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jeffc42 said,
And with real health care, this joke wouldnât exist. (Sorry for interjecting political beliefs into this comic.)
hahahahaâŠyouâre right, because with âreal health careâ and the taxes that will be collected, no one will have anything left to be able to buy on creditâŠ
Gee, they let my father pay 32 years for my late brother. Had to mortgage the house twice and live like a pauper, but back then real men paid their own bills.
Actually, âback thenâ is one of the fantasies we all like to live in. Back then people were nobler. Blah blah blah.
Back then, people walked away from their debts as often as today. And before back then, well, what would you call the depression? Actually, this country is filled with the descendants of people who ran out on their debts or other obligations. Itâs our heritage.
The Non Sequitur comic strip has enough occasional political content to justify the same from its message board crew ⊠just sayin âŠ.. thatâs just one reason I like it âŠ. and I love that the government finally has increased its share of the countryâs health care load ⊠itâs sad to see people resorting to fundraisers for kids with cancer ⊠something that is totally unnecessary in other countries âŠ
Right now insurance company bureaucrats are making your medical decisions. They have a vested interest in spending as little money as possible on your care. At least a govât bureaucratâs bonus doesnât depend on how well he screws you. And you have some influence via the vote.
When only 30 to 40 cents of every dollar we pay goes to actual health care, how can we consider that as excellent? With single payer, that amount goes to more than 90 cents and the doctors actually get paid.
I really donât believe anyone could come onto these comments and COMPLAIN about political content. Wiley makes his living poking every thing from religion to politics. Seems like maybe someone really doesnât want informed discussion which makes me think theyâve been smoking the tea. VERY deadly to mental health.
Point of clarification: Since they have free reign for financial domination with an antitrust exemption. The insurance companies own the banks that issue the credit cards and reports as well.
So your visa to good health can be voided as well.
Those who think that health care will be rationed by the government apparently havenât fought with health insurance companies for payment for items their plan is supposed to cover.
Spoiler Alert â we all ready have rationing now: itâs done by the insurance company bureaucrats, and there is no due process or medical privacy.
Well, as it is now the insurance companies make the decisions. Iâve been told you canât have that medication it costs too much, oh and this was my favorite, you really seem to have improved, you can leave the hospital today. The social worker had to plead with them to give me a little more time.
The goal of health care reform has always been. Go to the doctor of your choice, get the health care that you need at a cost that you can afford.
Lies like âDeath Panelsâ and FishStix misinformed idea that âGovernmentâ makes his medical decisions is what prevents this country from achieving this goal.
Justice22 nails it as far as cost and waste is concerned. When insurance companies, spend vast amounts of money on maximizing profits over covering clients real claims we all loose. Providers (meaning hospitals clinics nurses researchers staff facility administrators EMTâs ambulance drivers etc.) are the ones that deserve profit, not insurance companies.
Insurance companies and not government stands between us and health care. Unfortunately they remain so powerful that real change in health care is almost impossible. If a the âpublic optionâ had not been defeated, we would have had a vastly better bill. As it stands Iâm not sure the what we got is going to be enough.
Aaahhhhhh, âthe good old daysâ, been hearing that since back in the 1930s, and folks musta been sayin it before that even. Let people suffer and die because we worship at the alter of the one true god, the almighty DOLLAR! My pharmacist told me that a script that I pay $40 for costs the insurance co. $18. Why do folks w/o insurance have to SUBSIDIZE the ins coâs??
BTW: if you arenât discussing religion/politics, you arenât discussing LIFE. Please be good to everyone, you ainât gonna be here long. Peace
I was office manager in Dr office 25 years ago. After second day a patient was in the hospital, we got a call from insurance company asking for reason for âprolongedâ stay. So the insurance co has been meddling with health care for a long time. Patients were put on intravenous antibiotics as a reason to allow the doctor to make the decision as to when he thought the patient was ready to be discharged. Usually after test results were in. And the doctors I know arenât money hungry, they are doing just fine.
You are right Mythreesons. The ins companies HAVE been meddling for quite a long time. 30 years ago my mum contracted an illness that would leave her bedridden and under constant medical attention for the rest of her life (14 years) and the ins co cancelled their policy. When they did the âfor profitâ hospital transferred her from their ICU to the county hospital ICU, without notifying my dad. He went to see her after work, found an empty room and thought she had died. Thats how our great health care system has been working for quite a while.
Okay, everybody - regardless of your politics - be honest now -
Weâve all held off on going to the doctor (especially dentists) when we need to because we couldnât afford it, right?
And if you have a serious health problem, youâve had to fight with your insurance company after they refused to cover you for a test or treament your doctor insists you need, havenât you?
