Doonesbury by Garry Trudeau for January 03, 2016

Everybody needs a role model.

Right.

Lame…

Hate to tell you, Mr. Trudeau, but I don’t think many people reading this ’toon know who Joe McCarthy was…

Old white Texas voters loved McCarthy, so unfortunately this is in his favor and explains why he got elected. The more you’re like McCarthy, the better chance you have to be elected to office in Texas.

hey GB!!..we may need you back on the desk full time during the course of this last round of electoral spasms and contractions..i’m canadian..as a nation we implore you…i tried to spell ‘paryoxims’ and failed miserably..happy new year dude.

Funny thing, when they did the mass declassification of documents in the 1990’s, we found McCarthy was right more than he was wrong, the government WAS littered with leftist sympathizers who were then banned from getting security clearances.

Many of them, their government jobs lost, went into Journalism, media, and “public advocacy”. They realized the descendants of those who fought WWII couldn’t be fooled, but, perhaps with enough misinformation floating around, their children could be.

If the US had lroscribed left wing activities I wonder where the trade unionists who created the US middle class came from.

*Proscribed

I hate it when I agree with Garry Trudeau.

Ted Cruz is what you get when you cross Joe McCarthy with Pee Wee Herman.

In the early 1950’s my father was a special agent with the FBI. The US Senate directed the FBI to monitor the American Communist Party i.e compile a list of party members, conduct surveillance on their meetings, and periodically report their findings to the Senate. Everyone in the FBI knew what a joke this directive was. These were American citizens exercising their constitutional rights and the vast majority of them were not involved with espionage. Rather it was good old intelligence work and decryption of Soviet communiques which lead to the uncovering of Soviet spies in this country.

@nosirrom

And ultimately, there were as many American spies in the Kremlin as there were soviet spies in congress.

this is AMERICA!

if you can’t spell ‘caligula’ correctly,you have to share your pepsi with EVERYBODY!!

Senator McCarthy didn’t corner the market on 2-bit.

Many of McCarthy’s problems (you know, the chronic dishonesty, the insanity, the constant sweating…….) stemmed from his addiction to alcohol and other drugs. Trump and Cruz, both modern McCarthys, are addicted to themselves, which in some ways seems even more pathetic.

This is too true to be funny.

Roland did what too many “reporters” do today. Instead of calling for a reaction, he decided that the comment really was a slur without the reaction and missed the real story.

Canadian cartoonist Len Norris from 1953:“All this talk about McCarthy — what ever happened to Bergen?”

I knew two workers from a mental hospital where he spent his last 20 years or so. One of them played pool with him. The other danced with him, being held in his arms ballroom style. Is that a better story?

McCarthy went after left leaning people and banned them from the goverment and other jobs. The problem here is it is your right to believe the way you want, most of the people he messed with were loyal Americans, they just believed that their country would be better if:….. That is thier right and thier responsability as Americans….. Now, conspiring with a foriegn goverment, that is another matter entirely

Joe McCarthy, Jesse Helms, Gov Wallace, David Duke, all pretty much interchangeable.

How quickly people forget.Well, it has been almost 60 years since McCarthy died (1957).

“Plenty of cover ups to go around. Just as criminality comes in two flavors-D and R.”.Nonetheless, it is best to not defend one criminal by pointing out that there are other criminals.

@Night-Gaunt49“ Just as criminality comes in two flavors-D and R.”.It occurs to me, even Independents may sometimes be criminals. Surely you don’t have to join a political party to commit crime, even though they might resent the competition.

The sort of man “Tail Gunner” Joe really was is revealed by this quote from his Wikipedia page:.He flew twelve combat missions as a gunner-observer, earning the nickname of “Tail-Gunner Joe” in the course of one of these missions..He later claimed 32 missions in order to qualify for a Distinguished Flying Cross, which he received in 1952. McCarthy publicized a letter of commendation which he claimed had been signed by his commanding officer and countersigned by Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, then Chief of Naval Operations. However, it was revealed that McCarthy had written this letter himself, in his capacity as intelligence officer. A “war wound” that McCarthy made the subject of varying stories involving airplane crashes or anti-aircraft fire was in fact received aboard ship during a ceremony for sailors crossing the equator for the first time..It was also revealed that the “nickname” was his Own invention, not one given him by his fellow Marines..

Nice! Slamming two demagogues in one strip!

Bravo, Mr. Trudeau!!!

“Lying traitor” Joe (McCarthy) works got me.

