I think it’s time we put that matter of happen with the catholic church and move on. They atoned for what happen and that’s that. It’s getting old now!
oof. got that right. they’re all still running on a 1000 year old mistranslations-gorged bible, written by undernourished semi-literate monks. learn aramaic/biblical hebrew, and greek, then read the original stuff (or at least what the “church” hasn’t doctored up over the last 1400 years). nothing at all like what gets waved around on the street corners. ie: the romans didn’t crucify criminals, they hung them. crucifixion was a catholic church torture. not as roman-tic an end for a god, eh? XD
Would it be funny if the Catholic guy showed up at Heaven’s gates one day and Peter (or whoever..in the comics, it’s always Peter) says, “You’re not on the list?” How about the cave man guy? Just asking.
FYI, the Catholic church does not deny the theory of evolution. That is obviously supposed to represent a Catholic bishop. Putting your ignorance on display for the world to see is not a pretty sight. In fact it makes you look asinine.
It’s all about monopoly…of hope and fear…present the desired opportunity, then have them pay various kinds of toll for entrance..ooops, I just got the angle about denying our basic heritage…thanks. Even funnier from that POV.
This strip, and many of the comments on it, are an anthology of misinformation and bigotry about religion in general, and Roman Catholicism in particular. I get Wiley’s joke, and I get that a bishop in his vestments is a convenient visual symbol for authoritarian religion. (As it happens, fundamentalists of every religion — including atheism — are the most small-minded authoritarians of them all. The Roman Catholic church has no problem with evolution or an old earth…but then where would the visual gag be?).Trying to sort all of this out would be like shoveling raw sewage: as much as you dispose of, more flows in to take its place, and I don’t have the energy for that this morning. So to all of you self-satisfied critics, I’ll simply say this: you’re like a man with a debilitating illness refusing his medicine because he doesn’t like the taste, and he thinks up the most elaborate reasons why the medicine must be unnecessary or even poisonous, and his physician is a depraved quack. The best I can hope for you is that you’ll sometime honestly wonder, “But what if I’m wrong, after all?” That’s all that any intellectually honest person needs..One more thing: all of the criticisms of religion, etc., actually have nothing to do with religion, but with the basic human nature of some of the people who follow their religion. With the best of intentions, as Scott Adams has put it, everyone is stupid sometimes. (Or worse, an asshole.) That would include agnostics and free-thinkers, my friends, as well as the most deeply religious. We all must start by tolerating each other’s imperfections.
The comments are more entertaining than the strip today.Wiley presumably had some concrete idea of what he wanted to communicate, but it doesn’t come across very clearly. The elements don’t cohere very well.
Because the Pope leads a group of misanthropists, child molesters and rapists who think that whatever they do it’s women’s faults; who insist on no birth control, but do nothing to help raise the results; and who regularly violate their founder’s poverty and humility by dressing themselves in silks and satins, while the poor dress in rags, and decorate their castles in gold and jewels while the poor starve – sometimes, as in Rio, right on the castles’ doorsteps.
Faith: To believe in something despite a lack of quantifiable scientific evidence.
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Science: To believe in something based on quantifiable evidence.
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The two are not mutually exclusive, folks. This is more a crack at the closed-minded than a crack on any one religion. The Pope just makes for the easiest association for a group infamous for willful ignorance (remember Galileo? It took the Church three centuries to admit he was right about the Earth orbiting the sun).
“…if you’re tolerating our imperfections, why do you feel so impelled to ‘try to sort all this out’? Perhaps, regarding the strip, the comments, and the criticism of religion, you’d do well to ask yourself, ‘But what if I’m wrong, after all?’”.That would be my imperfection, GatoCat. :) I’m a compulsive nitpicker and correcter — I always have been. I’m not proud of it, and I hate to think about how many times it must have made me a chore to be around, but there it is…. But I always welcome being corrected when I’m in the wrong: otherwise, I would continue to be wrong, and I don’t want that. (And I ask myself that question — “What if I’m wrong?” — all the time.).Anyway, what I’m carping about aren’t transcendent questions about Truth (God and religious belief) — I have my own convictions, for what I think are good reasons, but that’s something we each have to work out within ourselves..Rather, what hit my starter button are statements about religion, and Catholicism, that are wrong in the sense of being plain errors of fact. Incorrect. Objectively and demonstrably untrue. (Some may even be deliberate lies. But as a personal policy I prefer ignorance as an explanation over malice. It’s less unkind, and much more likely to be accurate.) That’s the “all this” that I declined to “sort out”, and having seen all of the other comments, I think I made the right choice. People who are that personally, rigidly invested in their own set of “facts” simply can’t be persuaded by opposing argument and proof — it just makes them dig in harder. Look at our current Congress if you want an example….
