Non Sequitur by Wiley Miller for December 27, 2014

Katie’s plan for world domination is better than Danae’s.

I tried an all Vegan diet. Kind of scrawny, and the complain while they’re simmering. PETA 2, People Eating Tasty Animals.

Cattle are vegans right? So if I eat cattle, then I am on a vegan diet…

I don’t care what your diner is servin, just tell me, where was it, that you saw them naked virgins?

No child labor laws to worry about, I guess…

Vegan = can’t hunt, lousy provider. Hopefully a non-dominant trait which will allow them to quietly die off. Besides, like BillWa says, scrawny, not much meat on their bones. I too belong to People Eating Tasty Animals.

Well played, Wiley, well played……

Trouble is vegans are so very sedentary. I mean all they do is vegetate.

Wiley’s getting preachy-preachy instead of funny-funny.

I get the two confused.Wasn’t Kate’s dad engaged to one of them?What happened?

Meat is not unhealthy and can certainly be part of a very healthy diet. As with everything we eat it is a matter of quantity.

(Warning: math related joke) I eat animals that eat plants. By the transitive property, my diet is entirely plant-derived, and so I too am a vegan.

OK Kate, now what?

I used to love my BBQ & steak, then I saw the documentary Forks Over Knives! Now with no effort I have lost 20 lbs, my husband lost 40 lbs, we are both off our BP and Cholesterol meds and we have loads of energy and sleep better. No cravings for the meat or dairy anymore. Love the new variety of starches, fruits, and veggies! It’s a new lifestyle and we are much happier. I never would have thought that changing the way I eat could have so much effect. Amazing!

“…raw, gluten-free and made entirely from organic, fair trade, seasonal, macrobiotic, heirloom ingredients hand-picked by naked virgins while dancing widdershins under the full moon during the summer solstice.”A little re-purposed Firesign Theater, no? ;)

T-Shirt and bumper sticker slogans I have seen:My ancestors spent thousands of years fighting and clawing their way to the top of the food chain, and I am not going to disrespect their efforts.PETA = People for the Eating of Tasty Animals.

If its not Meat, It’s a side dish!

My wife has Celiac Disease so no gluten for her. We appreciate any restaurant that has gluten free food.

More vegans? I don’t know any, and a decade ago I knew 2. 0 is not more than 2. Not sure how murdering plants is ‘healthy’.

This kid will go places.

p51strega said,“Meat is not unhealthy and can certainly be part of a very healthy diet. As with everything we eat it is a matter of quantity.”~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Meat cannot be ‘healthy’ anymore than it can be sick. A diet cannot be ‘healthy’ anymore than it can be sick.Meat is a ‘healthful’ addition to your diet,as are the vegetables. That makes your diet ‘healthful.’ Then you will be ‘healthy.’Got it?

However, you are absolutely right about the quantity — too much of a good thing can be a very bad thing.

Child labour laws have an exception for family business. You can have your kids (or grandkids) helping with your business from a very early age (unless it’s classified as a “hazardous occupation,” in which case they can’t start until they are 16.) You don’t even have to pay them! Ask any kid whose parents run a small business. :D

wrwallaceii: But dirt is full of all sorts of microorganisms.

goweeder, I think he meant the comedy group Firesign Theater..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Firesign_Theatre

@Wiley, keep up the healthy WFPB messages! Those who don’t yet ‘get it’ make me think back to the days when cigarettes were marketed (even by doctors!) and touted as harmless. Meat is the new tobacco. It will take time to for folks to recognize the peer-reviewed studies which prove how today’s chronic diseases can be cured by eliminating meat and dairy. Our environment, health care and overall future depends on the word getting out. Thank you for your part to make “whole foods, plant based” more visible to the SAD (Standard American Diet) and Vegan communities.

i’ve still got copy of my fallen apart original mid 60s promotion of “Thralawattle.. a new religion for the aware intellectual”. offered on bergman’s “radio free oz” program, a joyously subversive late night program on kpfk-fm. most evenings the signal just barely reached ucsd, an island of reason in hardcore conservative san diego county.

ahh, those were the days: http://www.radiofreeoz.com.

