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Doonesbury by Garry Trudeau for April 14, 2010
Transcript:
Woman: Mel? What's wrong? What did he say? Melissa: He's reassigning me to OPS. Woman: So you gotta pull some office duty. What's the big deal? Melissa: This isn't about his office! It's about his bunk! Woman: Okay, I'm missing a piece here, aren't I? Melissa: A huge piece. The size of Montana.
ChuckTrent64 almost 15 years ago
How is she so sure? Have I missed of a state too? Or is she just close to what she wanted & not is backing off?
margueritem almost 15 years ago
She was raped by a superior officerâŠ.
BrianCrook almost 15 years ago
Melinda (or is it Melanie?) is one of Trudeauâs best recent creations. Watching her negotiate human interactions gets my own insides twisted up.
She decided to re-enlist, because she was good at her work & didnât think that the act of a violent jerk should dictate her life. Now, sheâs facing all this crap.
When DOONESBURY is good, itâs very, very good.
alviebird almost 15 years ago
Is she reading more into this than there is because of her past experience?
ronebofh almost 15 years ago
Thanks for the links, Joe-Allen.
FriscoLou almost 15 years ago
Yeah, no one has established or accused that Seabrook is a rapist, and then itâs downhill after that.
Thatâs how we see these innocent men released from prison after decades, because of malicious false insinuations/accusations, from cantankerous people who blindly hold on to their own guilt fetishes. We should differentiate between inadvertent infliction of injustice/inequality and the eagerly deliberate attempt by to create it. (lynch mob mentality). Stuff like this has kept the ACLU and defense lawyers in business forever. Thatâs how Scheck made his name.
That would make a compelling character for Trudeau to develop. An innocent man released from prison after decades. There has to be a goldmine of humorous irony to riff on as the character tries to readjust from a stolen life. Thereâs enough material for a Pulitzer.
FriscoLou almost 15 years ago
I wasnât addressing the story line, but acknowledging the response, by some to it.
cdward almost 15 years ago
^FriscoLou, Iâm afraid Iâve worked with a guy who was convicted of a crime he didnât do, spent a few years in prison during which his wife divorced him. When they found the real criminal and cleared his name, the total response from the state was: Sorry about that, hereâs bus fair. He hasnât been able to get a job because a) nobody wants someone who hasnât been working for a few years, b) when they hear his story they donât believe him, and of course c) the economy is bad.
JerryGorton almost 15 years ago
He needs a good lawyer to get him compensation!!
wcorvi almost 15 years ago
Folks, this is fiction - donât get emotionally wrapped up in the characters. That said, âcrimeâ isnât always black and white. Her CO coerced her; he thought it was just good fun, she thought she had to accept it to keep the career she was good at. Whoâs right? obviously, she is, but like the Catholic Church now, the military covered up his indiscretions. Wrong? Certainly; but the point is, is she over-reacting now? Possibly, but if sheâs a good mechanic, then whyâs he calling her for office duty? Thatâs what we have to wait and find out. Trudeau is the master of ironic twists. Thatâs what makes it interesting.
Chrisnp almost 15 years ago
People, at this point I think we know that Seabrook wasnât the same officer that sexually abused Mel before - I think the dialogue yesterday would have been different had he been.
FriscoLou, yep - Seabrook could have some serious problems if Melâs PTSD inspired fears become rumurs or accusations. Even if Seabrook is shown to be completely innocent, there would be that cloud over him. Mel wouldnât want to do that to an innocent man, but Mel isnât thinking right at the moment.
Wcorvi, Iâm a bit confused by your post when you talk about a military cover-up of sexual abuse. Did I miss a news story some place?
trudyjh almost 15 years ago
I donât believe that Seabrook is the rapist. Things have changed (a little) but enough so that she would have some leverage when re-enlisting about not getting reassigned to his area.
Plus, her reactions up to now are not what they would be if he were.
But this has to bring up a whole passel of issues for her.
As to why the rapist wasnât discharged or in jail, welcome to the real world of the military.
