As mentioned before, for a small enclosed space, a broadcast needs very limited power, so no risk of EM leakage to outside. And I just thought of something, regarding the potential weakness for detection of Endtown. Any real attempt to detect it via gravimetrics or seismic analysis could do so easily (though very clever technology could mask it from seismics) but I’d WAG that the Topsiders wouldn’t consider that Endtown is anywhere near that size, so wouldn’t bother to try that type of detection. They’d more likely consider it little more than a network of tunnels and little bunkers, difficult to find if buried to any real depth, so not worth the effort.
Aaron are you a three stooges fan? And the radio over his head is likin to the one tormenting Al. Casual conversations should get more concerning in the next few weeks. Might even bring up cults in favor of and against, or discussion groups with popular Endtowners expressing their opinions. OH boy we have a lot of maybes here and even more characters we haven’t met yet. Looking forward to it. Thanks Aaron. Blessed Ber
as endtown is underground, space for an antenna is at a minimum, so it’s also safe to say that frequencies below our upper vhf band probably wouldn’t be considered. uhf would be possible, considering the directivity of the signal (practically line of sight) and how attenuated the signal is upon hitting barriers (i.e.-walls, tunnel roofs, etc.).
The bird type guy makes me think of Harpo Marx. was it the fluffy or curly light colored hair. So many cute faces around. Even a walrus is good looking here.
And I just realized why they have radios instead of wireless hand-held feeds. Both Amesworth and conventional radiations would toast unprotected ICs. EMP is over-rated for individual bits of equipment, especially as there are all kinds of ways to protect circuitry, but rads directly attack high-density ICs and Ghod-only-knows what Amesworth might do. Tubes or early generation transistors are really robust against all but really massive rad rates.
I thought of Harpo Marx, too. And the walrus was…Stan. Oh well. Actually, Algood may have already won. Most of the people I have seen are still as human as ever, From Al & Gustine to Algood & Velda.
Yes I see a look like Harpo Marx. It is the hair, hat and my imagination. I am glad that others saw it to. I could not remember the name until I saw others posting about it..A good layer of earth and stone with any decent amount of metals in it wold reflect any radio waves back into endtown. Well any radio waves that it does not just absorb..Re-bar reinforced concrete or other wire mesh in the ceiling would help with that.
Certainly going to be quite the show put on. Considering the defendants didn’t break any laws per se, it really is going to be a farce. But, possibly a farce that will set precedent.
Considering technology, how many realized that was a television in the foreground of panel four? I remember seeing a few examples like that in TV repair shops as a kid in the 50’s and they were outdated then. It’s like the technology for most things stopped at post WWII.As far as I understand Amesworth radiation, I don’t think it would do anything to non-biological materials because it’s effect was turning living things into dust, leaving buildings and such undisturbed except in high concentrations. The explosives were to disperse the radiation and the normal destruction by the explosives is what damaged the buildings. I’m basing this on Sparkplug’s flashbacks in volume two.What the radiation seems to do is separate oxygen from hydrogen in water molecules, essentially removing the water from living organisms. Without water, biological organisms would turn to dust. Luckily, it has an extremely short half-life or nothing could still exist on land.
I was thinking about that. There are so-called “carrier current” radio stations on some college campuses in which the station doesn’t actually send its signal over-the-air in the traditional sense, but sends it through the wiring running through the dorms. I believe the wires then radiate the signal through nearby radios. Someone can correct me on the tech stuff, but I think that’s how it’s done. No FCC license needed, which saves a LOT of money and allows you to use George Carlin’s seven little words without being fined.
“Considering technology, how many realized that was a television in the foreground of panel four?”#“Good eye! Now, do you remember how that kind of TV worked?”#Couldn’t find a picture of that precise model, but from its appearance, I’d say somewhere between 1945 and 1950. Maybe a Motorola. (Don’t think I know more than I know: I just Googled “antique televesion sets” and looked at the images for sites.)#Copied the original post, deleted it, then redid it here. How do you guys get good paragraph separation?
On a semi related note. I’m wondering when we’ll see what Velda’s angle is. I’m fairly certain that she has found a way to proffit from this trial but how? Is she planning to run something like an underground mutant foodstuffs racket and needs the High Council to force it more proffitably underground? Is she working for someone else? Is she afraid of anybody? There are so many interesting ways her story can go.
I take the guy with the newspaper to be a chicken and the other one to be a walrus. Or to put it another way, “he is the Eggman and he is the Walrus.” Goo goo ga joob.
