Minding your own business is the way for about half of Americans – the others want to control every aspect of your life – except for gun ownership, of course.
VERY WELL put, Pab. CBS should carry both sides. Why is it that most prochoice people are men?? I say, when a man can bear a child then he can have a say. With men being the bearer there would be no need to be birth control. The pain of having one would be the end of that.
@ chuckransdell - Speaking one’s mind is one thing, trying to legislate others’ lives is another. Intolerance scares me not because it’s spoken but because it’s acted on.
As a famous man once said “Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should”. Freedom of Speech also means Freedom to Not Listen and Freedom to Tell Someone To Shut Up.
Free speech- I bet they put it number one cause all the rest rely on it.
Gun ownership- Do you think our forefathers wanted to protect Amendment one?
Due process- Were they talking about Health Redistribution of wealth?
Search and Seizure-Did anyone tell IRS?
All others belong to the States- Was that a typo?
Maybe the author should take his own advice about minding his own business and ignore what others say if he doesn’t agree with it. There are valid reasons supporting both sides of this debate and too often one side side tries to demonize the other instead of having a civil debate.
Creniere said,
Further, if men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament
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Are you talking about men? Or merely males who happen to impregnate someone?There is a big difference.
A man would be careful and only father children when the time is right for him and his wife. A man would stick by her and do his best to share her burden. A man is also ready to help raise his mistakes. And a man would be devastated by the abortion of his child.
On the other hand, you’re right. Some guy, screwing around without a care in the world wouldn’t care. You’re right, a guy like that would be relieved if she ‘did the right thing’ and got rid of it.
So it all comes down to which world of ‘men’ do you want to live in? If we can be pro-choice as far as abortion is concerned we can be pro-choice about the kind of people we are.
And please, don’t start shrieking at me. I’m not talking about women here. If men would be men and accept responsibility there would not have to be abortion.
Let’s go for the simple solution. All aborted embryos will immediately be frozen for implantation in (and subsequent raising by) “pro-life” volunteers. Within ten years, given sufficient hormonal preparation, men will be able to host the embryos as well. Problem solved!
Dypak, while your point is well-made, I think Creniere may have meant that if men carried the babies as well as/instead of women, things would be different in terms of things such as birth control, abortion, childbirth procedures, etc, etc.
All this discussion is just blah, blah, blah until and unless you realize that Tim is speaking up for 40 million plus aborted individuals that were not given a chance to speak for themselves.
Also consider this…the artist is using the image of a person who would be sworn to defend the christian faith including the sanctity of the life of an unborn. An apology is due to her for using her likeness in this way.
Great cartoon. And agree - I’ll be impressed with all this anti-abortion stuff only when I see those same groups providing funds for raising and educating all those kids.
Spyderred, we do. We’re huge adoption advocates, and a lot of foster moms are pro-life. We have crisis pregnancy centers where we counsel moms-to-be on adoption options, many have social work connections, and we take constant donations of cribs, canned goods, toys, and gently used baby clothes.
Kids outgrown those onsies? Got that crib taking space in the attic? What about the car seat they’re too big for? Donate them to your local crisis pregnancy center and give moms who chose life a chance to raise them right!
Support her right to a choice… the choice of life!
This is still America. Well, what’s left of it after a year of communist destruction, and Tebow still has a right to his opinion that he’d rather be alive than not, just like people have a right to their opinions in these comments. If you don’t like it, you still have the right to IGNORE IT.
This just adds to the proof that liberals aren’t REALLY pro CHOICE.
If we don’t like something we ignore it. If they don’t like something they want it outlawed, or they rant and rave that you have to SHUT UP, like the Obamunist does every day to the growing dissent.
I thought I was going to like this strip, but maybe not.
When those dopey commercials come on just turn it to the puppy bowl and all political angst will fade away. Who can resist the cute puppies and kitties.
I watched the superbowl once (in courtesy to my son visiting me last year), and he even explained things to me that made it tolerable. My problem with the commercials is NOT that one, but that our government chose to buy one (at that excessive cost) just to encourage people for the census in this economy. As a part-timer whose work depends on the construction industry (I do permit and construction drawings for architects who are not staffed, and email them to a printing service that delivers).
