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Pearls Before Swine by Stephan Pastis for July 30, 2015
July 29, 2015
July 31, 2015
Transcript:
Pig: Hey, tenured professor Bob. Is there any way for your university to fire you? Like what if you took a bow and arrow and shot a colleague in the back?
Bob: How many times?
Pig: I see.
Bob: Less than three is a real gray area.
rwillpatbar  Since the âless/fewerâ shibboleth is largely foolish he could easily be a descriptive grammarian, and your âClearlyâ is clearly not clear!.  Remember: âPeeve not less ye be peeved against!â
Thatâs fine with things that can be smoothly divided â like weight, time, and distance. For example, âhow long should I expect it to take?â âoh, certainly not fewer than about an hour and a quarterâ â doesnât work, does it?But arrows canât be divided like that without becoming not-arrows (no such thing as âabout an arrow and a quarterâ). So, for arrows, itâs definitely âfewerâ, and definitely not âlessâ.
As a mathematician, we use the continuous/discrete criteria for determining less or fewer. With a discrete quantity, we use fewer. With continuous quantities, we use less. This rule applies even when the object is merely implied in the expression.
âLessâ goes with âhow muchâ; âfewerâ goes with âhow manyâ. Arrows are discrete (you canât fire 2.718 arrows at someone) so it should definitely be âfewer than threeâ.
If someone says something and you know what they mean that is called communicating using language. Nitpicking is futile because language changes with use, it is not static, never was, never will be.
To those who responded to my query about Pastisâ beef with tenure:Full disclosure â I am a semi-retired teacherAlso, tenure has become a big issue here in New Jersey. Institutes of higher learning have been hiring adjuncts in large numbers with meager salaries and no benefits.So the other side of the coin is tarnished as well.
âComplete job security no matter how badly you perform or behave.â
Thatâs incorrect. âJob security,â yes. âComplete,â no. Tenure protects the employee from being fired without reason. It requires due process for the terminated. It also does not âguaranteeâ a job. It only âguaranteesâ a job as long as the position exists. If the position is no longer needed, the employer can transfer or terminate the employee. Are there abuses? Sure. Just like there are people in any line of work that will use sick days to take a vacation, or use their position to gain favors. But most people want to do their job well, both for personal pride in their work and because they are obligated to do their best. Attack the abuses on a case-by-case basis but not the general intent of tenure. I have seen tenured teachers fired, through due process, for gross misbehavior, breach of contract, and, yes, even incompetence. It may seem that tenure is unnecessary protection for teachers but nothing could be further from the truth. Tenure came about because teachers could be fired on a momentâs notice for any reason and for no reason. (Some districts abused this by letting go of experienced, more expensive teachers and replacing them with younger, less expensive teachers - simply to save money.)
Tenure is not a guarantee of secure employment. Not even close. Strange that as a âProfâs hubbieâ you would perpetuate that myth. One less charitable than myself might think that having gotten something like that so completely wrong, along with the Chuck icon usually used by the childish, that youâre not really married to a âProfâ.
could we please remember that most dentists are nice people, not lion killers or steve martin in âlittle shop of horrorsâ otherwise my dadâll start sounding off about how dentists are badly portrayed in the media. that can take awhile
Bob obviously works for the wrong university⊠Heck, I pincushioned a colleague here at [REDACTED] with a dozen arrows and I just got a warning letter from HR!
oh stephan, stephan you have broken my heart. i believed you to be an educated man when i selected you as my favorite cartoonist, but you AND the tenured professor need to have your asses fired! Itâs âFEWER than threeâ not âless thanâ idiota! oh wait, wait, wait, maybe it doesnât matter that much, cuz you ARE very reliably funny (except leave your poor exwife alone)
Yiddish is a distinct language with an entirely separate grammar, vocabulary and alphabet.Ebonics is a BS scam invented purely to get more money to teach English as a Second Language.
