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@NabuquduriuzhurHere is what the atheist Jean-Paul Sartre had to say:-
When we say that man chooses for himself, we do mean that every one of us must choose himself; but by that we also mean that in choosing for himself he chooses for all men. For in effect, of all the actions a man may take in order to create himself as he wills to be, there is not one which is not creative, at the same time, of an image of man such as he believes he ought to be. To choose between this or that is at the same time to affirm the value of that which is chosen; for we are unable ever to choose the worse. What we choose is always the better; and nothing can be better for us unless it is better for all.
āJean-Paul Sartre, Existentialism is a Humanism, pgs. 291 ā 292
@NabuquduriuzhurWhy do you think aethists donāt want rules and laws ? In fact we see the need for good laws and governance more than the religious types, because there is no guy in the sky delivering justice and mercy.We differ from the god fearing people in that we want these laws and regulations to be based on common sense and common good, and not on ancient beliefs and texts.
How funny that Calvin is supposedly being a libertarian, when itās really statists that engage in theft and war while showing all the time that they espouse the might makes right philosophy.
Those who donāt know much about the Bible and are proud to be Christians show that they know less about Atheism and with the same pride, demonstrate their ignorance by proclaiming the evils of Atheism. Iāve found more Atheists know more about the Christian Bible than Christians who use it for memory exercises in repeating little quotes or phrases to tell others how they should live. Iāve found Thomas Paineās The age of Reason an excellent read.
It kind of sums up our society in general. Even non-libetrtarians, and many who claim to be bound by rules and order, find special loopholes that except them, excusing and justifying their breaking of rules. Some donāt even recognize that theyāre doing it- or simply do not reflect upon the irony. Calvinās approach means that he cannot accept irony when he is its victim, but otherwise is fine with it.
It is sad that a comic strip could create so much animosity regarding politics, religion and the world in general. All it shows that the world has not grown up, and has learned nothing. Especially when it comes to caring for the fellow man.
The point of this comic is for the intuitive person to see a bit of himself in it. In other words , where am I selfish, egotistic, and donāt realize it? If it goes right by us without it causing us to raise an eyebrow in the mirror, then we have failed the self exam. Do I think Iām worth more than others because I get better paid? So I deserve a better parking space, then!
I love all these people that argue that you canāāt have morality without religion. There are several good NPR shows about this. I donāt believe in religion and yet I am a very moral person. So there you have it, an exception to your rule making your hard fast rule false. I believe in doing what is best not necessarily for me, but for society and the world.
Bill Wattesonās religious beliefs:-Q: So many of Calvin and Hobbes strips had some kind of moral/theological element that I wonder what your religious upbringing was and if it influenced that. (For instance, the āLove the sinner, hate the sinā strip as well as many Santa-related Christmas strips.) Iām guessing you were raised Catholic? ā Suzanne Kaufmann, Charlottesville, VA
A: Actually, Iāve never attended any church.-http://andrewsmcmeel.com/books/comics-and-humor/calvinandhobbes/pw_watterson.html
You seem to misunderstand both atheists (which I am) and libertarians (which I am not).
Libertarians are nowhere near anarchists (in my opinion).And while anarchists are atheists by definition, by no means are all atheists anarchists.
Atheists only believe that there is no āgodā, not that the rules of society, which the faithful falsely attribute to the commands of a supreme being, have no value.
In fact, I would say that atheists not only believe social laws are crucial to both man and mankinds well-being, but that they are truly of man, by man, and for man. And we believe there are ample reasons for having and adhering to laws and rules of behavior without the fear of devine retribution.
Centuries of the domination of religion has done nothing at all to curtail manās inhumanity to man. On the contrary, I would argue that if people realized that we have only each other to rely on, we would at least behave no worse, and likely even better, toward one another.
To believe otherwise is to believe that man is inherently evil and that the influence of a supreme being is all that holds together social order. I think atheists patently reject this assessment of human nature.