(I had to threaten to go to Connecticutâs State Attorney General before my wifeâs insurance finally stopped stonewalling her for cancer treatment.)
The health care system - like it or not - was never too efficient, with bean counters deciding what doctors, treatments, tests and prescriptions you should have - regardless of what your doctors say.
The medical system was simply the Survival of the Richest.
Hedge fund manager ONLY made FIVE BILLION DOLLARS last year- wonder how his credit report goes, and what kind of medical coverage HE has? (income from capital gains, max rate of taxation- 15%)
Also the tax-base has been decimated by Republicans (and Democrats)
The best economies are mixed. Free enterprise along with social enterprise. Neither extreme works.
Why donât you stick with something you really know about FishStix? âFishing! Itâs an honorable and very worthwhile pastime worthy of your care and energy. (and Iâm not being sarcastic on this. I wish I could go fishing.)
Wow, Desul, I quess the initials BS are hard for you to type? There certainly is enough over-educated under-informed knowledge in your post today.
Mike Hartman: Amtrak was established by the US Congress in 1970 (41 years) because of heavy LOSSES by PRIVATE COMPANIES. It cut services, streamlined routes and, like the private cos. before it, still needs government support. this is actually because of itâs large union costs, separate social security system and the keeping of featherbed procedures. Not from bad management (this will likely be the only time youâll ever hear me talk that way.) One of my brothers-in-law works for them, so I have a bit of an insider view.
If we were serious about wanting a âfree marketâ approach to health care, the first thing we would do is prohibit companies from picking their employeesâ insurance carriers. The âinvisible handâ of the market only works when the people who actually use the product or service have the power to leave one vendor in favor of another. In the perverse American system, most peopleâs insurance is chosen by their employer, who cares ONLY about minimizing cost. Cut the quality in half to cut the cost by five percent? Sure, why not? (Yes, this happened to me.) Cut costs by denying care to people? Sure, why not? The free market feedback system canât work when the loop is corrupted the way it is in our society.
FishStix so âWhining blind socialists is a compliment!â Thanks for the loving support!
As I said before, there is NO SUCH THING AS OBAMACARE and everyone that uses the term is ignorant of what it is and believes the lies invented to destroy it.
The piecemeal compromises needed to pass the legislation will probably render it much less effective that it should have been.
Please go fishing. Youâll be much happier and very likely contribute greatly to the well-being of the universe.
This reminds me of how Obama and all the idiots in congress screwed the space program by canceling the space shuttle and its replacement that the same buerocrats allready spent $ 20,000,000 renovating a launchpad and $ 4,000,000,000 devloping it. Now we have to rely on the russians, and these politicians are complaining about how we have to stop our reliance on forgin $hit.
Actually, republican idiots spent the money, too, tucker. I used to love NASA when it returned 8 to 1 on the money spent on it in jobs in inventions. Then they made it a part of the military and they havenât produced profits since.
i never said what kind of idiots i just said idiots because im in the âim gonna leave this country and move to new zealand as soon as i get the moneyâ party
comicgos about 14 years ago
Looked like the doctor bill to me!
Kvasir42 Premium Member about 14 years ago
And with real health care, this joke wouldnât exist. (Sorry for interjecting political beliefs into this comic.)
Superfrog about 14 years ago
NOW you want a second opinion.
mickchump about 14 years ago
Doctors tend to probe into as many of your openings they can, be they physical or financial.
loudmouthbass about 14 years ago
jeffc42 said, And with real health care, this joke wouldnât exist. (Sorry for interjecting political beliefs into this comic.)
hahahahaâŠyouâre right, because with âreal health careâ and the taxes that will be collected, no one will have anything left to be able to buy on creditâŠ
walruscarver2000 about 14 years ago
must we always have some cheapshot political comments? Even in the comics???? GIVE IT A REST!!!
lewisbower about 14 years ago
Gee, they let my father pay 32 years for my late brother. Had to mortgage the house twice and live like a pauper, but back then real men paid their own bills.
cdward about 14 years ago
Actually, âback thenâ is one of the fantasies we all like to live in. Back then people were nobler. Blah blah blah.
Back then, people walked away from their debts as often as today. And before back then, well, what would you call the depression? Actually, this country is filled with the descendants of people who ran out on their debts or other obligations. Itâs our heritage.
Sandfan about 14 years ago
This is modern medicineâs most important diagnostic tool. How sick can this guy afford to be?
peter0423 about 14 years ago
Lawyers do the same thing, you know, except when they take you on as a client on a contingency basis â they get paid only if they win.
