Contrary to the delusions of liberals and members of the democratic national socialist party, you do not have the right to tax people for not buying something.======Do they have the right to tax people for not having children?Then why the “Exemption” for dependents?Same thing.
Why would anyone want health care? No one ever gets sick, or has to pay high cost medical bills. This is America, where the radical rich tell the other 99% what to do.
I think this comment makes clear a difference in attitude. In general, I agree that no one should have a right to use my money to buy things. For example, if you want a new iphone, work and pay for it. That’s true for, I don’t know, maybe 95% of things. But I don’t think it’s true for everything. I don’t think it’s true for highways. I think those should be paid for from general tax revenue, and even those people who don’t drive on the highways should have to contribute — partly because they benefit from the highway system. I don’t think it’s true for education. I think there should be a public education system and it should be funded from general tax revenue, and even those people who don’t have children should contribute. Likewise, I believe that there should be a publicly funded health care system. I think society as a whole benefits, and I don’t want to see any of my fellow citizens to be without health care when they need it. Where I live, in Toronto, we have such a system, and it works pretty well. It’s not perfect, but it’s pretty good. I think it’s part of being a citizen that we all contribute in this way,
I’ll bet you wouldn’t turn down the money if you were elevated to the 1% status. The IRS defines the 1% level as being above 350,000. I’m 65, semi retired and would love to have that much money! Odd how success used to be incentive for hard work, not a punishment in many’s eyes.
There is rationale for providing health care to Americans. I didn’t “buy” wars on Iraq or Afghanistan, or about 60% of spending on “defense” going to the MIC for no actual benefit, but I’m taxed to pay for corporate profits there anyway.
The biggest increase in health care costs over the last 30 years has been to increase CORPORATE PROFITS, not improve actual health care. An MRI is NOT NEEDED for minor injury or easily diagnosed condition, but INSURANCE COMPANIES, NOT DOCTORS, have made them “mandatory” in the minds of a mindless public. Medicare Part D should NEGOTIATE DRUG PRICES, not accept, what REPUBLICANS DEMANDED- paying whatever the “market” sets, and demands! There are dozens, if not hundreds, or thousands of cumulative impact increases in health care costs, DIRECTLY ATTRIBUTABLE to increasing profits, not quality of care. All this, while corporations seek to get lower paid “health care professionals” to do the job of doctors, at lower cost, and increased (again) corporate profits, for “medical company” CEOs, who aren’t even trained to apply a band-aid to an injured finger.
Just as with the Military Industrial Complex, the REAL MONSTER is the Medical Industrial Complex, and THEY have all the mics in the media, to sell their garbage, and outright lies. No, we shouldn’t be taxed to insure corporate profits, but, that’s what Donald Rumsfeld (seller of Tamiflu) and others running the show since Reagan’s presidency, have demanded.
We NEED “single payer” to reduce overhead costs, while maintaining access to PRIVATE doctors and care, but: don’t be confused that “corporate” care is “private” either. It is FAR costlier, and intrusive, than anything “government” can come up with. Notable, the “individual mandate” IS flawed, but it is a flaw of corporatism, NOT “government”.
Yes, repubs are afraid of so many things. I bet over half of them don’t know that the republicans have pushed for this mandate since about Nixon. Reagan was for i,Bush1 and Bush2 were for it.these very same repubs now were for it.. until Obama joined them in being for it.THen it became something they could not be for any more. Because they can’t let themselves agree with him on anything, even if they wanted it first.
That is exactly why the repubs have been pushing for this mandate for over 20 years. They didn’t want to pay for all the freeloaders who weren’t buying themselves insurance and instead ran to emergency rooms for the health care they could not pay for. You think this is a new burden? You are already paying for other peoples healthcare.
this started out as a GOP bill It was written up at the Cato Institute, a conservative think tank.The heritage foundation has approved of it. you can see older videos that show Reagan talking about establishing this, You can find both BUshes trying to get individual mandates. I’v seen them and you can too. Just go see. it was a GOP bill up until the day that Obama decided to agree with them.
Maybe in most cases (provider engenders ripoffs) but not in all cases. My mother has the same rare Cancer that killed Steve Jobs, and what do the drug companies do?.They jack up the prices of the medicines that her doctors proscribe for her to keep her alive —and expect her to pay the thousands not covered by Medicare. Her HMO has a special office set up just to argue with the drug companies on their patients’ behalf to help bring down the cost of the drugs they have to take. Problem is, there is no cure as yet for what she has, so she’s being a willing guinea pig in case others come down with this rare form of Cancer..So you’re mostly right, but that’s okay too.
Even a more simplistic drug, like a sleep medication that DOES work, is advertised falsely. It sells for $5 per pill, and ALL costs of development were paid in about three days of sales after it was allowed to be advertised on TV. The pills would make a viable profit if sold for five CENTS a tablet (wholesale) but instead go for several dollars! Is THAT the “cost effectiveness” typical from pharmaceutical companies granted authority to charge whatever they want under Medicare Part D, under the REPUBLICAN plan??
braindead Premium Member about 12 years ago
I disagree strenuously with this cartoon.`But, it’s funny.
fargopete about 12 years ago
Watch out! Or this will happen.http://youtu.be/co6-tYS9k1U
ransomdstone almost 12 years ago
Payne is always a pain.
