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Itās not awesome itās very sad. What part of Illegal donāt people get? Laws are being broken those who break them should not be rewarded.
Arizona shouldnāt have had to pass that law in the first place.
The federal government should have secured our borders 60 years ago when this problem started instead of listening to lobbyists for businesses that liked the cheap tax free labor.
Kudos to Arizona for having the balls to do what the Feds are too cowardly to attempt, defend their borders and territory.
Also what TheDOCTORthe1andOnly said is very true. Americans in Mexico get no help or leniency they donāt care what our diplomats say they throw the book at us (many times on false or trumped up charges) and send us to prison. Sending Mexicans that are here illegally back to Mexico is tame by comparison.
There are many things wrong with what Nabu says, but Iāll just comment on this: āWith almost half of the population of Mexico currently residing in the U.S. illegally, itās not a laughing matter. (6 million on average each year from 2000 to 2009.) ā
Mexico has a population of about 110 million. Itās not possible that 50-60 million have half-emptied Mexico by coming to the U.S. I suspect that Nabu has mistaken the 6 million average number as cumulative across 10 years, when in fact most of those people are being counted over and over each year. Six million in the U.S. I can believe, not 60.
@legaleagle48 i also live in arizona, and unlike you, i agree that if your illegal and break the law, then you should be deported. maybe you should actually read the bill before you comment on it. iāll wager you havenāt and have just been listening to what people tell you.
Listen, scrappy, I read a history book every now and then, so I donāt have to read the bill to know that randomly asking someone to āShow me your papers, pleaseā is what we fought a world war (and a cold war) to get rid of ā and for a very good reason!
And Iāve also read some of the paranoid, hate-mongering, white-supremacist propaganda that the proponents of this bill spewed prior to its lamentable passage. Again, read a history book or two; weāre just a few steps away from re-enacting Kristallnacht at this rate.
Nope. Until you sandblast Emma Lazarusās poem from off the base of the Statue of Liberty, Iām on her side:
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
āKeep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!ā cries she
With silent lips. āGive me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!ā
Remember, the Berlin Wall kept people IN more than it shut people OUT.
umā¦, Nabuquduriuzhur, before you get all incensed, please note, heās not making a comment on illegals at all, heās making the comment that Arizona is requiring papers on anyone who is not āwhiteā and obviously American. They are engaging in racial profiling, for whatever reason. The strip is not a comment on the presence of illegals but the radical reaction to them. Geez. and comics make those kinds of social commentary all the time. Itās their PLACE, ala the Court Jesters of old.
Justin, thank you for a laugh out loud funny timely political reference. I hope that the flame war in these comments doesnāt teach you the lesson that so many learn to just stick to āsafeā topics.
I do have my opinions about the political issue, but rather than pour more gasoline on the fire here, Iāll think about ranting in my own blog, and hope that Mythtickle continues to make me smile on a regular basis.
They estimate ca. 500,000 illegals currently in AZ, with a total population of about 6 - 6.5 million. If they carry out the law by randomly stopping every thirteenth person (or dragon), regardless of appearance, Iāll have less heartburn over it.
Meh, whatās the underworld without a little flame-war? I had a feeling this might garner some extra comments so I placed this harmless little missive on a Friday. Now weāve got the whole weekend to enjoy together. :)
I could have gone much further with this issue and clearly took a side but nah. The jokeās the thing. Any snarky looks or political attitude from the ladies in the strip would only have distracted from the joke and believe me, they wanted to. But I directed them to just be more worried about their dear dead dragon than anything else. Thatās what really matters to them.
So a special extra-sized stuffed critter for LadyThornewood and Burgundy2 who both correctly hit the nail right on the cabeza.
Heh, I liked it Justinā¦ Very topical and kinda funny. Like any over reaction that people come up with to solve a problem
And before I get flamed, I am one of those people who say ādeport the bastards and let Honest Americans work for less than minimum wage!ā Ok - we wouldnāt but then again, we wonāt know what deporting illegals would do to the economy until we try, now do we?