Hey, thereâs an idea! Have doctors get paid on a contingency basis: they get paid only if, and after, you get better. Give âem some incentive. :)
laserplumb about 14 years ago
The Non Sequitur comic strip has enough occasional political content to justify the same from its message board crew ⊠just sayin âŠ.. thatâs just one reason I like it âŠ. and I love that the government finally has increased its share of the countryâs health care load ⊠itâs sad to see people resorting to fundraisers for kids with cancer ⊠something that is totally unnecessary in other countries âŠ
steverinoCT about 14 years ago
@FishStix,
Right now insurance company bureaucrats are making your medical decisions. They have a vested interest in spending as little money as possible on your care. At least a govât bureaucratâs bonus doesnât depend on how well he screws you. And you have some influence via the vote.
gjsjr41 about 14 years ago
SCAATYâŠâŠI like your idea.
Justice22 about 14 years ago
When only 30 to 40 cents of every dollar we pay goes to actual health care, how can we consider that as excellent? With single payer, that amount goes to more than 90 cents and the doctors actually get paid.
freeholder1 about 14 years ago
I really donât believe anyone could come onto these comments and COMPLAIN about political content. Wiley makes his living poking every thing from religion to politics. Seems like maybe someone really doesnât want informed discussion which makes me think theyâve been smoking the tea. VERY deadly to mental health.
freeholder1 about 14 years ago
Point of clarification: Since they have free reign for financial domination with an antitrust exemption. The insurance companies own the banks that issue the credit cards and reports as well.
So your visa to good health can be voided as well.
WineStar Premium Member about 14 years ago
Ah, the joys of Blue Cross Blue Shield.
Those who think that health care will be rationed by the government apparently havenât fought with health insurance companies for payment for items their plan is supposed to cover.
Spoiler Alert â we all ready have rationing now: itâs done by the insurance company bureaucrats, and there is no due process or medical privacy.
DesultoryPhillipic about 14 years ago
âinformed discussionâ More like opinionated bovine scatology.
batterie61 Premium Member about 14 years ago
Well, as it is now the insurance companies make the decisions. Iâve been told you canât have that medication it costs too much, oh and this was my favorite, you really seem to have improved, you can leave the hospital today. The social worker had to plead with them to give me a little more time.
junco49 about 14 years ago
The goal of health care reform has always been. Go to the doctor of your choice, get the health care that you need at a cost that you can afford.
Lies like âDeath Panelsâ and FishStix misinformed idea that âGovernmentâ makes his medical decisions is what prevents this country from achieving this goal.
Justice22 nails it as far as cost and waste is concerned. When insurance companies, spend vast amounts of money on maximizing profits over covering clients real claims we all loose. Providers (meaning hospitals clinics nurses researchers staff facility administrators EMTâs ambulance drivers etc.) are the ones that deserve profit, not insurance companies.
Insurance companies and not government stands between us and health care. Unfortunately they remain so powerful that real change in health care is almost impossible. If a the âpublic optionâ had not been defeated, we would have had a vastly better bill. As it stands Iâm not sure the what we got is going to be enough.
1OldDude about 14 years ago
Aaahhhhhh, âthe good old daysâ, been hearing that since back in the 1930s, and folks musta been sayin it before that even. Let people suffer and die because we worship at the alter of the one true god, the almighty DOLLAR! My pharmacist told me that a script that I pay $40 for costs the insurance co. $18. Why do folks w/o insurance have to SUBSIDIZE the ins coâs?? BTW: if you arenât discussing religion/politics, you arenât discussing LIFE. Please be good to everyone, you ainât gonna be here long. Peace
Mythreesons about 14 years ago
I was office manager in Dr office 25 years ago. After second day a patient was in the hospital, we got a call from insurance company asking for reason for âprolongedâ stay. So the insurance co has been meddling with health care for a long time. Patients were put on intravenous antibiotics as a reason to allow the doctor to make the decision as to when he thought the patient was ready to be discharged. Usually after test results were in. And the doctors I know arenât money hungry, they are doing just fine.
Redhead55 about 14 years ago
You are right Mythreesons. The ins companies HAVE been meddling for quite a long time. 30 years ago my mum contracted an illness that would leave her bedridden and under constant medical attention for the rest of her life (14 years) and the ins co cancelled their policy. When they did the âfor profitâ hospital transferred her from their ICU to the county hospital ICU, without notifying my dad. He went to see her after work, found an empty room and thought she had died. Thats how our great health care system has been working for quite a while.
Can't Sleep about 14 years ago
Okay, everybody - regardless of your politics - be honest now -
Weâve all held off on going to the doctor (especially dentists) when we need to because we couldnât afford it, right?