Chrisnp, youâve apparently missed many news stories. Itâs still apparently open season on women at the Air Force Academy, for example.
freeholder1 almost 15 years ago
So, what weâre saying is her concern is his bunk BEDS?
freeholder1 almost 15 years ago
Captain Rothlesberger?
bradwilliams almost 15 years ago
I dont think we have ever been told what happened to her attacker.
I can imagine that her concerns are hightened. Hopefully this guy is a good officer and will show her not all man of power are like her attacker.
DeltaEagle almost 15 years ago
Perhaps we are about to see a better side of human - perhaps Seabrook will redeem the male soldier
Chrisnp almost 15 years ago
Actually, I donât rcall that we know what happened to the original rapist. Iâm thinking if the rapist wasnât discharged or in jail, the reason might be that Mel didnât report it - Thatâs a huge problem, and not just in the military.
trudyjh, you had to go back what? six or seven years to find your example? or did something new recently come out of that old scandal? In my comment to wcorvi, I meant to ask if there was something currently going on that Iâve missed - and frankly, I just might have. I never have time for the TV news and barely scan the newspaper lately. Mostly I get whatever I do listening to the news on the way to work.
trudyjh, if thatâs âthe real world of the military,â then I served 24 years in an alternate reality. When I was in the military, officers and NCOs were occasionally caught doing what happened to Mel. When they did, they were prosecuted and punished. None got to stay in the Army. How many cases went unreported is a whole other matter. If there were cover-ups, they were covered up from me too. If there was a cover-up in one of my units on a massive scale like the AF academy, I think I would have gotten at least a hint of it.
alfracto almost 15 years ago
One possibility that did not occur to me until now is this:
The CO is totally clueless.
First clueless as to Melâs wonderful talent. Sheâs tremendous at what she does. Moving her to an office is sheer stupidity.
Second, heâs clueless at being a leader and manager.
Actually all he wants is an office slave so he doesnât have to do the drudge work. He wants to sit back and let someone do the part of his job thatâs heâs too lazy to do himself. Heâs so stupid and lazy that he just pulls Melâs name out the hat randomly.
He treats Mel as a thing because thatâs what salves are, things!
If you donât think heâs treating her as a thing, look at his expressions from yesterday. Look at the completely dismissive way he deals with Melâs âjob change.â He doesnât take time to explain why he âneedsâ her.
I suppose in combat situations no sane officer would take time to explain commands. But this is an office. If he needs Mel to do her new job well he should be telling her why he needs her to do it.
It may be that mundane laziness and stupidity is whatâs scaring the hell out of Mel.
Then again??!!
Chrisnp almost 15 years ago
Hi Alex, I think you are reading a lot into a character that was just introduced in one strip. To me heâs an Ops officer, not her Co, and yesterdayâs dismissiveness had more to do with his being up to his eyeballs in work, which is why heâs gotten permission to pull a highly trained mechanic out of a job she is obviously doing very well.
Frankly, I am hoping she was picked because sheâs smart and dedicated. I worry though that she was picked because she was a woman. Not because of potential sexual harrassment, but because some men think a womanâs place is in the office, not working in a repair bay. Sad but common in both the military and civilian worlds.
Potrzebie almost 15 years ago
I wonder how much research GBT did for this topic?
cdhaley almost 15 years ago
@Alex Williamson:
Again, I find your reading of their motives very plausible.
What do you think of GTâs revealing interview at the link Joe Allen quotes (http://tinyurl.com/y6522n8)?
As GT says, he has too much respect for PTSD females like Mel to second-guess their misgivings or accuse them of overreacting. And he says his new military characters (male and female) are constantly surprising him by what they do and say.
This Seabrookâwhom she obviously does not know yetâmay turn out to be an insensitive lunkhead (which would remove Melâs fear and give the strip a comic ending), or he might notice her the simple way most undeveloped males do: primarily as a bedmate rather than a teammate.
Either way the strip breaks, we arenât going to see the kind of fraternal relationship our army would like to develop between the sexes. In a strong organization, even where competition is encouraged, buddiness has got to trump gender. A soldier like Roz reduces buddiness merely to sex.