@John SmithI went to a public college that was known for the quality of its faculty. The tenured professors had reached their positions after years of teaching, research, and publishing. We used to joke that once they got tenure, they could spend their time shooting baskets all day. But that wasnât the case; most of them continued to research and publish in their fields. The vilification of teachers and professors is the latest trend in finding new scapegoats.
I didnât realize that was a bow kill. Thought he lured the Lion out of the area and then shot him with a rifle.To be honest I havenât read the articles.
With my respects: The non-grammatic discussion missed the point of the story; the emphasis is not on tenure, itâs on back-stabbing and its relation to tenure. And it speaks to many peopleâs heart.
As about âlessâ, to my non-native english speakersâ eyes it sounded as a cute piece of jargon (as in âIâll make some slight fun of what you say by taking the answer to your question and redirecting it, talking about the number itself than the actual counting, you know like slang usually doesâ).
@mammamoonbeam. Agreed. Iâm so tired of educators at all levels being bashed. Race To The Top, No Child Left Behind â no educational reform of any sort (not that I support either one of these disasters) will ever be successful in this country because this country does not value education nor teachers. I am quite disappointed in Pastis, here. Keep this message up and watch this country fall further behind.
Imagine that the governor of a state has a certain economic plan. And suppose a professor at a major university in that state (who knows far more about economics than said governor) criticizes that plan. You have tenure so that the governor cannot simply go and fire the professor for exercising his right to free speech.
Who gets offered tenure anymore, when they can hire adjuncts and pay them less than minimum wage if theyâre doing a good job preparing for their classes?
You got it wrong this time, Pastis. Of course Tenured Professor Bob would not lose his job for skewering a colleague in the back. True, taking the shot from a distance with a bow and arrow, rather than planting a knife squarely between the shoulder blades in the time-honored manner, is, well, unsportsmanlike and would look poorly in a post-tenure review. But grounds for dismissal? Good gracious, no! All in a dayâs work in the hallowed halls of academe. I believe, however, that emphasizing the B-and-A scenario is a cunning ruse on TPBâs part, playing to the bourgeois morals of the ingenuous Pig, and deflecting attention from the his true professional shortcomings. TPB should know that the countable number of arrows requires âfewerâ rather than âless,â and the adjective âgrayâ requires an adverb as modifier (thus, âreally gray,â not âreal grayâ). Goat would have known better! The question remains whether an illiterate Tenured Professor Bob should stay employed. Tenure, he would surely point out, guarantees freedom of speech, which presumably includes the right to speak ungrammatically. (And if he knew enough to say, âI was speaking colloquially,â heâd likely get a merit raise.)
BE THIS GUY over 9 years ago
Donât worry, the Professor is a real bad shot.
Sherlock Watson over 9 years ago
I have an idea â letâs sic Tenured Professor Bob on Jef the Cyclist!:Two wrongs can make a right, as long as the right wrong wins!
knight1192a over 9 years ago
Ok, obviously I havenât seen the news because I need to ask what happened. Some one go on a killing spree with a bow?
Richard Howland-Bolton Premium Member over 9 years ago
rwillpatbar  Since the âless/fewerâ shibboleth is largely foolish he could easily be a descriptive grammarian, and your âClearlyâ is clearly not clear!.  Remember: âPeeve not less ye be peeved against!â
Widmerpool over 9 years ago
Thatâs fine with things that can be smoothly divided â like weight, time, and distance. For example, âhow long should I expect it to take?â âoh, certainly not fewer than about an hour and a quarterâ â doesnât work, does it?But arrows canât be divided like that without becoming not-arrows (no such thing as âabout an arrow and a quarterâ). So, for arrows, itâs definitely âfewerâ, and definitely not âlessâ.
mammamoonbeam over 9 years ago
So whatâs Pastisâ beef against tenured professors?
Reppr Premium Member over 9 years ago
Gray area for the archer, black and white for the target.(I could have written âshooterâ and âshooteeâ just for fun)
pwbritt Premium Member over 9 years ago
As a mathematician, we use the continuous/discrete criteria for determining less or fewer. With a discrete quantity, we use fewer. With continuous quantities, we use less. This rule applies even when the object is merely implied in the expression.
vwdualnomand over 9 years ago
why are dentists such sadistic sociopaths?
dadoctah over 9 years ago
âLessâ goes with âhow muchâ; âfewerâ goes with âhow manyâ. Arrows are discrete (you canât fire 2.718 arrows at someone) so it should definitely be âfewer than threeâ.
