The climate has always been changing, but I have yet to see any definite proof that man is changing it much at all. It seems to me to be speculation that ‘could’ be a lot of other causes as well.
So yes there is a chance that man could be speeding it up, but there is also a lot of other things that could be doing it. Science has a lot of theories on it but can’t prove them beyond doubt.
Just because a bunch of scientists get together and say they believe this is happening doesn’t make a theory fact.
Some day, earth will burp and start all over again, just as it has done many times in the past! There is absolutely nothing humans can do to avoid this occurrence.
Maybe I shouldn’t have invested in that chunk of Kansas sea shore after all…
If you had available every last penny from every country in the world to spend on global warming/climate change, do you really believe that mankind would be capable of changing anything in Mother Nature? I don’t think so. I would like absolute proof that mankind is speeding up climate change. We have not been on the Earth long enough to see in the past, how fast or slow that climate has changed in the past. It just might be normal cycles to Nature, but seem fast to us.
Wow, I’m not sure that I should be, but I’m surprised by the number of climate change deniers posting. Even oil companies admit to climate change. I’m also not sure why climate is a political issue? Here’s a couple of links: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/ and http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/. But I suppose politicians are louder than the people at NASA.
@Redkaycei Repoc@CFinFL“Try reading a little history. Man caused the Sahara Desert to increase by about 15% What used to be “The bread basket of Rome is now the northern part of the desert caused by over grazing of Bedouin goats. The thermals changed the weather patterns and the desert stayed.”.Very likely, but you are assuming the weather patterns changed due to what humans did.If they independently changed enough to kill off the existing plants, that could cause desertification..Let us not forget deserts formed and went away all around the world through the years..A recent change in North America is evidenced by the fact diet in the same area went from tree-ieaf-eating browsers to grass-eating grazers when native peoples were still in their stone age.They may have caused the continental climate change, but if so, the mechanism isn’t clear, what with them being hunter/gatherers..Support for anthropogenic desertification in the Sahara is found by the fact that if the sands are fenced off, grasses take back over without water input..Speaking of this to African leaders back in the 1980s, I received the response that “they only got grass by shutting others out.”They were Communists and would prefer all have only — but equally — sand than some have grass and others have nothing..Irrational, but definitely a human concept.
“The millions spent by the petroleum corporations is working.”.Paranoia.In a world filled with liars, only a fool trusts all.Petroleum companies need not be the cause of distrust.
“forced the end to using the CFC’s that has a bad effect on our atmosphere we would have even worse environmental effects”.CFCs hold radiation better than carbon dioxide.(sulfur dioxide holds it out but acidifies water)
“Another telling effect is how often and wide spread those extremes have gotten. ". The claim is often made but proof or real reason is lacking..It looks like the statement was made after the fact, to try to explain observations at odds with predictions.
@DavidHuieGreen“Those people may just have rescinded what they thought as more is learned about how our dynamic system of climate develops in ways not previously anticipated.”.Which is at best to say they kept fudging the models to explain away Failures of prediction.I suspect most really knew nothing of the actual science and were just spouting nonsense since I don’t know models were really ever modified to include unforeseen factors which kept popping up.People I knew didn’t know how to make a finite element simulation kept intoning garbage.Those who don’t know and doubt are better than those who don’t know but BELIEVE . I am convinced some of the latter would burn heretics at the stake if they held the power.
“Atheists don’t “believe” anything.”.Actually, by definition an atheist believes there is no god, “a” not, “theist” god belief..An agnostic believes he doesn’t know, “a” not, “gnost” knowledge. more or less.
@DavidHuieGreen“I am not assuming anything… sand has a different heat reflection than grass… different thermals… the hot air rising from the sand caused the weather patterns to change..”.Sure you are.You are assuming the sand came before the weather change.It is possible, but in the absence of accurate records, the egg may have preceded the chicken — or the emu.Anyone who has seen overgrazing in action knows.On the other hand, I saw overgrazing remove all grass on a few acres we naively let some neighbors place too many horses on. The did not rotate grazing areas as promised and did not limit the number of horses or even supply enough extra feed to sustain them or bury them as they died.One interesting consequence, though, was that prickly pear cactus took over. Horses didn’t eat them.The ground did not become bare sand, it was covered with low, green cacti.Gopher tortises like prickly pears, so they became plentiful with lots of food and protection from predators.(I wonder how prickly pears would do in the Sahara. They did well near Luanda, Angola after 5 years without rain.).Also remember hot air in daytime usually means very cold air at night, possibly balancing things. Did they mention that in your class?.’ the rain clouds that used to pass over northern Africa were pushed north over the Mediterranean Sea causing the desert to expand. It was explained to us in college back about 1972.".I had many professors and some of what they claimed was argued against by others. Some was clearly disproven since 1977. (They weren’t teaching all of what they taught you a few ears earlier.)