MisngNOLA almost 15 years ago
Funny, when I was in the military, moving from âthe lineâ to Ops, or a desk position was a bit of training for a more authoritative position. If you showed that you were competent, and had a good head on your shoulders, you were trained in supervisory tasks in preparation for a promotion.
whiteaj almost 15 years ago
The comments are very revealing of human nature - especially the nature of Doonesbury lovers. Some think that the world is composed strictly of victims and victimizers. If youâre not one, youâre the other. Clue: Itâs more complicated than that. And remember: this is a COMIC STRIP! And I will try to remember that all generalizations are false.
diggitt almost 15 years ago
If the Catholic church now admits itâs been covering up rape and sexual abuse for decades, why on earth do you think the military is BETTER than that?
After all, the church claims to value the humanity of the individual. The purpose of the military is to turn the individual into part of the unit â and part of that is ignoring or tossing out everyone who doesnât fit the mold. Itâs a situation MADE for abuse.
Anyone who says heâs (youâll notice this is a male thing, which tells us something) never heard of such a thing should just google ârape air force academyâ and see whatâs there. West Point is no picnic for women either.
Chuck1002 almost 15 years ago
Donât know if anyone will see this, but have you considered that maybe the men she works with have complained about her being stand-offish and avoiding them in the simplist of activities, and so instead of finding out why (because that might be too much work) he simply moved her to ops? Or notâŠ.
ChukLitl Premium Member almost 15 years ago
Re: ET1 MisngNOLA: The military, & a lot of civilians, consider a supervisory position with a lot of paperwork a promotion. I was a decent tech, but lousy paper pusher & worse supervisor. Itâs more efficient to let people do what theyâre good at & just give them a pay raise.
BigHug almost 15 years ago
Iâm confused too. Was this the officer who raped her or has this triggering her memories? Iâm thinking maybe the rape occurred while she was on office duty and sheâs scared that it might happen again.
Llywus almost 15 years ago
âWhen DOONESBURY is good, itâs very, very good.â
You got that right, Brian
randgrithr almost 15 years ago
Well, here are the facts so far. Melâs got psychological baggage from a prior command rape. Since she has a flight line clearance, any medical history of hers is in her file. She may be jumping to a conclusion here based on that baggage, or she may not. The âaudienceâ doesnât have enough information yet.
The CO may or may not know about it - if he doesnât know, he sucks as a CO because he should have read that file before singling her out for special duty. And yes, officially getting transferred to ops is supposed to be a good thing.
If he DOES know, heâs either a good guy who intends to try to address the issue in a professional manner, or a bad guy. That hasnât been determined yet, but if thereâs no NCO in the picture right now for her to report to, heâs a VERY BAD guy. A breach of protocol like that is very, very serious and could come back home to him quickly if the upper echelons hear about it (unless they, too, are corrupt - and yes, it does happen). One of the purposes of an NCO is to serve as a buffer between officer and enlisted. Not always the way it works in real life - very frequently the NCOs themselves are the problem - but a lack of an NCO in the chain of command structure at all indicates a severe breakdown of military discipline and protocol.
My own opinion is that Trudeau is doing an excellent job trying to portray this situation, but he needs to be educated about military custom and culture. It does looks like heâs trying, and quite frankly if he was going to try to paint a realistic picture of the rampant sexism and unprofessionalism the military is capable of toward itâs female members, they wouldnât be able to print the comic in a family paper.
Rape in the military is a deadly serious problem - many questionable âsuicidesâ and non-combat related deaths of women in the military are linked to coverups of their rapes. The official statistic today is that one in three women are raped by someone in their chain of command. A woman in the US military today has a higher chance of being raped than she does of being shot by the enemy. No recruiter is going to tell you that! Itâs long past time this dirty little secret was addressed. Good on ya, Mr. Trudeau.
swhite828 almost 15 years ago
Iâve had one friend (now retired) raped by a fellow soldier in Kuwait, and we know that female soldiers in the Iraq/Afghan theaters are told to avoid walking alone within the perimeter, and thatâs not out of fear of insurgents. I think Trudeau is touching on an important subject (better than the actual news does).
