I was on a Egyptian Cruise on the Nile River (pre-revolution) and the further south I got the more I was asked if I was a “Moor”. Needless to say that I am a Black American. So yeah “orinoco wombie” seems to be either in denial or simply made a bit of a honest mistake.
That doesn’t really answer the question. The Iberian Peninsula isn’t anywhere near Germany, which is what Templo was asking about. What he’s saying is that the Germany of Beethoven’s time (18th-19th century) would have been lily-white, so there is no chance that Beethoven would have been black or even biracial.
Yes, Schroeder, you’ve been playing soul music. Beethoven’s music is full of soul, passion, and energy. As a professional pianist, I certainly play his music as such. As a side note to the history lessons being given in the comments, and being an African American man, I am constantly being asked what my ethnicity is. People wonder if I’m from Afghanistan, Pakistan or India. I just smile.
A few facts in this whole question. Germany, and in particular Bonn where Beethoven was born, was adjacent to both France and the Netherlands which were both major colonial and slave trading powers. It was also a common practice in many European courts to have at least a few “blackamoor” servants, the term being “slang for dark skinned people.” So do I think that Beethoven was black, as Lucy suggests: no. Do I think that it is impossible that somewhere in his ancestry there might possibly have been a black person: again no, I don’t think that it is impossible.
Linux0s over 9 years ago
BeethovenTruthers.com
Templo S.U.D. over 9 years ago
Since when were there Africans in 18th/19th-century Germany (or the Holy Roman Empire back then)?
orinoco womble over 9 years ago
The people mistakenly called Moors were not black, dear. I’ve lived in Spain most of my life. I know this,.
Space_cat over 9 years ago
Beethoven’s 5th has a deep bass line, it’s possible..
Mugens Premium Member over 9 years ago
I was on a Egyptian Cruise on the Nile River (pre-revolution) and the further south I got the more I was asked if I was a “Moor”. Needless to say that I am a Black American. So yeah “orinoco wombie” seems to be either in denial or simply made a bit of a honest mistake.
Wren Fahel over 9 years ago
By that…I’m still white. Year ‘round. I don’t tan OR burn. It’s rather pathetic, as I AM part Blackfoot NAI.
Darryl Heine over 9 years ago
Starting week 2 of 1969 Peanuts daily strips.
And this was a few years before we ever heard of “The SOUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLL TRAIN:” (Apologies to the late Don Cornelious).
Chief Inspector over 9 years ago
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQzW73WRrYM
legaleagle48 over 9 years ago
That doesn’t really answer the question. The Iberian Peninsula isn’t anywhere near Germany, which is what Templo was asking about. What he’s saying is that the Germany of Beethoven’s time (18th-19th century) would have been lily-white, so there is no chance that Beethoven would have been black or even biracial.
housepianist over 9 years ago
Yes, Schroeder, you’ve been playing soul music. Beethoven’s music is full of soul, passion, and energy. As a professional pianist, I certainly play his music as such. As a side note to the history lessons being given in the comments, and being an African American man, I am constantly being asked what my ethnicity is. People wonder if I’m from Afghanistan, Pakistan or India. I just smile.
Does it really matter?
BMD Premium Member over 9 years ago
http://www.academia.edu/4074689/Black_Beethoven_and_the_Racial_Politics_of_Music_History
JanLC over 9 years ago
That particular tidbit of information has been acknowledged for many years. So what?
Robert Nowall Premium Member over 9 years ago
After a certain point, you’re taking the wrong end of the stick if you make a bet on your ancestry.
strickmaedel over 9 years ago
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2598/was-ludwig-van-beethoven-of-african-ancestry
rqs1123 over 9 years ago
Another attempt to change history.
Snoopy_Fan over 9 years ago
Schulz was way ahead of the time, eh, Ms. Dolezal?
Number Three over 9 years ago
I love Soul Music and I have a 2-Disc Motown CD.xxx
rush.diana over 9 years ago
Oh good grief……………………………………………………………………..
Tarredandfeathered over 9 years ago
I’m waiting for the DNA results.
legaleagle48 over 9 years ago
It doesn’t help that NunYa Bidness misspelled “Moor”!
bmckee over 9 years ago
A few facts in this whole question. Germany, and in particular Bonn where Beethoven was born, was adjacent to both France and the Netherlands which were both major colonial and slave trading powers. It was also a common practice in many European courts to have at least a few “blackamoor” servants, the term being “slang for dark skinned people.” So do I think that Beethoven was black, as Lucy suggests: no. Do I think that it is impossible that somewhere in his ancestry there might possibly have been a black person: again no, I don’t think that it is impossible.