BlackTie over 9 years ago
New meanig to the term âpublish or perish.â
NeedaChuckle Premium Member over 9 years ago
If someone says something and you know what they mean that is called communicating using language. Nitpicking is futile because language changes with use, it is not static, never was, never will be.
Sisyphos over 9 years ago
Tenured Professor Bob is as morally ambiguous as he is grammatically deficient. Everyone knows, in the end (or in the back), Only Kill-Shots Count!
Rogers George Premium Member over 9 years ago
Ha! Iâd fire the guy on the spot for saying âlessâ instead of âfewer.â
mammamoonbeam over 9 years ago
To those who responded to my query about Pastisâ beef with tenure:Full disclosure â I am a semi-retired teacherAlso, tenure has become a big issue here in New Jersey. Institutes of higher learning have been hiring adjuncts in large numbers with meager salaries and no benefits.So the other side of the coin is tarnished as well.
Snoopy_Fan over 9 years ago
âComplete job security no matter how badly you perform or behave.â
Thatâs incorrect. âJob security,â yes. âComplete,â no. Tenure protects the employee from being fired without reason. It requires due process for the terminated. It also does not âguaranteeâ a job. It only âguaranteesâ a job as long as the position exists. If the position is no longer needed, the employer can transfer or terminate the employee. Are there abuses? Sure. Just like there are people in any line of work that will use sick days to take a vacation, or use their position to gain favors. But most people want to do their job well, both for personal pride in their work and because they are obligated to do their best. Attack the abuses on a case-by-case basis but not the general intent of tenure. I have seen tenured teachers fired, through due process, for gross misbehavior, breach of contract, and, yes, even incompetence. It may seem that tenure is unnecessary protection for teachers but nothing could be further from the truth. Tenure came about because teachers could be fired on a momentâs notice for any reason and for no reason. (Some districts abused this by letting go of experienced, more expensive teachers and replacing them with younger, less expensive teachers - simply to save money.)
CanuckAmuck over 9 years ago
Tenure is not a guarantee of secure employment. Not even close. Strange that as a âProfâs hubbieâ you would perpetuate that myth. One less charitable than myself might think that having gotten something like that so completely wrong, along with the Chuck icon usually used by the childish, that youâre not really married to a âProfâ.
CanuckAmuck over 9 years ago
Tenure is not âComplete job security no matter how badly you perform or behave.â Educate yourself before mouthing off.
llhack over 9 years ago
Canât tell if Professor Bob has his pants back on or not.
jbmlaw01 over 9 years ago
Reason to detest tenured professors:
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/23555
abbybookcase over 9 years ago
could we please remember that most dentists are nice people, not lion killers or steve martin in âlittle shop of horrorsâ otherwise my dadâll start sounding off about how dentists are badly portrayed in the media. that can take awhile
David Rickard Premium Member over 9 years ago
Bob obviously works for the wrong university⊠Heck, I pincushioned a colleague here at [REDACTED] with a dozen arrows and I just got a warning letter from HR!
Thanksfortheinfo2000 over 9 years ago
Of course, if he went on a safari and shot a lion, heâd be unemployed in a heartbeatâŠ.
nopainogain over 9 years ago
I was waiting for Pastis to weigh in on Cecil. very clever.
Number Three over 9 years ago
I can see Rat marching in the classroom and âteachingâ those students a thing or two of his own.
