in biology also think that AGW is real. We see the movement of the southern pine beetle into New England, the spread north of Lyme disease, the presence of striped bass in Maine coastal waters, and we know that this can only be explained by global warming. And that’s only a very few examples of the biological changes we are seeing. The biosphere is sending the same message as the temperature readings and sea level measurements, and the rapid time frame of the biological changes can only be explained by human-produced CO2.
Baslim the Beggar Premium Member almost 7 years ago
I know of no scientists who will say that Harvey is “proof” of climate change. The rest of you should refrain from doing so.
It is a single event, and proof of nothing more than the variability of the weather. The path taken by the storm has a lot to do with what has happened in Houston. Plus Houston is a flood-friendly plain.
However, that does not mean that warming did not play a part in Harvey’s strength. The waters in the Gulf are warmer than they used to be, and that helps feed the uptake of moisture. As long as those waters continue to warm, the chances for large storms with lots of rainfall is going to increase. Most of the rain will fall relatively near the coast.
There may (the operative word at this moment is may) also be factors related to the weakening of mid-latitude circulation patterns. Some of that is expected from global warming, and is also why we get more “polar vortex” flows. But the ones claiming that polar vortex cold was “proof” that global warming is false are as wrong as the people who claim that Harvey is “proof” of global warming.
The “proof” that hurricanes will offer to support global warming lies in statistics. Global warming does predict that there will be more extreme hurricanes than in the past, but it will take some time to get those statistics.