Nab, 68% of the crimes in Arizona are committed by whites; another 30% (app.) are by African Americans, and a tiny proportion by illegal immigrants AND other minorities. (Quoting my wife, who read someoneās report on her investigation into FBI files)
Now, what if youāre a legal American of Mexican descent, maybe from four generations back? No papers, and you look foreign. If you get stopped, youāre Effed.
If an illegal immigrant is caught committing a crime, yes, s/he should be dealt with according to the law. However, those illegals who are not breaking the laws of Arizona (and arenāt being hassled) are paying rent, buying food, and paying the various sales taxes on their purchases.
But thatās a problem for your lawmakers; me, I just love the cartoon. Thanks again, Justin!!
As we canāt keep them apart, letās just join the two countries together, the United States of America and the United States of Mexico.
http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/decentralization/English/CaseStudies/mexico.html
Weāll call it the United States.
Justin - I really like the description of the various underworlds (Annwn for me, thanks, unless I can get chosen for Asgard). I totally was not expecting that punchline, and it rocks (on many levels, no pun intended)!
Read the text of the law, It says law enforcement may not exceed āTITLE 8 UNITED STATES CODEā (Federal law concerning immigration). It also says the officer can only ask about status after āLEGAL CONTACTā and the person cannot produce valid ID (AZ ID, Tribal ID, any valid ID issued by any state, vaild ID/VISA issued by US Government).
It also states that a policeman canāt use race, color or national origin except as allowed under the AZ & US constitution.
Besides, if you are here illegally you arenāt going be there long enough to let the cops check your ID, youāre going to run which will do more to arrouse a cops interest in you than what it would be if you were hanging out with your homies.
So your comment about white sheets and swastika patches was out of line. The AZ policemen will be enforcing FEDERAL LAW within the borders of Arizona, which US authorities seem incapable or unwilling to enforce.
I have no problem with immigration. My wife is an immigrant, but she came here LEGALLY, paid the fees, waited her turn and played by the rules. These illegal immigrants and getting all these freebies is an insult to her and all who did it right.
Casey: Where are the freebies, please? I presume that an illegal immigrant would be unable to collect welfare or social security in any US state; they might be able to live the high life at a soup kitchen or food bank. Remember, too, that many illegals are working for well below the minimum wage (assuming Arizona has one).
In some cases, supremely unethical employers will have an illegal work for almost a month, then a few days before the promised first pay cheque, will tip off immigration officials and help get the person deported, thus saving said employer a monthās wages.
Perhaps all the illegals who get that treatment should band together for a class action suit.
Youāre almost certainly correct about social security, if only because nearly all illegal immigrant use fake Social Security numbers when applying for jobs. You might also be correct about welfare, although that tends to be an entitlement benefit. Welfare fraud, both for cash benefits and non-cash benefits such as food stamps, is a concern with illegal immigrants. The smugglers who bring them over may require them to apply fraudently, in order to pay the smugglersā fees.
However, the Supreme Court, in Plyer vs. Doe has ruled that, in most cases, states cannot prohibit the children of illegal immigrants for receiving a free public education, even if the children are also illegal immigrants. (This may have changed due to later rulings or changes in federal law. I confess, I havenāt kept up with the field.) Federal rules also require emergency rooms to admit and treat any one who comes to their door, regardless of ability to pay or immigration status.
Free education and free health care - those sound like a couple pretty good freebies to me.
Iāve heard stories of employers doing as you suggest - employing illegal aliens then turning over to the INS just before their payday. Frankly, I regard them as urban legends unless supported by references. First, my understanding is that illegal immigrants are usually still paying off their smugglers with their first few paychecks. The smugglers wouldnāt take kindly to being stiffed, and theyād probably blame the employer. Second, people talk to each other back home - āDonāt work at Jones & Sons Farms - they cheat youā. The word would get around pretty fast. Third, the people at INS arenāt stupid. āYou know, thatās the sixth set of illegal immigrants Jones Farms has tipped us off to this year. Maybe we should pay them a visit and take a close look at their books.ā
āāFree education and free health care - those sound like a couple pretty good freebies to me.āā
Yeah, imagine that. If everybody in the world had free health care and free education, then we probably wouldnāt worry so dang much about borders.