Cricket bat included.
xxx
Lyons Group, Inc. over 9 years ago
Another cruddy book signing?! Arenât your jokes bad enough?!
bajasusana over 9 years ago
oh stephan, stephan you have broken my heart. i believed you to be an educated man when i selected you as my favorite cartoonist, but you AND the tenured professor need to have your asses fired! Itâs âFEWER than threeâ not âless thanâ idiota! oh wait, wait, wait, maybe it doesnât matter that much, cuz you ARE very reliably funny (except leave your poor exwife alone)
bibliophilica over 9 years ago
Or he could be teaching at my university and get fired for not âpulling his weightâ and bringing in enough money by teaching enough students.
Phatts over 9 years ago
Yiddish is a distinct language with an entirely separate grammar, vocabulary and alphabet.Ebonics is a BS scam invented purely to get more money to teach English as a Second Language.
BE THIS GUY over 9 years ago
@John SmithI went to a public college that was known for the quality of its faculty. The tenured professors had reached their positions after years of teaching, research, and publishing. We used to joke that once they got tenure, they could spend their time shooting baskets all day. But that wasnât the case; most of them continued to research and publish in their fields. The vilification of teachers and professors is the latest trend in finding new scapegoats.
tomielm over 9 years ago
Donât know how old this cartoon is, but it is eerily prophetic, isnât it?
knight1192a over 9 years ago
I didnât realize that was a bow kill. Thought he lured the Lion out of the area and then shot him with a rifle.To be honest I havenât read the articles.
rajasetlur over 9 years ago
I see this degenerating to a row about grammar and everyone wants to take a bow for his brilliant wit
tulpoeid_ over 9 years ago
And after three, the answer is a definite no.
tulpoeid_ over 9 years ago
With my respects: The non-grammatic discussion missed the point of the story; the emphasis is not on tenure, itâs on back-stabbing and its relation to tenure. And it speaks to many peopleâs heart.
As about âlessâ, to my non-native english speakersâ eyes it sounded as a cute piece of jargon (as in âIâll make some slight fun of what you say by taking the answer to your question and redirecting it, talking about the number itself than the actual counting, you know like slang usually doesâ).
kittysquared Premium Member over 9 years ago
@mammamoonbeam. Agreed. Iâm so tired of educators at all levels being bashed. Race To The Top, No Child Left Behind â no educational reform of any sort (not that I support either one of these disasters) will ever be successful in this country because this country does not value education nor teachers. I am quite disappointed in Pastis, here. Keep this message up and watch this country fall further behind.
Lupin III over 9 years ago
Imagine that the governor of a state has a certain economic plan. And suppose a professor at a major university in that state (who knows far more about economics than said governor) criticizes that plan. You have tenure so that the governor cannot simply go and fire the professor for exercising his right to free speech.
Lamberger over 9 years ago
The media made a bigger story of Cecil the Lion than Planned Parenthood selling aborted fetus parts. Interesting study in relativity.
amaryllis2 Premium Member over 9 years ago
Who gets offered tenure anymore, when they can hire adjuncts and pay them less than minimum wage if theyâre doing a good job preparing for their classes?
jhmore over 9 years ago
You got it wrong this time, Pastis. Of course Tenured Professor Bob would not lose his job for skewering a colleague in the back. True, taking the shot from a distance with a bow and arrow, rather than planting a knife squarely between the shoulder blades in the time-honored manner, is, well, unsportsmanlike and would look poorly in a post-tenure review. But grounds for dismissal? Good gracious, no! All in a dayâs work in the hallowed halls of academe. I believe, however, that emphasizing the B-and-A scenario is a cunning ruse on TPBâs part, playing to the bourgeois morals of the ingenuous Pig, and deflecting attention from the his true professional shortcomings. TPB should know that the countable number of arrows requires âfewerâ rather than âless,â and the adjective âgrayâ requires an adverb as modifier (thus, âreally gray,â not âreal grayâ). Goat would have known better! The question remains whether an illiterate Tenured Professor Bob should stay employed. Tenure, he would surely point out, guarantees freedom of speech, which presumably includes the right to speak ungrammatically. (And if he knew enough to say, âI was speaking colloquially,â heâd likely get a merit raise.)
connie over 9 years ago
I believe assault with a deadly weapon would land him in jail and out of a job at the college, tenure or no tenure.