You mean “Sex”? Yeah, odd how God made such a “monsterous evil filth” such an incredibly pleasurable experience. (As well as a biological imperative.) You’d think that He didn’t want us to do it at all ever. [/sarcasm] That’s why I long ago stopped listening to men who wear funny looking hats.
Evolution: concerned with the mechanics of creationFaith: concerned with the ‘why’ of creationOrganised Religion: man’s very flawed attempt at creation
Hope his statement isn’t infallible. I don’t want to quit the Church because I’m not on the list. By the way I saw the rat, fish, and the dinosaur in line. Do you think I can request an audience for my cat?
tis4kis almost 13 years ago
Amen
wilb44 almost 13 years ago
Who wrote the list????
Ida No almost 13 years ago
Not of the list, not getting in. Unless you’re named “J-Lo”, and then you get a free pass.
elbeck almost 13 years ago
Note that ego evolved from a rat.
wilb44 almost 13 years ago
1st gated community
chris_weaver almost 13 years ago
All that precious evolution gone to waste!
Varnes almost 13 years ago
Well, this is gonna get interesting….
Varnes almost 13 years ago
Um…………. the Pope’s from New York? Get outa here!
PhantomPlumber almost 13 years ago
Sounds like papal bull to me.
roctor almost 13 years ago
We evolved only far enough to deny our historic existence.OT Theres no thing on my Google.
thirdguy almost 13 years ago
What happened to Flo’s diner?
monawarner almost 13 years ago
Okay, Why the Pope? Evangelicals are just as bad when it comes to denying reality.
Richard Howland-Bolton Premium Member almost 13 years ago
But they are a bit harder to draw
Lyons Group, Inc. almost 13 years ago
I think it’s time we put that matter of happen with the catholic church and move on. They atoned for what happen and that’s that. It’s getting old now!
susan.e.a.c almost 13 years ago
I wonder why the pope too? Catholics don’t have a problem with evolution or “old earth” ideas?
js305 almost 13 years ago
Pope, evangelicals???? It’s everywhere. Humans are like that.
dfowensby almost 13 years ago
oof. got that right. they’re all still running on a 1000 year old mistranslations-gorged bible, written by undernourished semi-literate monks. learn aramaic/biblical hebrew, and greek, then read the original stuff (or at least what the “church” hasn’t doctored up over the last 1400 years). nothing at all like what gets waved around on the street corners. ie: the romans didn’t crucify criminals, they hung them. crucifixion was a catholic church torture. not as roman-tic an end for a god, eh? XD
Harryfan almost 13 years ago
Noah’s Ark was a gated community that Rick Santorum would’ve approved of.
bransom almost 13 years ago
The only thing dumber than religion is evolution.
tripwire45 almost 13 years ago
Would it be funny if the Catholic guy showed up at Heaven’s gates one day and Peter (or whoever..in the comics, it’s always Peter) says, “You’re not on the list?” How about the cave man guy? Just asking.
zenguyuno almost 13 years ago
I don’t get it. Does anyone get this joke?
psychlady almost 13 years ago
They all have to follow the list!
ChazNCenTex almost 13 years ago
Because drawing the pope costume is easier than drawing an evangelical preacher that’s as easily identifiable.
jolats almost 13 years ago
FYI, the Catholic church does not deny the theory of evolution. That is obviously supposed to represent a Catholic bishop. Putting your ignorance on display for the world to see is not a pretty sight. In fact it makes you look asinine.
APersonOfInterest almost 13 years ago
Kudos Wiley !!!! You nailed it.
The Life I Draw Upon almost 13 years ago
So many good comments.
tigre1 almost 13 years ago
It’s all about monopoly…of hope and fear…present the desired opportunity, then have them pay various kinds of toll for entrance..ooops, I just got the angle about denying our basic heritage…thanks. Even funnier from that POV.
PShaw0423 almost 13 years ago
This strip, and many of the comments on it, are an anthology of misinformation and bigotry about religion in general, and Roman Catholicism in particular. I get Wiley’s joke, and I get that a bishop in his vestments is a convenient visual symbol for authoritarian religion. (As it happens, fundamentalists of every religion — including atheism — are the most small-minded authoritarians of them all. The Roman Catholic church has no problem with evolution or an old earth…but then where would the visual gag be?).Trying to sort all of this out would be like shoveling raw sewage: as much as you dispose of, more flows in to take its place, and I don’t have the energy for that this morning. So to all of you self-satisfied critics, I’ll simply say this: you’re like a man with a debilitating illness refusing his medicine because he doesn’t like the taste, and he thinks up the most elaborate reasons why the medicine must be unnecessary or even poisonous, and his physician is a depraved quack. The best I can hope for you is that you’ll sometime honestly wonder, “But what if I’m wrong, after all?” That’s all that any intellectually honest person needs..One more thing: all of the criticisms of religion, etc., actually have nothing to do with religion, but with the basic human nature of some of the people who follow their religion. With the best of intentions, as Scott Adams has put it, everyone is stupid sometimes. (Or worse, an asshole.) That would include agnostics and free-thinkers, my friends, as well as the most deeply religious. We all must start by tolerating each other’s imperfections.