And if you have a serious health problem, youâve had to fight with your insurance company after they refused to cover you for a test or treament your doctor insists you need, havenât you?
(I had to threaten to go to Connecticutâs State Attorney General before my wifeâs insurance finally stopped stonewalling her for cancer treatment.)
The health care system - like it or not - was never too efficient, with bean counters deciding what doctors, treatments, tests and prescriptions you should have - regardless of what your doctors say.
The medical system was simply the Survival of the Richest.
So will this be better? Canât be much worse.
mikie136 about 14 years ago
The goovernment runs things so well just look at amtrack, fanny may, freddy mac, and $500.00 hammers & toilet seats
LeStats about 14 years ago
Hey! The guy has boat paymentsâŠ
SaunaBeach about 14 years ago
And just how much is a SECOND opinion?
treered about 14 years ago
back in the good old days when Blue Cross was a non-profitâŠ
Dtroutma about 14 years ago
Hedge fund manager ONLY made FIVE BILLION DOLLARS last year- wonder how his credit report goes, and what kind of medical coverage HE has? (income from capital gains, max rate of taxation- 15%)
ChukLitl Premium Member about 14 years ago
My credit report fits on a 3by 5 card. This confuses banks.
junco49 about 14 years ago
FishStix and ladyfingers86:
It must be nice to speak from ignorance 24/7.
And there is no such thing as Obamacare.
The economy was wrecked by speculators.
Also the tax-base has been decimated by Republicans (and Democrats)
The best economies are mixed. Free enterprise along with social enterprise. Neither extreme works.
Why donât you stick with something you really know about FishStix? âFishing! Itâs an honorable and very worthwhile pastime worthy of your care and energy. (and Iâm not being sarcastic on this. I wish I could go fishing.)
freeholder1 about 14 years ago
Wow, Desul, I quess the initials BS are hard for you to type? There certainly is enough over-educated under-informed knowledge in your post today.
Mike Hartman: Amtrak was established by the US Congress in 1970 (41 years) because of heavy LOSSES by PRIVATE COMPANIES. It cut services, streamlined routes and, like the private cos. before it, still needs government support. this is actually because of itâs large union costs, separate social security system and the keeping of featherbed procedures. Not from bad management (this will likely be the only time youâll ever hear me talk that way.) One of my brothers-in-law works for them, so I have a bit of an insider view.
puddleglum1066 about 14 years ago
If we were serious about wanting a âfree marketâ approach to health care, the first thing we would do is prohibit companies from picking their employeesâ insurance carriers. The âinvisible handâ of the market only works when the people who actually use the product or service have the power to leave one vendor in favor of another. In the perverse American system, most peopleâs insurance is chosen by their employer, who cares ONLY about minimizing cost. Cut the quality in half to cut the cost by five percent? Sure, why not? (Yes, this happened to me.) Cut costs by denying care to people? Sure, why not? The free market feedback system canât work when the loop is corrupted the way it is in our society.
bmonk about 14 years ago
Iâm just wondering what leaves the person more exposedâa hospital gown, or a credit reportâŠ
junco49 about 14 years ago
FishStix so âWhining blind socialists is a compliment!â Thanks for the loving support!
As I said before, there is NO SUCH THING AS OBAMACARE and everyone that uses the term is ignorant of what it is and believes the lies invented to destroy it.
The piecemeal compromises needed to pass the legislation will probably render it much less effective that it should have been.
Please go fishing. Youâll be much happier and very likely contribute greatly to the well-being of the universe.
Tucker_Storrs about 14 years ago
This reminds me of how Obama and all the idiots in congress screwed the space program by canceling the space shuttle and its replacement that the same buerocrats allready spent $ 20,000,000 renovating a launchpad and $ 4,000,000,000 devloping it. Now we have to rely on the russians, and these politicians are complaining about how we have to stop our reliance on forgin $hit.
freeholder1 about 14 years ago
Actually, republican idiots spent the money, too, tucker. I used to love NASA when it returned 8 to 1 on the money spent on it in jobs in inventions. Then they made it a part of the military and they havenât produced profits since.
Tucker_Storrs about 14 years ago
i never said what kind of idiots i just said idiots because im in the âim gonna leave this country and move to new zealand as soon as i get the moneyâ party
Tucker_Storrs about 14 years ago
oh and if you wana support NASA you can buy a shuttle for the low cost of⊠$ 28,800,000 !!!!
bmonk about 14 years ago
Yeah, Tucker_Storrs âbut those shuttles are used! Millions of miles on each and every one!