Other than that one, thanks, Pab, I know the Tebow one has raised contoversy- just don’t know why more protest has not been made about the gov. waste…
mrlukeskywalker, not in the least. The fundies still want to legislate their bigotry on everyone who does not share it. Had they adopted a “live and let live” attitude, loving same sex couples could share in the same rights they claim.
dawnsfire said,
Dypak, while your point is well-made, I think Creniere may have meant that if men carried the babies as well as/instead of women, things would be different in terms of things such as birth control, abortion, childbirth procedures, etc, etc.
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I’m pretty sure I caught Creniere’s point. It is pretty obvious. And it’s a pointless point since it’s unlikely to ever happen.
My point is that men do have a role and a purpose in reproduction and that if men fulfilled their responsibilities we would not need to be having this conversation. And if women (and men) quit choosing to have sex with people who act irresponsibly we would greatly reduce the need for abortions in the first place.
Hi, Dypak, good to see you again. I totally agree with your scenario, and wish that it could be, but unfortunately, we’re dealing with human beings here and there’s no way to pass out maturity and a sense of responsibility…
LibrarianinTraining - The networks DID refuse to carry the ads from the United Church of Christ. The ones that said that everyone is welcome in church. Too radical a concept for broadcast tv.
Watching the ads on the SB, no surprise the ads tended to appeal to (heterosexual) men between the ages of 17-35… from the Godaddy.com ads (boring, now, sorry) to this pervasive theme of some kind of phobia of being “emasculated:” men being “forced” to shop with their significant others (and missing the usual televised sports event) and a downright scary-looking advert of men vowing to do everything their spouses want them to (leading up to a muscle car being their “last stand”)…
NeoCon to the max.
Fortunately, the game itself was good, despite the persistent thought that in 30 or 40 years, a number of those young blokes are going to suffer dementia brought on by repeated blows to the head (ironically a by-product of the state-of-the-art helmets they’re using), that the NFL will likely not take responsibility for.
MorganZ almost 15 years ago
YES !!!!
zero almost 15 years ago
Tebow or not Tebow? that is the question….*
*Passing, on rude Prince Albert in the can joke.
slug_queen almost 15 years ago
But ‘minding your own bloody business’ isn’t the American Way (TM)! Where’s the money in that?
cdward almost 15 years ago
Minding your own business is the way for about half of Americans – the others want to control every aspect of your life – except for gun ownership, of course.
Charles Brobst Premium Member almost 15 years ago
cdward is SO right!
Charles Ransdell Premium Member almost 15 years ago
Whatever happened to freedom of speech. Liberals are tolerant only of those who agree with them, sadly.
Yukoneric almost 15 years ago
VERY WELL put, Pab. CBS should carry both sides. Why is it that most prochoice people are men?? I say, when a man can bear a child then he can have a say. With men being the bearer there would be no need to be birth control. The pain of having one would be the end of that.
kfaatz925 almost 15 years ago
@ chuckransdell - Speaking one’s mind is one thing, trying to legislate others’ lives is another. Intolerance scares me not because it’s spoken but because it’s acted on.
Great one today, Pab.
LibrarianInTraining almost 15 years ago
Yukoneric, they can carry both sides if they choose to. No one’s stopping Planned Parenthood from putting out a commercial.
And no one’s trying to legislate anything in this commercial. It’s no different than the commercials put out by the Latter Day Saints.
Jascat almost 15 years ago
Elephants and Donkeys may look different on the surface, but—-You can fill in the blank ; )
mamarose127 Premium Member almost 15 years ago
As a famous man once said “Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should”. Freedom of Speech also means Freedom to Not Listen and Freedom to Tell Someone To Shut Up.
lewisbower almost 15 years ago
Free speech- I bet they put it number one cause all the rest rely on it. Gun ownership- Do you think our forefathers wanted to protect Amendment one? Due process- Were they talking about Health Redistribution of wealth? Search and Seizure-Did anyone tell IRS? All others belong to the States- Was that a typo?