Hey, hereās an interesting question; Can you imagine making over 7 comments a day, every day, on GoComics.com for over 6 years? Thatās some kinda accomplishment! I think there should be some type of awardā¦
@Meh-thodologyWhat? You mean Iām to go to another website to get my wisdom fix? I made the mistake of clicking on that link; it showed that he/she has been a member of some website or other since 2012, but otherwise it was, to use the vernacular, jibber-jabber. What was I to have gleaned from that site? Please guide me Beatriceā¦..
OK, Nabs, after a couple of stiff gin and tonics I have to ask you, what did you write? I am a reader, and Iāll give you a shot at convincing me of whatever you are trying to convince me of. Yes, I know, I ended that with a preposition. Sorry, a bit buzzed, otherwise wouldnāt think of it. So name a book you have written, and Iāll have someone read it to me, explaining the big words, the conundrums, and the paradoxes to me as they go. Iāll watch for your answer here. Donāt delay! My moneyās as good as anyoneās, except maybe the Koch brothers. Or, as the little girl said, "Daddy, why did you bring that book that I didnāt want to be read to out of up for?
I know, but Iām in a particularly goading mood today. Apparently he/she is a hit and run poster, and we wonāt see him/her until tomorrow. Funny thing, he/she appears on the eflquest websiteā¦ I think he/she is having problems keeping the fantasies separated. And, I donāt drive after drinking, ever. Thanks for the concern!
@Charles SmithWow, 4 years of college. Please, let me warm myself in your enlightenment.-Ok, to the rest of the readers:The whole point of the Sartre quote is that there are rules that apply to everybody. The rule here is the decisions we make should not be to the benefit of one at the expense of another. This is Sartreās version of The Golden Rule.Of course, people, groups, and organizations make the āworst choice.ā Sartre is trying to explain the difference between the decisions that are made.
You proceed from a false assumption. I have no interest in showing others where they are wrong. Why would I want to do that? Any more than I want them doing it to me! As for your other reply to me, I have no idea as to what you mean. Iām just positing my own views and respect all others, whether or not I agree with them. Please stop trying to push me towards some other personās views.
It shouldnāt be too hard to hide comments using a script. In the HTML of this page comments start with ā(opening anglebracket)li class=ācomment"". I just donāt know how to take it from there.
BE THIS GUY almost 11 years ago
Thank you, Hobbes.
Steve Bartholomew almost 11 years ago
Libertarian Calvin.
orinoco womble almost 11 years ago
Welcome to Calvinās Little Cliche Festival!
BE THIS GUY almost 11 years ago
@NabuquduriuzhurHere is what the atheist Jean-Paul Sartre had to say:-
When we say that man chooses for himself, we do mean that every one of us must choose himself; but by that we also mean that in choosing for himself he chooses for all men. For in effect, of all the actions a man may take in order to create himself as he wills to be, there is not one which is not creative, at the same time, of an image of man such as he believes he ought to be. To choose between this or that is at the same time to affirm the value of that which is chosen; for we are unable ever to choose the worse. What we choose is always the better; and nothing can be better for us unless it is better for all.
āJean-Paul Sartre, Existentialism is a Humanism, pgs. 291 ā 292
Phapada almost 11 years ago
trusty friendā¦
watmiwori almost 11 years ago
Donāt bet the mortgage!
shakeswilly almost 11 years ago
@NabuquduriuzhurWhy do you think aethists donāt want rules and laws ? In fact we see the need for good laws and governance more than the religious types, because there is no guy in the sky delivering justice and mercy.We differ from the god fearing people in that we want these laws and regulations to be based on common sense and common good, and not on ancient beliefs and texts.
Reality,really? almost 11 years ago
Common sense says you sacrifice the few for the many. Whose going first ?
robert3750 almost 11 years ago
How funny that Calvin is supposedly being a libertarian, when itās really statists that engage in theft and war while showing all the time that they espouse the might makes right philosophy.
susanwobb almost 11 years ago
So do atheists. Have rules, that is. Theyāre not just a bunch of amoral creeps.
moosemin almost 11 years ago
āThe winners write the history booksā?Calvin, have you ever read any books on the Civil War down south?
orinoco womble almost 11 years ago
And now, back to the comicā¦.
johnmanjaybee almost 11 years ago
Calvin is a liberal.