We should be taking care of each other.
Catalystvi almost 15 years ago
Whoa, topical! (way to rub it in)
Sisyphos almost 15 years ago
Oh, heāll be all rightāas long as he doesnāt do a no-no!
ksoskins almost 15 years ago
Actually, heāll be fine as long as heās not wearing his CInco de Mayo costume.
ladywolf17 almost 15 years ago
Heāll tough it outā¦ā¦ā¦.I hope!
Rakkav almost 15 years ago
Just what profile is Boody going to fall under in Arizona? With his luck theyāll think heās just an oversized albino Gila monster.
Charles Brobst Premium Member almost 15 years ago
Arizona: now thatās hell!
mrsullenbeauty almost 15 years ago
This was hilarious. Well done, JT.
tom2688 almost 15 years ago
i donāt think arizona would undertand the message!!! tom.
reverence almost 15 years ago
Nabu-With all due respect - please remember that this is a comic and
LIGHTEN UP !!!!!!!!
TheDOCTOR almost 15 years ago
Deep Breaths ,Nab. Just repeat āIts only a comic stripā. Now have a Jellybaby and youāll be O.K. (whispering) Its alright.
TheDOCTOR almost 15 years ago
Actually, If you ābreathe wrongā in Mexico you go to jail faster than you can blink.
screamingdolai almost 15 years ago
Allons-y, TheDOCTOR1andOnly. :)
Awesome joke, Justin. But then, I have a sense of humor.
my_discworld almost 15 years ago
lol Love this. Awesome. And Nabu ā¦ get a life.
Willows Dream almost 15 years ago
Itās not awesome itās very sad. What part of Illegal donāt people get? Laws are being broken those who break them should not be rewarded. Arizona shouldnāt have had to pass that law in the first place. The federal government should have secured our borders 60 years ago when this problem started instead of listening to lobbyists for businesses that liked the cheap tax free labor. Kudos to Arizona for having the balls to do what the Feds are too cowardly to attempt, defend their borders and territory. Also what TheDOCTORthe1andOnly said is very true. Americans in Mexico get no help or leniency they donāt care what our diplomats say they throw the book at us (many times on false or trumped up charges) and send us to prison. Sending Mexicans that are here illegally back to Mexico is tame by comparison.
pschearer Premium Member almost 15 years ago
There are many things wrong with what Nabu says, but Iāll just comment on this: āWith almost half of the population of Mexico currently residing in the U.S. illegally, itās not a laughing matter. (6 million on average each year from 2000 to 2009.) ā
Mexico has a population of about 110 million. Itās not possible that 50-60 million have half-emptied Mexico by coming to the U.S. I suspect that Nabu has mistaken the 6 million average number as cumulative across 10 years, when in fact most of those people are being counted over and over each year. Six million in the U.S. I can believe, not 60.
scrappy05 almost 15 years ago
@legaleagle48 i also live in arizona, and unlike you, i agree that if your illegal and break the law, then you should be deported. maybe you should actually read the bill before you comment on it. iāll wager you havenāt and have just been listening to what people tell you.
legaleagle48 almost 15 years ago
Listen, scrappy, I read a history book every now and then, so I donāt have to read the bill to know that randomly asking someone to āShow me your papers, pleaseā is what we fought a world war (and a cold war) to get rid of ā and for a very good reason!
And Iāve also read some of the paranoid, hate-mongering, white-supremacist propaganda that the proponents of this bill spewed prior to its lamentable passage. Again, read a history book or two; weāre just a few steps away from re-enacting Kristallnacht at this rate.
