It’s not a money issue.The fed is mandating that their health insurance supply birth control and morning after drugs.This goes against their teachings.
Most Catholic universities and hospitals are already offering health plans that cover contraceptives. In many states, it’s required by law. And, more importantly, in most places, you can’t hire doctors and nurses if your health-care plan is worse than everyone else’s, they’ll work for the better employers. Their “principles” are remarkably flexible. They’re crying wolf.
The REAL fact is the church is trying to take public money, and private money, and SHOVE THEIR RELIGION DOWN PEOPLE’S THROATS. It is NOT “a government takeover”, it’s called “the Constitution.”
You don’t have to TAKE them, you know. As for being “shoved down the throats” — plenty of evidence. “Under God” forced into the Pledge of Allegiance and our noble motto changed accordingly; the judge who insisted on putting the Ten Commandments up (and how non-Christian is that, anyway), etc., etc., etc.
the Obama mandate that citizens must buy medical insurance is violating the constitution and rights of citizens.-Obama, like all dictators, thinks he has power to mandate whatever he chooses….that faith ministers and ministries must obey Obama rather than the God of the Bible, and that private businesses which insurance companies are, must pay for Obama’s abortion “healthcare” and “preventative medical” treatments as a “right” for every citizen (and probably cover the illegal aliens in the USA)….-of course, the unborn “cancer” and “destroyer of families”—-the baby—-has no rights. Very “christian”……NOT.
churches, the ones loyal to the Bible, provide good things to a community and state and nation….without taxpayer funding, paid for by members of the churches, to teach morality and train people to be law-abiding and self-supporting in obedience to scripture teachings. Churches do many works of helping the poor, such as the Salvation Army’s programs. Orphanages, adoption agencies, counselling, children’s programs, etc.-most church members pay every kind of tax…property, income, sales, etc. and because the Liberals led the government into “taking over” the work of the churches with taxpayer money, is it fair to EXCLUDE faith ministries in using members’ taxpayments? does “justice” or “fairness” ever get a thought from Liberals who want to eliminate Faith organizations if possible and in the meantime to “gag” and stifle Faith works and workers?
Fetuses are not babies. Churches can fund hospitals without government dollars and with fewer government restrictions. The simple fact is that contraceptives are legal and available through our federal health care channels. If church supported hospitals find contraception offensive, then they should not participate in federal health care programs. Period.
You would think with some of these posts that the provision would mean having nuns handing out condoms at the doors of all catholic hospitals. This is a BS non issue, no one is forcing you to you use birth control.
Some folks understand the principal that taxpayer-funded hospitals that want to force religious principles upon patients should not receive those funds; others see this as “government take-over”! It’s really simple: If they take public funds, they should obey public laws. If the latter option is a problem, the solution is to refrain from sucking the government teat for public monies.
@ libby: Your distortion is exemplary of why no one can take your ilk seriously. How can you possibly suggest that Stephen Runnels made the claim that ANYONE is more Godlike than Jesus???
it’s really quite simple. the bill of rights protects individual freedom, among them to practice religion as the individual sees fit.
the church is not a “people”. This is a standard constitutional tension and is found throughout the constitution.
the government can make no law respecting an establishment of religion. No state/federal religion (this is NOT a christian nation. that is a fact. it is a nation of laws).
the rest of the bill of rights goes on to protect the rights of individuals, people.
the church has no rights under the constitution. the people have the right to practice religion freely. NOTHING in obamacare forces people to anything they feel is immoral. Obamacare also doesn’t give any force whatsoever to the church to impose religious beliefs on individuals.
this is exactly constitutional and as it should be.
let me give you an example. jehovas witnesses and christ scientists believe that transfusions are a sin. should the people who work for their organizations as individuals not have the choice of having a transfusion if they need one? careful before you answer that.
many JW and CS refuse transfusions. Many decide to have them. Isn’t that the choice of the individual, rather than their church?
@ dannysixpack -I don’t know why you’re arguing with me — if you read my post, you’ll see that we’re in agreement.For further clarification, states who refuse to abide by federal guidelines regarding highway speeds are not eligible for federal money to improve their highways. It’s the same principle: If you want federal money, you have to obey federal guidelines (or laws).Your post simply reinforced my “twisted” one.
derlehrer over 12 years ago
Like any other organization that wants federal dollars, play by the rules or forfeit the dollars.
josefw over 12 years ago
It’s not a money issue.The fed is mandating that their health insurance supply birth control and morning after drugs.This goes against their teachings.
It’s a religious (moral) policy issue.
oneoldhat over 12 years ago
seperation of church and state is not in the consitution be $ received from medicare is to patient to pay for medical services
Nebulous Premium Member over 12 years ago
Oh yes. It’s SO-O-O-O-O-O-O much better with Wall Street making the medical decisions.