J Short almost 11 years ago
And to think, I thought the strip was funny.
Radical-Knight almost 11 years ago
Those who donāt know much about the Bible and are proud to be Christians show that they know less about Atheism and with the same pride, demonstrate their ignorance by proclaiming the evils of Atheism. Iāve found more Atheists know more about the Christian Bible than Christians who use it for memory exercises in repeating little quotes or phrases to tell others how they should live. Iāve found Thomas Paineās The age of Reason an excellent read.
Thomas Scott Roberts creator almost 11 years ago
It kind of sums up our society in general. Even non-libetrtarians, and many who claim to be bound by rules and order, find special loopholes that except them, excusing and justifying their breaking of rules. Some donāt even recognize that theyāre doing it- or simply do not reflect upon the irony. Calvinās approach means that he cannot accept irony when he is its victim, but otherwise is fine with it.
Susie Derkins D: almost 11 years ago
Justify the means could be a bad thing.
redbaron1966 almost 11 years ago
It is sad that a comic strip could create so much animosity regarding politics, religion and the world in general. All it shows that the world has not grown up, and has learned nothing. Especially when it comes to caring for the fellow man.
Guilty Bystander almost 11 years ago
Best post on this thread.
meihong almost 11 years ago
Calvin looks so cute in the mud!
highfidelity almost 11 years ago
The point of this comic is for the intuitive person to see a bit of himself in it. In other words , where am I selfish, egotistic, and donāt realize it? If it goes right by us without it causing us to raise an eyebrow in the mirror, then we have failed the self exam. Do I think Iām worth more than others because I get better paid? So I deserve a better parking space, then!
tlynnch almost 11 years ago
I love all these people that argue that you canāāt have morality without religion. There are several good NPR shows about this. I donāt believe in religion and yet I am a very moral person. So there you have it, an exception to your rule making your hard fast rule false. I believe in doing what is best not necessarily for me, but for society and the world.
Poollady almost 11 years ago
Hate to tell you, Calvin, but itās a two-way street.
Aaron Saltzer almost 11 years ago
Same old Calvin. Selfish.
Newshound41 almost 11 years ago
Bill Wattesonās religious beliefs:-Q: So many of Calvin and Hobbes strips had some kind of moral/theological element that I wonder what your religious upbringing was and if it influenced that. (For instance, the āLove the sinner, hate the sinā strip as well as many Santa-related Christmas strips.) Iām guessing you were raised Catholic? ā Suzanne Kaufmann, Charlottesville, VA
A: Actually, Iāve never attended any church.-http://andrewsmcmeel.com/books/comics-and-humor/calvinandhobbes/pw_watterson.html
Packratjohn Premium Member almost 11 years ago
āA: Actually, Iāve never attended any church.ā
I probably would be a lot more religious if I had never attended any church.
KCOSH almost 11 years ago
Is there any way to turn off comments in GoComics?
Number Three almost 11 years ago
I see.
xxx
handfularain almost 11 years ago
@Nabuquduriuzhur
You seem to misunderstand both atheists (which I am) and libertarians (which I am not).
Libertarians are nowhere near anarchists (in my opinion).And while anarchists are atheists by definition, by no means are all atheists anarchists.
Atheists only believe that there is no āgodā, not that the rules of society, which the faithful falsely attribute to the commands of a supreme being, have no value.
In fact, I would say that atheists not only believe social laws are crucial to both man and mankinds well-being, but that they are truly of man, by man, and for man. And we believe there are ample reasons for having and adhering to laws and rules of behavior without the fear of devine retribution.
Centuries of the domination of religion has done nothing at all to curtail manās inhumanity to man. On the contrary, I would argue that if people realized that we have only each other to rely on, we would at least behave no worse, and likely even better, toward one another.
To believe otherwise is to believe that man is inherently evil and that the influence of a supreme being is all that holds together social order. I think atheists patently reject this assessment of human nature.