MarjeanS almost 15 years ago
Actually the network REFUSED to carry a Planned Parenthood ad during the game - it’s not free speech - unless both sides are allowed to speak.
Of course most of the women who did what Mrs. Tebow did couldn’t speak out - because they died after ingnoring doctors orders
MissTia almost 15 years ago
well put pab!!!!
davewillis almost 15 years ago
A: It’s a football game and fundamentals are important.
B: Its noise and Fundamentalists are not important.
Nighthawks Premium Member almost 15 years ago
right on!…….
oh, well, see, that used to be an expression in the seventies meaning “I agree with you”
Creniere almost 15 years ago
Yukoneric: Yes!
Further, if men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament
mivins almost 15 years ago
Well done, Pab!
celeconecca almost 15 years ago
Amen, amen, amen.
miniskunk almost 15 years ago
Maybe the author should take his own advice about minding his own business and ignore what others say if he doesn’t agree with it. There are valid reasons supporting both sides of this debate and too often one side side tries to demonize the other instead of having a civil debate.
alfracto almost 15 years ago
First: Safe Legal and Freely Accessible
Second: Full and open discussion.
Third: Individual unfettered decision.
Durak Premium Member almost 15 years ago
Creniere said, Further, if men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament —————————- Are you talking about men? Or merely males who happen to impregnate someone?There is a big difference.
A man would be careful and only father children when the time is right for him and his wife. A man would stick by her and do his best to share her burden. A man is also ready to help raise his mistakes. And a man would be devastated by the abortion of his child.
On the other hand, you’re right. Some guy, screwing around without a care in the world wouldn’t care. You’re right, a guy like that would be relieved if she ‘did the right thing’ and got rid of it.
So it all comes down to which world of ‘men’ do you want to live in? If we can be pro-choice as far as abortion is concerned we can be pro-choice about the kind of people we are.
And please, don’t start shrieking at me. I’m not talking about women here. If men would be men and accept responsibility there would not have to be abortion.
LASteve almost 15 years ago
Let’s go for the simple solution. All aborted embryos will immediately be frozen for implantation in (and subsequent raising by) “pro-life” volunteers. Within ten years, given sufficient hormonal preparation, men will be able to host the embryos as well. Problem solved!
LibrarianInTraining almost 15 years ago
Dypak, well said.
dawnsfire almost 15 years ago
Dypak, while your point is well-made, I think Creniere may have meant that if men carried the babies as well as/instead of women, things would be different in terms of things such as birth control, abortion, childbirth procedures, etc, etc.
rush09 almost 15 years ago
Thank you for speaking my mind. To Miniskunk, this cartoon is a commentary on a social statement, not a commercial for one point of view or another.
bigoidy almost 15 years ago
All this discussion is just blah, blah, blah until and unless you realize that Tim is speaking up for 40 million plus aborted individuals that were not given a chance to speak for themselves.
Dapperdan61 Premium Member almost 15 years ago
On the other side of another hot button topic is the refusal by CBS to not air the commercial for Man Crunch
miniskunk almost 15 years ago
Also consider this…the artist is using the image of a person who would be sworn to defend the christian faith including the sanctity of the life of an unborn. An apology is due to her for using her likeness in this way.
Spyderred almost 15 years ago
Great cartoon. And agree - I’ll be impressed with all this anti-abortion stuff only when I see those same groups providing funds for raising and educating all those kids.
LibrarianInTraining almost 15 years ago
Spyderred, we do. We’re huge adoption advocates, and a lot of foster moms are pro-life. We have crisis pregnancy centers where we counsel moms-to-be on adoption options, many have social work connections, and we take constant donations of cribs, canned goods, toys, and gently used baby clothes.
Kids outgrown those onsies? Got that crib taking space in the attic? What about the car seat they’re too big for? Donate them to your local crisis pregnancy center and give moms who chose life a chance to raise them right!
Support her right to a choice… the choice of life!
mrslukeskywalker almost 15 years ago
This is still America. Well, what’s left of it after a year of communist destruction, and Tebow still has a right to his opinion that he’d rather be alive than not, just like people have a right to their opinions in these comments. If you don’t like it, you still have the right to IGNORE IT.