Nope. Until you sandblast Emma Lazarusās poem from off the base of the Statue of Liberty, Iām on her side:
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. āKeep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!ā cries she With silent lips. āGive me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!ā
Remember, the Berlin Wall kept people IN more than it shut people OUT.
LadyThornewood almost 15 years ago
umā¦, Nabuquduriuzhur, before you get all incensed, please note, heās not making a comment on illegals at all, heās making the comment that Arizona is requiring papers on anyone who is not āwhiteā and obviously American. They are engaging in racial profiling, for whatever reason. The strip is not a comment on the presence of illegals but the radical reaction to them. Geez. and comics make those kinds of social commentary all the time. Itās their PLACE, ala the Court Jesters of old.
mntim almost 15 years ago
Theft is illegal because you take someoneās property.
Murder is illegal because you take someoneās life.
Illegal immigration is illegal because you ā take up space, I guess.
I find it hard to get upset about it. Most of the problems with illegal immigration can be solved by making it legal.
tigertoy almost 15 years ago
Justin, thank you for a laugh out loud funny timely political reference. I hope that the flame war in these comments doesnāt teach you the lesson that so many learn to just stick to āsafeā topics.
I do have my opinions about the political issue, but rather than pour more gasoline on the fire here, Iāll think about ranting in my own blog, and hope that Mythtickle continues to make me smile on a regular basis.
ottod Premium Member almost 15 years ago
They estimate ca. 500,000 illegals currently in AZ, with a total population of about 6 - 6.5 million. If they carry out the law by randomly stopping every thirteenth person (or dragon), regardless of appearance, Iāll have less heartburn over it.
Ziggae almost 15 years ago
Wasnāt expecting that! Nice!
Justjoust Premium Member almost 15 years ago
Meh, whatās the underworld without a little flame-war? I had a feeling this might garner some extra comments so I placed this harmless little missive on a Friday. Now weāve got the whole weekend to enjoy together. :) I could have gone much further with this issue and clearly took a side but nah. The jokeās the thing. Any snarky looks or political attitude from the ladies in the strip would only have distracted from the joke and believe me, they wanted to. But I directed them to just be more worried about their dear dead dragon than anything else. Thatās what really matters to them. So a special extra-sized stuffed critter for LadyThornewood and Burgundy2 who both correctly hit the nail right on the cabeza.
Thanks to everyone.
Pifflepuss almost 15 years ago
Heh, I liked it Justinā¦ Very topical and kinda funny. Like any over reaction that people come up with to solve a problem
And before I get flamed, I am one of those people who say ādeport the bastards and let Honest Americans work for less than minimum wage!ā Ok - we wouldnāt but then again, we wonāt know what deporting illegals would do to the economy until we try, now do we?
gosfreikempe almost 15 years ago
Wonderful, Justin!
Nab, 68% of the crimes in Arizona are committed by whites; another 30% (app.) are by African Americans, and a tiny proportion by illegal immigrants AND other minorities. (Quoting my wife, who read someoneās report on her investigation into FBI files)
Now, what if youāre a legal American of Mexican descent, maybe from four generations back? No papers, and you look foreign. If you get stopped, youāre Effed.
If an illegal immigrant is caught committing a crime, yes, s/he should be dealt with according to the law. However, those illegals who are not breaking the laws of Arizona (and arenāt being hassled) are paying rent, buying food, and paying the various sales taxes on their purchases.
But thatās a problem for your lawmakers; me, I just love the cartoon. Thanks again, Justin!!
gulfcoastgrl almost 15 years ago
Great strip, Justin! Wonderfully unexpected.
prrdh almost 15 years ago
Unius linguae uniusque moris regnum imbecille et fragile est.
St. Stephen of Hungarypuddleglum1066 almost 15 years ago
All things considered, Iāll go with Avalon, where the only papers you have to produce are a few bucks to pay for that tasty pint.
Charles Brobst Premium Member almost 15 years ago
As we canāt keep them apart, letās just join the two countries together, the United States of America and the United States of Mexico. http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/decentralization/English/CaseStudies/mexico.html Weāll call it the United States.
celeconecca almost 15 years ago
LOL! I enjoy this strip so much.