I am a bit late but I do remember those old TVs with the micro screen. There was a big glass magnifier you could roll in front to make the screen more visible. My grandmother had one in her basement. Still worked.I also remember TV techs would come to your house if your TV was acting up. He had big box full of tubes. Cathode Ray tubes where what they were called. Neatest things in the world to me at that age. 1955,56 and so. You turn the TV on and hear this humming as it warmed up. Play with the horizontal control when it would begin to just roll over and over. Get all wavy so you had to balance the vertical control with the horizontal control. All done by hands and small buttons hidden under secret panels. I remember when the TVs began to get bigger warnings issued as the TV emitted lots of radiation. I remember the first transistor radios coming from Japan back in the day. PORTABLE radios man, that was the rage.My dad had a room size AM/FM HIFI radio and record player. Played HIFI. Before the days of Stereo. It used tubes to power the entire thing. Two separate large cabinets. One for the electronics and the other with a booster to put on the other side of the room. All used tubes to operate and were considered in the time State of the Art in electronics.It had been discussed in old Popular Science magazines of one day making MICRO tubes to replace those big ones. The invention of the transistor changed it all.
Just a side note, there are high end audio amplifiers today which use state-of-the-art MOSFETS for one stage and tubes for the other. This is because only tubes can reproduce sound with the warmth, accuracy and clarity demanded by audiophiles. Personally, I don’t believe those of us over 50 can tell the difference! ;-)
Unfortunately, there are no longer any USA tube makers and most now come from Russia.
Remember the elevator? Endtown is apparently very, very far undreground. From the apparent span across the town I would estimate radio and even TV could be broadcast with no more than 20 watts; even 3 feet of rock would block that.
Being underground Endtown can’t be really big. If you have ever lived in a small town, then you know everything because of the gossip. Why do they need televisions? Anyway the Topsiders probably went to a digital signal and Entown is still analog. :-)
bikenboatn over 11 years ago
Radio and TV broadcasts without the Topsiders discovering them? Wonder how they manage to keep the signal that well confined?
DADOF3 over 11 years ago
Ah, government stimulus program! ;-)
Steve Bartholomew over 11 years ago
The signal is in an enclosed space underground, nothing leaks out.
stevegallacci over 11 years ago
As mentioned before, for a small enclosed space, a broadcast needs very limited power, so no risk of EM leakage to outside. And I just thought of something, regarding the potential weakness for detection of Endtown. Any real attempt to detect it via gravimetrics or seismic analysis could do so easily (though very clever technology could mask it from seismics) but I’d WAG that the Topsiders wouldn’t consider that Endtown is anywhere near that size, so wouldn’t bother to try that type of detection. They’d more likely consider it little more than a network of tunnels and little bunkers, difficult to find if buried to any real depth, so not worth the effort.
dirtyoldlady1 over 11 years ago
Aaron are you a three stooges fan? And the radio over his head is likin to the one tormenting Al. Casual conversations should get more concerning in the next few weeks. Might even bring up cults in favor of and against, or discussion groups with popular Endtowners expressing their opinions. OH boy we have a lot of maybes here and even more characters we haven’t met yet. Looking forward to it. Thanks Aaron. Blessed Ber
firedome over 11 years ago
as endtown is underground, space for an antenna is at a minimum, so it’s also safe to say that frequencies below our upper vhf band probably wouldn’t be considered. uhf would be possible, considering the directivity of the signal (practically line of sight) and how attenuated the signal is upon hitting barriers (i.e.-walls, tunnel roofs, etc.).
then, theres catv…
pam Miner over 11 years ago
The bird type guy makes me think of Harpo Marx. was it the fluffy or curly light colored hair. So many cute faces around. Even a walrus is good looking here.
stevegallacci over 11 years ago
And I just realized why they have radios instead of wireless hand-held feeds. Both Amesworth and conventional radiations would toast unprotected ICs. EMP is over-rated for individual bits of equipment, especially as there are all kinds of ways to protect circuitry, but rads directly attack high-density ICs and Ghod-only-knows what Amesworth might do. Tubes or early generation transistors are really robust against all but really massive rad rates.
Francis362003 over 11 years ago
If the radio bands are AM only it would be contained in Endtown only.
crookedwolf Premium Member over 11 years ago
The milk trial slogan.. Got Milk?
Herb Thiel Premium Member over 11 years ago
I thought of Harpo Marx, too. And the walrus was…Stan. Oh well. Actually, Algood may have already won. Most of the people I have seen are still as human as ever, From Al & Gustine to Algood & Velda.
BBWolf128 over 11 years ago
Yes I see a look like Harpo Marx. It is the hair, hat and my imagination. I am glad that others saw it to. I could not remember the name until I saw others posting about it..A good layer of earth and stone with any decent amount of metals in it wold reflect any radio waves back into endtown. Well any radio waves that it does not just absorb..Re-bar reinforced concrete or other wire mesh in the ceiling would help with that.
Gildedtongue over 11 years ago
Certainly going to be quite the show put on. Considering the defendants didn’t break any laws per se, it really is going to be a farce. But, possibly a farce that will set precedent.
Ida No over 11 years ago
The Topsiders use incredibly advanced tech. It would never occur to them to check for anything that uses just a crystal and a couple loops of wire.
mr_sherman Premium Member over 11 years ago
I was thinking of the mythbuseters considering the walrus first. I know Jamie Hyneman’s bald, but the mustache fits.