This just adds to the proof that liberals aren’t REALLY pro CHOICE.
If we don’t like something we ignore it. If they don’t like something they want it outlawed, or they rant and rave that you have to SHUT UP, like the Obamunist does every day to the growing dissent.
I thought I was going to like this strip, but maybe not.
Technojunkie almost 15 years ago
I just watched the ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je0lYPUvTZc and thought, that’s it? That’s what the Left is hyperventilating about? Seriously?
wndrwrthg almost 15 years ago
mrslukeskywalker: Right, like prop 8 in Calif. Fundamentalists are always attempting to legislate their false mythology onto others.
jjff almost 15 years ago
When those dopey commercials come on just turn it to the puppy bowl and all political angst will fade away. Who can resist the cute puppies and kitties.
LibrarianInTraining almost 15 years ago
Susan, love Law and Order. I’d watch it, but I have to finish packing while hubby watches the game and downs a crud load of queso.
I guess I should be thankful. It’s the only sporting event he watches all year.
mrslukeskywalker almost 15 years ago
Wndrwrthg, that isn’t just the right voting 85% against that, now is it? You’re comparing apples to oranges.
I forgot to say above that I am pro choice. Does that put a different spin on how you digest what I said?
I’m watching Big Love and whatever I DVR’d for the past 2 weeks. I don’t do sports, or commercials.
vldazzle almost 15 years ago
I watched the superbowl once (in courtesy to my son visiting me last year), and he even explained things to me that made it tolerable. My problem with the commercials is NOT that one, but that our government chose to buy one (at that excessive cost) just to encourage people for the census in this economy. As a part-timer whose work depends on the construction industry (I do permit and construction drawings for architects who are not staffed, and email them to a printing service that delivers). Other than that one, thanks, Pab, I know the Tebow one has raised contoversy- just don’t know why more protest has not been made about the gov. waste…
wndrwrthg almost 15 years ago
mrlukeskywalker, not in the least. The fundies still want to legislate their bigotry on everyone who does not share it. Had they adopted a “live and let live” attitude, loving same sex couples could share in the same rights they claim.
Durak Premium Member almost 15 years ago
dawnsfire said, Dypak, while your point is well-made, I think Creniere may have meant that if men carried the babies as well as/instead of women, things would be different in terms of things such as birth control, abortion, childbirth procedures, etc, etc. ————————————- I’m pretty sure I caught Creniere’s point. It is pretty obvious. And it’s a pointless point since it’s unlikely to ever happen.
My point is that men do have a role and a purpose in reproduction and that if men fulfilled their responsibilities we would not need to be having this conversation. And if women (and men) quit choosing to have sex with people who act irresponsibly we would greatly reduce the need for abortions in the first place.
margueritem almost 15 years ago
Hi, Dypak, good to see you again. I totally agree with your scenario, and wish that it could be, but unfortunately, we’re dealing with human beings here and there’s no way to pass out maturity and a sense of responsibility…
Coyoty Premium Member almost 15 years ago
Hey, Susan’s refusing to take sides! Get her!
Handrew almost 15 years ago
This cartoon is an argument against its own existence.
Argon123 almost 15 years ago
LibrarianinTraining - The networks DID refuse to carry the ads from the United Church of Christ. The ones that said that everyone is welcome in church. Too radical a concept for broadcast tv.
Wildcard24365 almost 15 years ago
Watching the ads on the SB, no surprise the ads tended to appeal to (heterosexual) men between the ages of 17-35… from the Godaddy.com ads (boring, now, sorry) to this pervasive theme of some kind of phobia of being “emasculated:” men being “forced” to shop with their significant others (and missing the usual televised sports event) and a downright scary-looking advert of men vowing to do everything their spouses want them to (leading up to a muscle car being their “last stand”)…
NeoCon to the max.
Fortunately, the game itself was good, despite the persistent thought that in 30 or 40 years, a number of those young blokes are going to suffer dementia brought on by repeated blows to the head (ironically a by-product of the state-of-the-art helmets they’re using), that the NFL will likely not take responsibility for.
Phil (full phname Philip Philop) over 6 years ago
How come Edward became a teenager when he died?