> Onward Thralawattlian Soldiers> Marching as to war.> With the electric chair of Thrala> Going on before.

I miss Brenda.

Check out a YouTube “Carrot juice is murder”.In any case, many vegans feel that factory farming of pigs, cattle and chicken is not just inhumane, but bad for the environment.

Brilliant!

I am not a vegan however, I have a few friends who converted to veganism for health reasons who are doing quite well on their chosen health plan.

And none of them preach about their veganism but they sure are happy to share good recipes.

Then there’s the friend who converted for political reasons. Even my health vegan friends finds him insufferable.

C’est la guerre.

I wonder if it is possible yet to live on an all pill and substitute diet. On a somewhat related note, I think we are headed to a state where real food will be a luxury. Where most people subsist on either an artificial nutrient slurry or soy with some level of flavor.

You do know that soy is food….?

Actually, dentition pretty much says what diet the critter is intended to consume, T. Rex – meat and carrion; Cats run toward the straight meat eater. Dogs are omnivores, more toward the meat end than humans who are also omnivores by our dention- even the Dalai Lama found he need to add SOME meat to his diet, but yes, too much red isn’t a good idea- so why do Eskimos and Alieut tend to live longer than vegetarian societies? (It’s complex, not just black and white.) Then of course when we get to the herbiores, there are the rumninants and the non- which means there’s varety there too!

If you want to get diet specific, look at avian beaks and diets, true specialists from meat eaters, to omnivores, to vegan. Hmm, even birds that don’t eat meat as adults, ARE fed “meat” as nestlings to improve growth and mineral complexities for bone growth, feathers, etc….

“the radical outliers of the vegetarian movement (the “Vegangelicals”) will most likely never be satisfied unless every menu item is entirely vegan,, raw, gluten-free and made entirely from organic, fair trade, seasonal, macrobiotic, heirloom ingredients hand-picked by naked virgins while dancing widdershins under the full moon during the summer solstice.”

Widdershins? WIDDERSHINS? Surely you mean deasil. Why, if they dance widdershins, it will draw out fools who will soil the house of our host and then all heck will ensue!

Don’t have time to read all the comments, so if I say something that is already said, sorry. First off, not a Vegetarian or Vegan, but know different eating styles. Before you get “all up and on” against both, do some research. Your pre-conceived notions need some research.

And way to go Kate! Well done!

Kaffekup: I am a dedicated omnivore, having seen my dentition. However, I believe factory farming is evil, harming the animals, the environment, the economy, and those who eat the meat. Fortunately, there is a farm just over a couple miles from my house providing grass-fed, no hormone nor antibiotic, beef, pork, goat, and mutton. I also grow some of my own veggies on a sustained basis.

“That being said, the radical outliers of the vegetarian movement (the “Vegangelicals”) will most likely never be satisfied unless every menu item is entirely vegan,, raw, gluten-free and made entirely from organic, fair trade, seasonal, macrobiotic, heirloom ingredients hand-picked by naked virgins while dancing widdershins under the full moon during the summer solstice..But nobody sane listens to them.”LOL!!!! Thank you!. that was wonderfully descriptive. ….. Now something those vegans should be concerned about – - – vegetables are people, too. They have feelings and thoughts. We omnivores understand this. It is why many of us, as children – would try very hard not to eat the smart veggies. ;)))

@WileyI have just read your response to @prfesser. Informative. Unfortunately – the vegans I have met have been of the extreme variety. And deserve to be avoided. They are very scary. But the vegetarians I know have been nice, informative, helpful, and not at all pushy. They are willing to share mealtime with we omnivores. Perhaps because we are all involved in tai chi. A nice blend of different people in the same classes. We omnivores always try to find places for lunch that our vegetarian friends will enjoy just as they will find some place suitable for omnivores.besides as an omnivore – vegetarian meals are fine. Just not all the time.:)