.The actual hard science portion of the ZAS writes:
.THE COLLEGE OF PHYSICAL SCIENCES .“The College of Physical Sciences embraces studies and research in engineering disciplines, which include mathematics, geology, physics, chemistry and biology. including hybrids such as biochemistry, chemical engineering and geophysics. Our general guidelines are to encourage applied research in fruitful activities which have a bearing on improvement of living standards and national economic development. The College is keen to address ZIMASSET-related programmes relating to improved and adequate availability of water, energy and decent shelter.The College met a few times and discussed topics relating to pressing problems that invlove water shortages and the current energy crisis. We are keen to work and cooperate with colleagues in other disciplines, as we appreciate the interdisciplinarity of physical sciences with other with other collegeate disciplines. Due to the absence of realistic funding within ZAS, the college lacks research materials and/or equipment to carry out the needed programmes to fullfil its mandate. We therefore call upon planners and policy makers to facilitate provision of adequate funding for ZAS, which is an integral part of the development matrix.”\/So support of truth comes from acceptance by an underfunded group hoping to find water and energy in a nation ruled by a murderer..You have decent, reliable groups listed.Better to stick with them than to think proof of truth lies in raw numbers.It makes it look like you can’t tell the difference.
Academy of Pediatrics?SUDAN?Natural England?Crop science Society?.Why do I suspect some of these didn’t actually verify?I grow to wonder if all even took positions.And I’m a person inclined to believe.The way you attack those who ask questions makes me wonder how much is actual research on your part and how much is a form of religious belief, independent of truth one way or the other.
Ginrummy33 almost 9 years ago
Sharks in a tornado. So you’d call that a… Tor-shark-o. Yep, that sounds perfect.
Farside99 almost 9 years ago
Where’s their laser beams?
Shawn Black Premium Member almost 9 years ago
Sharknado 0
thesource almost 9 years ago
new york city will set a record saturday night a the coldest ever on that date. global warming?
Richard Howland-Bolton Premium Member almost 9 years ago
@ the(silly)source
Yes
Extremes of weather are an indication of ACC!
clayusmcret Premium Member almost 9 years ago
Belief that the climate has NOT always been changing and just started with “man” reminds me of the foolishness of the cartoon’s Sharknado commercial.
Claire Jordan almost 9 years ago
Of course it’s always changing, but we seem to be making it change faster and worse.
Amra Leo almost 9 years ago
Sharknado-The Beginning…
Dr_Zinj almost 9 years ago
Ya’all knows that we’d be under a mile of ice if we didn’t start this global warming stuff way back when, don’cha?
angelfiredragon almost 9 years ago
The climate has always been changing, but I have yet to see any definite proof that man is changing it much at all. It seems to me to be speculation that ‘could’ be a lot of other causes as well.
So yes there is a chance that man could be speeding it up, but there is also a lot of other things that could be doing it. Science has a lot of theories on it but can’t prove them beyond doubt.
Just because a bunch of scientists get together and say they believe this is happening doesn’t make a theory fact.
Totalloser Premium Member almost 9 years ago
It’s not just global warming it’s climate change, colder winters, warmer summers, stronger and more often storms
jtviper7 almost 9 years ago
No global warming… They’re just flying fish disguised as sharks.
neverenoughgold almost 9 years ago
Some day, earth will burp and start all over again, just as it has done many times in the past! There is absolutely nothing humans can do to avoid this occurrence.
Maybe I shouldn’t have invested in that chunk of Kansas sea shore after all…
charliefarmrhere almost 9 years ago
If you had available every last penny from every country in the world to spend on global warming/climate change, do you really believe that mankind would be capable of changing anything in Mother Nature? I don’t think so. I would like absolute proof that mankind is speeding up climate change. We have not been on the Earth long enough to see in the past, how fast or slow that climate has changed in the past. It just might be normal cycles to Nature, but seem fast to us.
dflak almost 9 years ago
This cartoon has been banned in the State of Florida.
SDSillyCyclist almost 9 years ago
Wow, I’m not sure that I should be, but I’m surprised by the number of climate change deniers posting. Even oil companies admit to climate change. I’m also not sure why climate is a political issue? Here’s a couple of links: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/ and http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/. But I suppose politicians are louder than the people at NASA.
David Huie Green LoveJoyAndPeace almost 9 years ago
@Redkaycei Repoc@CFinFL“Try reading a little history. Man caused the Sahara Desert to increase by about 15% What used to be “The bread basket of Rome is now the northern part of the desert caused by over grazing of Bedouin goats. The thermals changed the weather patterns and the desert stayed.”.Very likely, but you are assuming the weather patterns changed due to what humans did.If they independently changed enough to kill off the existing plants, that could cause desertification..Let us not forget deserts formed and went away all around the world through the years..A recent change in North America is evidenced by the fact diet in the same area went from tree-ieaf-eating browsers to grass-eating grazers when native peoples were still in their stone age.They may have caused the continental climate change, but if so, the mechanism isn’t clear, what with them being hunter/gatherers..Support for anthropogenic desertification in the Sahara is found by the fact that if the sands are fenced off, grasses take back over without water input..Speaking of this to African leaders back in the 1980s, I received the response that “they only got grass by shutting others out.”They were Communists and would prefer all have only — but equally — sand than some have grass and others have nothing..Irrational, but definitely a human concept.