JustAnotherMichael almost 15 years ago
Justin - I really like the description of the various underworlds (Annwn for me, thanks, unless I can get chosen for Asgard). I totally was not expecting that punchline, and it rocks (on many levels, no pun intended)!
(Well, pun intended maybe a littleā¦)
CaseyOrourke almost 15 years ago
Legal Eagle,
Read the text of the law, It says law enforcement may not exceed āTITLE 8 UNITED STATES CODEā (Federal law concerning immigration). It also says the officer can only ask about status after āLEGAL CONTACTā and the person cannot produce valid ID (AZ ID, Tribal ID, any valid ID issued by any state, vaild ID/VISA issued by US Government). It also states that a policeman canāt use race, color or national origin except as allowed under the AZ & US constitution.
Besides, if you are here illegally you arenāt going be there long enough to let the cops check your ID, youāre going to run which will do more to arrouse a cops interest in you than what it would be if you were hanging out with your homies.
So your comment about white sheets and swastika patches was out of line. The AZ policemen will be enforcing FEDERAL LAW within the borders of Arizona, which US authorities seem incapable or unwilling to enforce.
I have no problem with immigration. My wife is an immigrant, but she came here LEGALLY, paid the fees, waited her turn and played by the rules. These illegal immigrants and getting all these freebies is an insult to her and all who did it right.
gosfreikempe almost 15 years ago
Casey: Where are the freebies, please? I presume that an illegal immigrant would be unable to collect welfare or social security in any US state; they might be able to live the high life at a soup kitchen or food bank. Remember, too, that many illegals are working for well below the minimum wage (assuming Arizona has one).
In some cases, supremely unethical employers will have an illegal work for almost a month, then a few days before the promised first pay cheque, will tip off immigration officials and help get the person deported, thus saving said employer a monthās wages.
Perhaps all the illegals who get that treatment should band together for a class action suit.
runar almost 15 years ago
If Boody doesnāt have papers, then heāll never be able to take Best In Show at the Westminster Dragon Show.
CoBass almost 15 years ago
@Saskfan Re: Freebies
Youāre almost certainly correct about social security, if only because nearly all illegal immigrant use fake Social Security numbers when applying for jobs. You might also be correct about welfare, although that tends to be an entitlement benefit. Welfare fraud, both for cash benefits and non-cash benefits such as food stamps, is a concern with illegal immigrants. The smugglers who bring them over may require them to apply fraudently, in order to pay the smugglersā fees.
However, the Supreme Court, in Plyer vs. Doe has ruled that, in most cases, states cannot prohibit the children of illegal immigrants for receiving a free public education, even if the children are also illegal immigrants. (This may have changed due to later rulings or changes in federal law. I confess, I havenāt kept up with the field.) Federal rules also require emergency rooms to admit and treat any one who comes to their door, regardless of ability to pay or immigration status.
Free education and free health care - those sound like a couple pretty good freebies to me.
Iāve heard stories of employers doing as you suggest - employing illegal aliens then turning over to the INS just before their payday. Frankly, I regard them as urban legends unless supported by references. First, my understanding is that illegal immigrants are usually still paying off their smugglers with their first few paychecks. The smugglers wouldnāt take kindly to being stiffed, and theyād probably blame the employer. Second, people talk to each other back home - āDonāt work at Jones & Sons Farms - they cheat youā. The word would get around pretty fast. Third, the people at INS arenāt stupid. āYou know, thatās the sixth set of illegal immigrants Jones Farms has tipped us off to this year. Maybe we should pay them a visit and take a close look at their books.ā
Justjoust Premium Member almost 15 years ago
āāFree education and free health care - those sound like a couple pretty good freebies to me.āā
Yeah, imagine that. If everybody in the world had free health care and free education, then we probably wouldnāt worry so dang much about borders. We should be taking care of each other.
kelleymck almost 15 years ago
I love you!