Yukoneric almost 13 years ago
Dem Catlicks?
fritzoid Premium Member almost 13 years ago
The comments are more entertaining than the strip today.Wiley presumably had some concrete idea of what he wanted to communicate, but it doesn’t come across very clearly. The elements don’t cohere very well.
dabugger almost 13 years ago
yeah, religion sucks……why is irrelevent…
Spyderred almost 13 years ago
Because the Pope leads a group of misanthropists, child molesters and rapists who think that whatever they do it’s women’s faults; who insist on no birth control, but do nothing to help raise the results; and who regularly violate their founder’s poverty and humility by dressing themselves in silks and satins, while the poor dress in rags, and decorate their castles in gold and jewels while the poor starve – sometimes, as in Rio, right on the castles’ doorsteps.
Ernest Lemmingway almost 13 years ago
Faith: To believe in something despite a lack of quantifiable scientific evidence.
.
Science: To believe in something based on quantifiable evidence.
.
The two are not mutually exclusive, folks. This is more a crack at the closed-minded than a crack on any one religion. The Pope just makes for the easiest association for a group infamous for willful ignorance (remember Galileo? It took the Church three centuries to admit he was right about the Earth orbiting the sun).
michonasmith Premium Member almost 13 years ago
Huh?
Paul Rider Premium Member almost 13 years ago
This is brilliant!
This is not a knock on any religion in particular. The garb of the cleeric is so to make it clear that the listholder is seen as a religious figure.
Thomas Hart Premium Member almost 13 years ago
This is so devastatingly brilliant and courageous. Now draw the same cartoon with an Imam.
Anti-Catholicism is the last refuge of the bigot.
PShaw0423 almost 13 years ago
“…if you’re tolerating our imperfections, why do you feel so impelled to ‘try to sort all this out’? Perhaps, regarding the strip, the comments, and the criticism of religion, you’d do well to ask yourself, ‘But what if I’m wrong, after all?’”.That would be my imperfection, GatoCat. :) I’m a compulsive nitpicker and correcter — I always have been. I’m not proud of it, and I hate to think about how many times it must have made me a chore to be around, but there it is…. But I always welcome being corrected when I’m in the wrong: otherwise, I would continue to be wrong, and I don’t want that. (And I ask myself that question — “What if I’m wrong?” — all the time.).Anyway, what I’m carping about aren’t transcendent questions about Truth (God and religious belief) — I have my own convictions, for what I think are good reasons, but that’s something we each have to work out within ourselves..Rather, what hit my starter button are statements about religion, and Catholicism, that are wrong in the sense of being plain errors of fact. Incorrect. Objectively and demonstrably untrue. (Some may even be deliberate lies. But as a personal policy I prefer ignorance as an explanation over malice. It’s less unkind, and much more likely to be accurate.) That’s the “all this” that I declined to “sort out”, and having seen all of the other comments, I think I made the right choice. People who are that personally, rigidly invested in their own set of “facts” simply can’t be persuaded by opposing argument and proof — it just makes them dig in harder. Look at our current Congress if you want an example….
bobwitmer almost 13 years ago
True, but, Evangelicals never had an Inquisition like the RCs, although I’m sure they would like to try.
reynard61 almost 13 years ago
You mean “Sex”? Yeah, odd how God made such a “monsterous evil filth” such an incredibly pleasurable experience. (As well as a biological imperative.) You’d think that He didn’t want us to do it at all ever. [/sarcasm] That’s why I long ago stopped listening to men who wear funny looking hats.
Varnes almost 13 years ago
Number Six, Well played, sir! A perfect Non Sequitur comment!BTW, all religious dogma is just unbelievable…sue me…
JR6019 almost 13 years ago
Apples and Oranges
Evolution: concerned with the mechanics of creationFaith: concerned with the ‘why’ of creationOrganised Religion: man’s very flawed attempt at creation
JR6019 almost 13 years ago
Organized with a Z! Sorry Liza. Comics.com had a correction feature. Wish they would have kept that one.
sparkielee almost 12 years ago
Hope his statement isn’t infallible. I don’t want to quit the Church because I’m not on the list. By the way I saw the rat, fish, and the dinosaur in line. Do you think I can request an audience for my cat?