David Huie Green LoveJoyAndPeace almost 9 years ago
“The millions spent by the petroleum corporations is working.”.Paranoia.In a world filled with liars, only a fool trusts all.Petroleum companies need not be the cause of distrust.
David Huie Green LoveJoyAndPeace almost 9 years ago
“forced the end to using the CFC’s that has a bad effect on our atmosphere we would have even worse environmental effects”.CFCs hold radiation better than carbon dioxide.(sulfur dioxide holds it out but acidifies water)
David Huie Green LoveJoyAndPeace almost 9 years ago
“Another telling effect is how often and wide spread those extremes have gotten. ". The claim is often made but proof or real reason is lacking..It looks like the statement was made after the fact, to try to explain observations at odds with predictions.
David Huie Green LoveJoyAndPeace almost 9 years ago
@DavidHuieGreen“It will be a multitude of energy sources, not one or two.”.Possibly but not necessarily.
David Huie Green LoveJoyAndPeace almost 9 years ago
@DavidHuieGreen“Those people may just have rescinded what they thought as more is learned about how our dynamic system of climate develops in ways not previously anticipated.”.Which is at best to say they kept fudging the models to explain away Failures of prediction.I suspect most really knew nothing of the actual science and were just spouting nonsense since I don’t know models were really ever modified to include unforeseen factors which kept popping up.People I knew didn’t know how to make a finite element simulation kept intoning garbage.Those who don’t know and doubt are better than those who don’t know but BELIEVE . I am convinced some of the latter would burn heretics at the stake if they held the power.
David Huie Green LoveJoyAndPeace almost 9 years ago
“Atheists don’t “believe” anything.”.Actually, by definition an atheist believes there is no god, “a” not, “theist” god belief..An agnostic believes he doesn’t know, “a” not, “gnost” knowledge. more or less.
David Huie Green LoveJoyAndPeace almost 9 years ago
“Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences”.Zimbabwe?You might should have stopped before citing it.
David Huie Green LoveJoyAndPeace almost 9 years ago
@DavidHuieGreen“I am not assuming anything… sand has a different heat reflection than grass… different thermals… the hot air rising from the sand caused the weather patterns to change..”.Sure you are.You are assuming the sand came before the weather change.It is possible, but in the absence of accurate records, the egg may have preceded the chicken — or the emu.Anyone who has seen overgrazing in action knows.On the other hand, I saw overgrazing remove all grass on a few acres we naively let some neighbors place too many horses on. The did not rotate grazing areas as promised and did not limit the number of horses or even supply enough extra feed to sustain them or bury them as they died.One interesting consequence, though, was that prickly pear cactus took over. Horses didn’t eat them.The ground did not become bare sand, it was covered with low, green cacti.Gopher tortises like prickly pears, so they became plentiful with lots of food and protection from predators.(I wonder how prickly pears would do in the Sahara. They did well near Luanda, Angola after 5 years without rain.).Also remember hot air in daytime usually means very cold air at night, possibly balancing things. Did they mention that in your class?.’ the rain clouds that used to pass over northern Africa were pushed north over the Mediterranean Sea causing the desert to expand. It was explained to us in college back about 1972.".I had many professors and some of what they claimed was argued against by others. Some was clearly disproven since 1977. (They weren’t teaching all of what they taught you a few ears earlier.)
David Huie Green LoveJoyAndPeace almost 9 years ago
@mr_wise_guy
.The actual hard science portion of the ZAS writes:
.THE COLLEGE OF PHYSICAL SCIENCES .“The College of Physical Sciences embraces studies and research in engineering disciplines, which include mathematics, geology, physics, chemistry and biology. including hybrids such as biochemistry, chemical engineering and geophysics. Our general guidelines are to encourage applied research in fruitful activities which have a bearing on improvement of living standards and national economic development. The College is keen to address ZIMASSET-related programmes relating to improved and adequate availability of water, energy and decent shelter.The College met a few times and discussed topics relating to pressing problems that invlove water shortages and the current energy crisis. We are keen to work and cooperate with colleagues in other disciplines, as we appreciate the interdisciplinarity of physical sciences with other with other collegeate disciplines. Due to the absence of realistic funding within ZAS, the college lacks research materials and/or equipment to carry out the needed programmes to fullfil its mandate. We therefore call upon planners and policy makers to facilitate provision of adequate funding for ZAS, which is an integral part of the development matrix.”\/So support of truth comes from acceptance by an underfunded group hoping to find water and energy in a nation ruled by a murderer..You have decent, reliable groups listed.Better to stick with them than to think proof of truth lies in raw numbers.It makes it look like you can’t tell the difference.
David Huie Green LoveJoyAndPeace almost 9 years ago
Academy of Pediatrics?SUDAN?Natural England?Crop science Society?.Why do I suspect some of these didn’t actually verify?I grow to wonder if all even took positions.And I’m a person inclined to believe.The way you attack those who ask questions makes me wonder how much is actual research on your part and how much is a form of religious belief, independent of truth one way or the other.