BE THIS GUY almost 11 years ago
@Dogday88According to Sartre, the worse choice is one that benefits one at the expense of another. It was his application of The Golden Rule.
BE THIS GUY almost 11 years ago
Bill Wattersonā theology:-http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1987/12/21-and-http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1993/06/21
Packratjohn Premium Member almost 11 years ago
Hey, hereās an interesting question; Can you imagine making over 7 comments a day, every day, on GoComics.com for over 6 years? Thatās some kinda accomplishment! I think there should be some type of awardā¦
Packratjohn Premium Member almost 11 years ago
Hint: it wasnāt meā¦ I didnāt quite average 1.
Meh~tdology, fka Pepelaputr almost 11 years ago
Nabuquduriuzhur explains it all to youā¦http://www.theblaze.com/user/nabuquduriuzhur/
rentier almost 11 years ago
Make him clean again, Hobbes!
heatherjasper almost 11 years ago
Panel 2- Thoreau, he is not.
Packratjohn Premium Member almost 11 years ago
@Meh-thodologyWhat? You mean Iām to go to another website to get my wisdom fix? I made the mistake of clicking on that link; it showed that he/she has been a member of some website or other since 2012, but otherwise it was, to use the vernacular, jibber-jabber. What was I to have gleaned from that site? Please guide me Beatriceā¦..
Packratjohn Premium Member almost 11 years ago
OK, Nabs, after a couple of stiff gin and tonics I have to ask you, what did you write? I am a reader, and Iāll give you a shot at convincing me of whatever you are trying to convince me of. Yes, I know, I ended that with a preposition. Sorry, a bit buzzed, otherwise wouldnāt think of it. So name a book you have written, and Iāll have someone read it to me, explaining the big words, the conundrums, and the paradoxes to me as they go. Iāll watch for your answer here. Donāt delay! My moneyās as good as anyoneās, except maybe the Koch brothers. Or, as the little girl said, "Daddy, why did you bring that book that I didnāt want to be read to out of up for?
rothwell.j almost 11 years ago
I didnāt know Calvin was one of the Koch brothersā¦
Packratjohn Premium Member almost 11 years ago
I know, but Iām in a particularly goading mood today. Apparently he/she is a hit and run poster, and we wonāt see him/her until tomorrow. Funny thing, he/she appears on the eflquest websiteā¦ I think he/she is having problems keeping the fantasies separated. And, I donāt drive after drinking, ever. Thanks for the concern!
BE THIS GUY almost 11 years ago
@Charles SmithWow, 4 years of college. Please, let me warm myself in your enlightenment.-Ok, to the rest of the readers:The whole point of the Sartre quote is that there are rules that apply to everybody. The rule here is the decisions we make should not be to the benefit of one at the expense of another. This is Sartreās version of The Golden Rule.Of course, people, groups, and organizations make the āworst choice.ā Sartre is trying to explain the difference between the decisions that are made.
westny77 almost 11 years ago
What a mean tiger. You will regret this now. No more room and board for you.
Packratjohn Premium Member almost 11 years ago
He will, in time. For now, being muddy and enjoying life is Nirvana for a 6 year old.
J Short almost 11 years ago
Just seeing if I could be the last comment.Everyone off to bed now.(this received more arguments than most Doonesbury cartoons.)
BE THIS GUY almost 11 years ago
@J. ShortWho goes to bed at 9:30 pm ET?
Meh~tdology, fka Pepelaputr almost 11 years ago
LeftThighBrainiac almost 11 years ago
Funny
Packratjohn Premium Member almost 11 years ago
You proceed from a false assumption. I have no interest in showing others where they are wrong. Why would I want to do that? Any more than I want them doing it to me! As for your other reply to me, I have no idea as to what you mean. Iām just positing my own views and respect all others, whether or not I agree with them. Please stop trying to push me towards some other personās views.
KCOSH almost 11 years ago
It shouldnāt be too hard to hide comments using a script. In the HTML of this page comments start with ā(opening anglebracket)li class=ācomment"". I just donāt know how to take it from there.
KCOSH almost 11 years ago
Yess! Userstyles.org has a style to disable comments.