Nebulous Premium Member almost 12 years ago
Contrary to the delusions of liberals and members of the democratic national socialist party, you do not have the right to tax people for not buying something.======Do they have the right to tax people for not having children?Then why the “Exemption” for dependents?Same thing.
ninety_nine_percent almost 12 years ago
Why would anyone want health care? No one ever gets sick, or has to pay high cost medical bills. This is America, where the radical rich tell the other 99% what to do.
retpost almost 12 years ago
Congress could work to make this and even better bill, instead their only work is to run for aonther term!
lonecat almost 12 years ago
I think this comment makes clear a difference in attitude. In general, I agree that no one should have a right to use my money to buy things. For example, if you want a new iphone, work and pay for it. That’s true for, I don’t know, maybe 95% of things. But I don’t think it’s true for everything. I don’t think it’s true for highways. I think those should be paid for from general tax revenue, and even those people who don’t drive on the highways should have to contribute — partly because they benefit from the highway system. I don’t think it’s true for education. I think there should be a public education system and it should be funded from general tax revenue, and even those people who don’t have children should contribute. Likewise, I believe that there should be a publicly funded health care system. I think society as a whole benefits, and I don’t want to see any of my fellow citizens to be without health care when they need it. Where I live, in Toronto, we have such a system, and it works pretty well. It’s not perfect, but it’s pretty good. I think it’s part of being a citizen that we all contribute in this way,
Mickey 13 almost 12 years ago
I’ll bet you wouldn’t turn down the money if you were elevated to the 1% status. The IRS defines the 1% level as being above 350,000. I’m 65, semi retired and would love to have that much money! Odd how success used to be incentive for hard work, not a punishment in many’s eyes.
Dtroutma almost 12 years ago
There is rationale for providing health care to Americans. I didn’t “buy” wars on Iraq or Afghanistan, or about 60% of spending on “defense” going to the MIC for no actual benefit, but I’m taxed to pay for corporate profits there anyway.
The biggest increase in health care costs over the last 30 years has been to increase CORPORATE PROFITS, not improve actual health care. An MRI is NOT NEEDED for minor injury or easily diagnosed condition, but INSURANCE COMPANIES, NOT DOCTORS, have made them “mandatory” in the minds of a mindless public. Medicare Part D should NEGOTIATE DRUG PRICES, not accept, what REPUBLICANS DEMANDED- paying whatever the “market” sets, and demands! There are dozens, if not hundreds, or thousands of cumulative impact increases in health care costs, DIRECTLY ATTRIBUTABLE to increasing profits, not quality of care. All this, while corporations seek to get lower paid “health care professionals” to do the job of doctors, at lower cost, and increased (again) corporate profits, for “medical company” CEOs, who aren’t even trained to apply a band-aid to an injured finger.
Just as with the Military Industrial Complex, the REAL MONSTER is the Medical Industrial Complex, and THEY have all the mics in the media, to sell their garbage, and outright lies. No, we shouldn’t be taxed to insure corporate profits, but, that’s what Donald Rumsfeld (seller of Tamiflu) and others running the show since Reagan’s presidency, have demanded.
We NEED “single payer” to reduce overhead costs, while maintaining access to PRIVATE doctors and care, but: don’t be confused that “corporate” care is “private” either. It is FAR costlier, and intrusive, than anything “government” can come up with. Notable, the “individual mandate” IS flawed, but it is a flaw of corporatism, NOT “government”.
Heavy B almost 12 years ago
Safeguards, you mean regulations? I thought regulations were job killers?
pam Miner almost 12 years ago
Yes, repubs are afraid of so many things. I bet over half of them don’t know that the republicans have pushed for this mandate since about Nixon. Reagan was for i,Bush1 and Bush2 were for it.these very same repubs now were for it.. until Obama joined them in being for it.THen it became something they could not be for any more. Because they can’t let themselves agree with him on anything, even if they wanted it first.
pam Miner almost 12 years ago
That is exactly why the repubs have been pushing for this mandate for over 20 years. They didn’t want to pay for all the freeloaders who weren’t buying themselves insurance and instead ran to emergency rooms for the health care they could not pay for. You think this is a new burden? You are already paying for other peoples healthcare.
pam Miner almost 12 years ago
this started out as a GOP bill It was written up at the Cato Institute, a conservative think tank.The heritage foundation has approved of it. you can see older videos that show Reagan talking about establishing this, You can find both BUshes trying to get individual mandates. I’v seen them and you can too. Just go see. it was a GOP bill up until the day that Obama decided to agree with them.
Dtroutma almost 12 years ago
Ima: didn’t realize there were that many dishes for you to wash at Burger King to work your way into the 1%!
Ketira almost 12 years ago
Maybe in most cases (provider engenders ripoffs) but not in all cases. My mother has the same rare Cancer that killed Steve Jobs, and what do the drug companies do?.They jack up the prices of the medicines that her doctors proscribe for her to keep her alive —and expect her to pay the thousands not covered by Medicare. Her HMO has a special office set up just to argue with the drug companies on their patients’ behalf to help bring down the cost of the drugs they have to take. Problem is, there is no cure as yet for what she has, so she’s being a willing guinea pig in case others come down with this rare form of Cancer..So you’re mostly right, but that’s okay too.
Dtroutma almost 12 years ago
Even a more simplistic drug, like a sleep medication that DOES work, is advertised falsely. It sells for $5 per pill, and ALL costs of development were paid in about three days of sales after it was allowed to be advertised on TV. The pills would make a viable profit if sold for five CENTS a tablet (wholesale) but instead go for several dollars! Is THAT the “cost effectiveness” typical from pharmaceutical companies granted authority to charge whatever they want under Medicare Part D, under the REPUBLICAN plan??