Robert Nowall Premium Member over 11 years ago
Maybe they have cable radio…
mr_sherman Premium Member over 11 years ago
Considering technology, how many realized that was a television in the foreground of panel four? I remember seeing a few examples like that in TV repair shops as a kid in the 50’s and they were outdated then. It’s like the technology for most things stopped at post WWII.As far as I understand Amesworth radiation, I don’t think it would do anything to non-biological materials because it’s effect was turning living things into dust, leaving buildings and such undisturbed except in high concentrations. The explosives were to disperse the radiation and the normal destruction by the explosives is what damaged the buildings. I’m basing this on Sparkplug’s flashbacks in volume two.What the radiation seems to do is separate oxygen from hydrogen in water molecules, essentially removing the water from living organisms. Without water, biological organisms would turn to dust. Luckily, it has an extremely short half-life or nothing could still exist on land.
Guilty Bystander over 11 years ago
I was thinking about that. There are so-called “carrier current” radio stations on some college campuses in which the station doesn’t actually send its signal over-the-air in the traditional sense, but sends it through the wiring running through the dorms. I believe the wires then radiate the signal through nearby radios. Someone can correct me on the tech stuff, but I think that’s how it’s done. No FCC license needed, which saves a LOT of money and allows you to use George Carlin’s seven little words without being fined.
Robert Nowall Premium Member over 11 years ago
Perhaps, too, the Endtowners us amplitude modulation, whereas the Topsiders use frequency modulation.
Robert Nowall Premium Member over 11 years ago
“Considering technology, how many realized that was a television in the foreground of panel four?”#“Good eye! Now, do you remember how that kind of TV worked?”#Couldn’t find a picture of that precise model, but from its appearance, I’d say somewhere between 1945 and 1950. Maybe a Motorola. (Don’t think I know more than I know: I just Googled “antique televesion sets” and looked at the images for sites.)#Copied the original post, deleted it, then redid it here. How do you guys get good paragraph separation?
Darwinskeeper over 11 years ago
On a semi related note. I’m wondering when we’ll see what Velda’s angle is. I’m fairly certain that she has found a way to proffit from this trial but how? Is she planning to run something like an underground mutant foodstuffs racket and needs the High Council to force it more proffitably underground? Is she working for someone else? Is she afraid of anybody? There are so many interesting ways her story can go.
Robert Nowall Premium Member over 11 years ago
I take the guy with the newspaper to be a chicken and the other one to be a walrus. Or to put it another way, “he is the Eggman and he is the Walrus.” Goo goo ga joob.
Vet Premium Member over 11 years ago
I am a bit late but I do remember those old TVs with the micro screen. There was a big glass magnifier you could roll in front to make the screen more visible. My grandmother had one in her basement. Still worked.I also remember TV techs would come to your house if your TV was acting up. He had big box full of tubes. Cathode Ray tubes where what they were called. Neatest things in the world to me at that age. 1955,56 and so. You turn the TV on and hear this humming as it warmed up. Play with the horizontal control when it would begin to just roll over and over. Get all wavy so you had to balance the vertical control with the horizontal control. All done by hands and small buttons hidden under secret panels. I remember when the TVs began to get bigger warnings issued as the TV emitted lots of radiation. I remember the first transistor radios coming from Japan back in the day. PORTABLE radios man, that was the rage.My dad had a room size AM/FM HIFI radio and record player. Played HIFI. Before the days of Stereo. It used tubes to power the entire thing. Two separate large cabinets. One for the electronics and the other with a booster to put on the other side of the room. All used tubes to operate and were considered in the time State of the Art in electronics.It had been discussed in old Popular Science magazines of one day making MICRO tubes to replace those big ones. The invention of the transistor changed it all.
Jenner Premium Member over 11 years ago
Two lovely characterisations
rvonluchen over 11 years ago
What else is on?
JanBic Premium Member over 11 years ago
Just a side note, there are high end audio amplifiers today which use state-of-the-art MOSFETS for one stage and tubes for the other. This is because only tubes can reproduce sound with the warmth, accuracy and clarity demanded by audiophiles. Personally, I don’t believe those of us over 50 can tell the difference! ;-)
Unfortunately, there are no longer any USA tube makers and most now come from Russia.
JanBic Premium Member over 11 years ago
Has anyone else had trouble reaching the Doc Rat site?
I have not been able to open it since Tuesday.
JanBic Premium Member over 11 years ago
Disregard previous post!
Doc Rat is back. Must have been gremlins in my system.
craigwestlake over 11 years ago
Remember the elevator? Endtown is apparently very, very far undreground. From the apparent span across the town I would estimate radio and even TV could be broadcast with no more than 20 watts; even 3 feet of rock would block that.
The Life I Draw Upon over 11 years ago
Being underground Endtown can’t be really big. If you have ever lived in a small town, then you know everything because of the gossip. Why do they need televisions? Anyway the Topsiders probably went to a digital signal and Entown is still analog. :-)
unidyne over 11 years ago
Right side of panel 4: Mechanical TV set with a Nipkow scanner disc. Nice touch.