Ed in Toledo Premium Member almost 15 years ago
I think that Melâs problem is that Lt. Seabrook bunks in his office rather than is a designated officers quarters. Or in other words, he has a bed in his officeâŠ
randgrithr almost 15 years ago
@Devonshade: thatâd be even more poetic than him trashing Havocâs backroom heroin deals. Maybe he should do both. Heh.
lindz.coop Premium Member almost 15 years ago
Crispnp, randgrithr & others â A couple of years ago there was an episode on NPR which I played for the Womenâs Studies course I was teaching at the time. It described the situation Mel finds herself in â having been raped and then reassigned with no sensitivity to her issues and had numerous women giving their first-hand accounts. It wouldnât matter whether Seabrook did it or not, because NO, none of the rapists ever stand trial â let alone do time. In fact a deaf ear is turned by higher-ups, and she may even suffer more humiliation if she dares to report. Your last paragraph says it all randgrithr.
alfracto almost 15 years ago
Thanks both to palin drome and Chrisnp. and for that matter randgrithr.
palin drome:
Great link. http://tinyurl.com/y6522n8 also posted by âJoeâ
Everyone should read this, especially those that chide and/or deride GT for being too liberal. (I donât think thereâs anything wrong with being a liberal, but some liberals are way too simplistic. Sometimes Iâm way to simplistic simply out of frustration with frustrated conservatives. )
Anyone who reads this should see that GT is not anti-military and is not naive about the issues he addresses. He admits to his imperfect understanding of complex issues and seeks out help in understanding them.
Chrisnp
After second (third fourth?) look at yesterdays comic I can see that Seabrook may be as you described simply over stressed with overwork. That does not diminish the impact of his brusque treatment of Mel.
As you pointed out until we have further info, speculation remains just that, speculation. Whatever GT has in mind Iâm sure it will speak well to the many issues involved here.
randgrithr
Your (and others) thoughtful exploration of both the individual and systemic aspects of these issues helps me diminish my unfortunate tenancy to rant or overreact.
It reminds me that the best response to both good and bad speech is more thoughtfully leavened speech.
Long live the First Amendment!
FriscoLou almost 15 years ago
randgrithr sex abuse in the military is broader than your examples, which are against policy. They extend to using women willingly as policy, as âsexual weaponsâ against men at Gitmo and Ghriab,
I donât think itâs right to reflexively convict the group because of the identity of the individual. What could the views of female MPs be, because of the image Lyndie England, and be consistent with Melâs views of male soldiers?
Can you imagine her son with the other kids in the sand box and one of them asks: âSo what did your folks do in the war?â And Grainer/Englandâs kid responds: âThey were the Ghraib rapist.â Characters like youâd only find in Doonesbury.
If the LaCrosse fiasco taught us anything: Is that we should target our outrage specifically/relevantly instead of carpet bombing.
Dragoncat almost 15 years ago
âSuccess is doing what you love.â
Mel re-enlisted because this is the kind of work she loves to do. She wasnât feeling depressed when she repaired the USO chopper, was she? NO! In fact, she was at the top of her game.
Now sheâs afraid that history is going to repeat itself.
RinaFarina almost 15 years ago
@Alex Williamson;
I agree wholeheartedly that the best response to both good and bad speech is more thoughtfully leavened speech. (The reason that I donât say anything about the First Amendment is that Iâm Canadian. We donât have amendments as such. But Iâm sure yours is a good one.)
The one thing that drives me most crazy in these comments is people saying âItâs only a cartoon.â But so what? Itâs what people make of it, read into it, that matters. The comic is the springboard - where people take off from.
In short, I donât think the cartoon is so âonlyâ.
RonBerg13 Premium Member almost 15 years ago
BrianCrook⊠And when DOONESBURY is bad, heâs really good!
JP Steve Premium Member almost 15 years ago
Ron, do you mean âand when heâs bad heâs better?