@DavidHuieGreen“They should be called Crusaders if they want to invade Muslim countries and convert them to Christians or just kill them.”.That was what the Crusaders pretended to do.Their real goal was to loot and plunder for the Catholic Church’s favor.Who are we talking about doing it today?

“Who was defending? Just showing there is a wider element to a narrow biased critique.”.I accept that.Still think criminality is not strictly limited to political parties.Am amused at the thought.

By the way, I did read up on the 2013 release of tapes by the Johnson Library since the earlier posts..I agree it was a bad thing to do..That said, the 1799 Logan Act did not define violations as “treason” but as felonies.The Logan Act required it be interference in disputes between nations, which this matter could be argued does not describe the interference with our allies..It is interesting that President Johnson notified HHH in case he wanted to use it for political gain..We are assuming the information was accurate, but we DO know McNamara lied to or at least misinformed LBJ resulting in the Gulf of Tonkin resolution and the deaths of everybody on both sides killed in the war as well as the subsequent fall of Cambodia and more than a million deaths there..None of this excuses RMN.Nor the fact that the Logan Act is probably unconstitutional anyway.

@Tomielm@DavidHuieGreen“if holding up a mirror to you is being a bully, then so be it. You dish it out with abandon, but apparently can’t handle the backlash”.Backlash?Can’t handle??You’ve confused me.What mirror?What is the backlash and how am I not handling whatever it is??And yes, you are obviously trying to bully with your attempt to drive me away in tears, even if all you’ve done is confuse me by how you seem to think I am cowering or trying to make others cower..Your first attempt was more artful.You aren’t a one-shot wit, I hope.I thought ~ mistakenly, it seems ~ you were being subtle..Maybe you were just parroting someone else who IS artful and I missed it..My bad.

So a quick search, looking for unbiased reporting took me to Reddit.From 2015 answer looks like no support for the “historical fact”, more like “The Iranians didn’t do what President Carter wanted, so the evil mastermind Reagan must have persuaded them to delay, not just until the election but until the day he was sworn in.”.Maybe you have something more substantial to prove they delayed because they loved Reagan rather than because Carter had convinced them Reagan would nuke Iran and all surrounding nations if Americans were still held hostage when he became president..

.“This theory goes by the name of “October Suprise” because of a book by the same name by Gary Sick. The basic allegation is that William Casey, Reagan’s campaign manager who had CIA connections, conducted secret negotiations with the Iranians. Congress investigated this theory in 1992-3 and released a House report and a Senate report that the evidence for the theory wasn’t well founded..The basics of the hostage deal that ended the Iran Hostage Crisis was that assets of Iran frozen by the US would be unfrozen and that the US would allow the Iranian regime to sue the Shah’s family holding assets abroad in exchange for return of the hostages..In Mark Bowden’s book, “Guests of the Ayatollah”, interviews with Iranians involved in the hostage negotiations suggest that their motivation to do the deal was that they needed the frozen funds for military equipment for the war with Iraq that started in September 1980 (i.e. before the U.S. election). Iran made several last minute overtures to the U.S. before the election day which were refused by the Carter administration because they were not in U.S. interests, even though a deal would have profited Carter politically. Negotiations by the Carter administration continued for the three months between the elections and Reagan’s inauguration. Carter’s hand in negotiations was strengthened by the fact that Reagan was not guaranteed to continue negotiations and his public remarks implied (without stating) he might consider a bloody military reprisal. Bowden’s interviews with Iranians involved suggest that they decided to delay the deal’s completion until the last moment as a deliberate effort to insult and humiliate the Carter administration they had opposed for several years."

T&G@DavidHuieGreen“Now you are ignoring all the Evidence that came out during the Iran / Contra scandal showing that people from the Reagan Campaign really Did make a deal with the Iranian hostage takers.”.“Reagan himself Was never implicated, but his Campaign Advisers were dirty right up to their Eyebrows.”.I’m not ignoring it, just not aware of it.Point me down the right path.I already know RWR did other things which were impeachable, heard him admit it, but we are dealing with this particular charge right now. The original charge, according to you, is false. Even at that, I find it hard to believe considering it was Carter who rejected terms and that they hated him as the embodiment of The Great Satan..If you want to accuse a person, stick to what he actually did and you can prove, otherwise you weaken all you say from then on.

Kind of funny how silent people have become once it turned out the b******* was correct and Communists were busy infiltrating the government at many levels including the State Department.

Even the entertainment industry was targeted.

Sure, he was anathema to the Constitution but when someone yells “fire” it’s better to see if something’s burning before you comment on their hygiene or methods.

Amazing what has come out since the fall of the Soviet Empire.