ARodney over 12 years ago
Most Catholic universities and hospitals are already offering health plans that cover contraceptives. In many states, it’s required by law. And, more importantly, in most places, you can’t hire doctors and nurses if your health-care plan is worse than everyone else’s, they’ll work for the better employers. Their “principles” are remarkably flexible. They’re crying wolf.
Dtroutma over 12 years ago
The REAL fact is the church is trying to take public money, and private money, and SHOVE THEIR RELIGION DOWN PEOPLE’S THROATS. It is NOT “a government takeover”, it’s called “the Constitution.”
Motivemagus over 12 years ago
You don’t have to TAKE them, you know. As for being “shoved down the throats” — plenty of evidence. “Under God” forced into the Pledge of Allegiance and our noble motto changed accordingly; the judge who insisted on putting the Ten Commandments up (and how non-Christian is that, anyway), etc., etc., etc.
disgustedtaxpayer over 12 years ago
the Obama mandate that citizens must buy medical insurance is violating the constitution and rights of citizens.-Obama, like all dictators, thinks he has power to mandate whatever he chooses….that faith ministers and ministries must obey Obama rather than the God of the Bible, and that private businesses which insurance companies are, must pay for Obama’s abortion “healthcare” and “preventative medical” treatments as a “right” for every citizen (and probably cover the illegal aliens in the USA)….-of course, the unborn “cancer” and “destroyer of families”—-the baby—-has no rights. Very “christian”……NOT.
disgustedtaxpayer over 12 years ago
churches, the ones loyal to the Bible, provide good things to a community and state and nation….without taxpayer funding, paid for by members of the churches, to teach morality and train people to be law-abiding and self-supporting in obedience to scripture teachings. Churches do many works of helping the poor, such as the Salvation Army’s programs. Orphanages, adoption agencies, counselling, children’s programs, etc.-most church members pay every kind of tax…property, income, sales, etc. and because the Liberals led the government into “taking over” the work of the churches with taxpayer money, is it fair to EXCLUDE faith ministries in using members’ taxpayments? does “justice” or “fairness” ever get a thought from Liberals who want to eliminate Faith organizations if possible and in the meantime to “gag” and stifle Faith works and workers?
curiosity1 over 12 years ago
Fetuses are not babies. Churches can fund hospitals without government dollars and with fewer government restrictions. The simple fact is that contraceptives are legal and available through our federal health care channels. If church supported hospitals find contraception offensive, then they should not participate in federal health care programs. Period.
fargopete over 12 years ago
You would think with some of these posts that the provision would mean having nuns handing out condoms at the doors of all catholic hospitals. This is a BS non issue, no one is forcing you to you use birth control.
RonBerg13 Premium Member over 12 years ago
That isn’t true and you know it.
derlehrer over 12 years ago
Some folks understand the principal that taxpayer-funded hospitals that want to force religious principles upon patients should not receive those funds; others see this as “government take-over”! It’s really simple: If they take public funds, they should obey public laws. If the latter option is a problem, the solution is to refrain from sucking the government teat for public monies.
@ libby: Your distortion is exemplary of why no one can take your ilk seriously. How can you possibly suggest that Stephen Runnels made the claim that ANYONE is more Godlike than Jesus???
dannysixpack over 12 years ago
^No that’s twisted.
it’s really quite simple. the bill of rights protects individual freedom, among them to practice religion as the individual sees fit.
the church is not a “people”. This is a standard constitutional tension and is found throughout the constitution.
the government can make no law respecting an establishment of religion. No state/federal religion (this is NOT a christian nation. that is a fact. it is a nation of laws).
the rest of the bill of rights goes on to protect the rights of individuals, people.
the church has no rights under the constitution. the people have the right to practice religion freely. NOTHING in obamacare forces people to anything they feel is immoral. Obamacare also doesn’t give any force whatsoever to the church to impose religious beliefs on individuals.
this is exactly constitutional and as it should be.
let me give you an example. jehovas witnesses and christ scientists believe that transfusions are a sin. should the people who work for their organizations as individuals not have the choice of having a transfusion if they need one? careful before you answer that.
many JW and CS refuse transfusions. Many decide to have them. Isn’t that the choice of the individual, rather than their church?
derlehrer over 12 years ago
@ dannysixpack -I don’t know why you’re arguing with me — if you read my post, you’ll see that we’re in agreement.For further clarification, states who refuse to abide by federal guidelines regarding highway speeds are not eligible for federal money to improve their highways. It’s the same principle: If you want federal money, you have to obey federal guidelines (or laws).Your post simply reinforced my “twisted” one.