@towerwhy are you so happy to inhale smog so some corporate CEOs can get richer? Why are you not happy that an institution like EPA exists, in order to ensure yours and others fresh air? Is it a bad thing simply because it’s government owned? No private institution would look after you like that. And no, I don’t work in a governement institution, I’m self-employed but recognize the value of pulling certain things together, via fair taxes and regulations.
Nonsense, tower. Bush gutted the Clean Air Act with his “Clear Skies Initiative” (a lovely example of 1984-speak). We haven’t added anything significant to our restrictions for years, and Obama has caved to the GOP desire to reduce them even more.
@tower..:Look up the carbon cycle and see why exhaled carbon dioxide is not part of the problem. Who the heck was your chemistry teacher? And you want to cut education in the richest country in the world?
The “give ’em the small stuff, save it for the big stuff fight”, is wearing thin. It’s time to stuff something up the elephant’s trunk, and make it stick.
i like clean air.i like clean wateri like the airplanes i fly in to be regulated.
balsam,one very disturbing example (and there are more) is the MTBE in the groundwater in california. it gets there because regulation, for some inexplicable reason, requires it in california gasoline.
if the regulation took MTBE out of the gasoline (along with ethanol – another problematic regulation) there would not be a growing amount of the poison in the water.
and gasoline would be less expensive in california.
In the speech tonight he wisely state he wouldn’t allow using the “panic” to allow unwise deregulation, or preparing stupid ones, let’s hope he starts doing so. Remove all STOP signs in heavily Republican districts, and see what they think of “deregulation”.
Has anyone read “Death of the Liberal Class” by Chris Hedges? I’d be very interested to hear opinions by liberals and leftists, such as motive, or fennec, or DrC, or OmQ, or others of my old buddies, or from newer voices I know less well.
Lonecat: I’m most of the way through it at the moment. I agree with a lot of what he says, but as with any author/book, agree to disagree on some elements. The main point I do find accurate; the “liberal” is gone from government and many areas outside, and largely it was suicide by submission to the same element as with “conservatives” – basic greed- for money or power.
Just got through Hedges’ interview with Nader. Nader is a guy I’ve never liked, partly because I used to RACE Corvairs, and there was nothing accurate in his book. I also find Nader to be a total narcissist and egomaniac, more than “consumer advocate”.
It is interesting that neither “liberals” nor “conservatives” today even know what the word actually means.
That “liberal” has become an epithet, is a sign of ignorance, but then, what in “politics” today, is not?
It is also worth noting that “conservative” is also NOT what it was in the days of Ike- who today would be considered a “flaming liberal”.
“Radicalism”, whether political, or in fundamentalist “religions”- ALL OF THEM- has so divided and distorted the “civilized” members of our species- it does make you wish for a “hunter gatherer” society, faced with the reality, that a leopard or tiger might eat you if your just plain stupid.
comicgos almost 13 years ago
The republicans just won’t STOP!
cdward almost 13 years ago
Sigh.
Donaldo Premium Member almost 13 years ago
@towerwhy are you so happy to inhale smog so some corporate CEOs can get richer? Why are you not happy that an institution like EPA exists, in order to ensure yours and others fresh air? Is it a bad thing simply because it’s government owned? No private institution would look after you like that. And no, I don’t work in a governement institution, I’m self-employed but recognize the value of pulling certain things together, via fair taxes and regulations.
Motivemagus almost 13 years ago
Nonsense, tower. Bush gutted the Clean Air Act with his “Clear Skies Initiative” (a lovely example of 1984-speak). We haven’t added anything significant to our restrictions for years, and Obama has caved to the GOP desire to reduce them even more.
eepatt almost 13 years ago
@tower..:Look up the carbon cycle and see why exhaled carbon dioxide is not part of the problem. Who the heck was your chemistry teacher? And you want to cut education in the richest country in the world?
Dtroutma almost 13 years ago
The “give ’em the small stuff, save it for the big stuff fight”, is wearing thin. It’s time to stuff something up the elephant’s trunk, and make it stick.
tcity almost 13 years ago
How soon we forget…
dannysixpack almost 13 years ago
i like clean air.i like clean wateri like the airplanes i fly in to be regulated.
balsam,one very disturbing example (and there are more) is the MTBE in the groundwater in california. it gets there because regulation, for some inexplicable reason, requires it in california gasoline.
if the regulation took MTBE out of the gasoline (along with ethanol – another problematic regulation) there would not be a growing amount of the poison in the water.
and gasoline would be less expensive in california.
why is this not in the news or a priority?
dan
Dtroutma almost 13 years ago
In the speech tonight he wisely state he wouldn’t allow using the “panic” to allow unwise deregulation, or preparing stupid ones, let’s hope he starts doing so. Remove all STOP signs in heavily Republican districts, and see what they think of “deregulation”.
lonecat almost 13 years ago
Has anyone read “Death of the Liberal Class” by Chris Hedges? I’d be very interested to hear opinions by liberals and leftists, such as motive, or fennec, or DrC, or OmQ, or others of my old buddies, or from newer voices I know less well.
Dtroutma almost 13 years ago
Lonecat: I’m most of the way through it at the moment. I agree with a lot of what he says, but as with any author/book, agree to disagree on some elements. The main point I do find accurate; the “liberal” is gone from government and many areas outside, and largely it was suicide by submission to the same element as with “conservatives” – basic greed- for money or power.
Just got through Hedges’ interview with Nader. Nader is a guy I’ve never liked, partly because I used to RACE Corvairs, and there was nothing accurate in his book. I also find Nader to be a total narcissist and egomaniac, more than “consumer advocate”.
It is interesting that neither “liberals” nor “conservatives” today even know what the word actually means.
That “liberal” has become an epithet, is a sign of ignorance, but then, what in “politics” today, is not?
It is also worth noting that “conservative” is also NOT what it was in the days of Ike- who today would be considered a “flaming liberal”.
“Radicalism”, whether political, or in fundamentalist “religions”- ALL OF THEM- has so divided and distorted the “civilized” members of our species- it does make you wish for a “hunter gatherer” society, faced with the reality, that a leopard or tiger might eat you if your just plain stupid.