and some simpletons expect to try and undo histiry.the best such idiots have ever been able to do is rewrite using lies, then insist on repeating the biggest failures, convincing themselves that “we are the ones we’ve been waiting for”, and believing that if they do everything the same, it will work this time because “we’re not Greece”. such utter buffoonery
Yes, Night-Gaunt, the rich are certainly responsible for your not being rich. Took it all from you, right? Anyway, that’s how Karl Marx explained it.
And the Europeans upset the idyllic, idealistic, nature-loving lives of the noble red-man, right? More like lives of stone-age poverty, warfare, and superstition.
Of course, go back a few thousand years and that was life for all humans. All our ancestors were barbarians, but that doesn’t mean we should honor barbarianism and deny the benefits of civilization. (Remember the Monty Python bit in “Life of Brian” about what have the Romans ever done for us?)
^Actually, the rich DO take it from the middle class in a variety of ways. Remember that it is essentially the very rich who control who’s in power, and it is they who make the rules. If you make the rules to benefit yourself while harming others, then yes, they are taking it.
Something had to happen to alter the balance of the economy, and it was not the fact that the rich suddenly became more productive. They started becoming disproportionately richer roughly at the same time industry in the this country started to fail.
CD: So did you learn that Leftist myth in college, church, or at your mother’s knee?
The Leftist (and especially Marxist) idea that someone gets rich only by making someone else poorer is a moldy old remnant of European feudalism, from an era when it was true. The Industrial Revolution changed that for all countries it touched (some of them, like China and India, only recently).
As for the plight of today’s economy, the only reason our standard of living hasn’t sunk even lower than it might have is thanks to computer technology, working women, Walmart, and the Chinese. The details are for another time, but the bottom line is that we are suffering from a century of accelerating government interferences in what was once a much freer and therefore more productive economy. Of course, that’s not what your professor, minister, or mother told you.
There have been some good shows on the History International Channel lately.
One show said that in Europe during the fuedal times, poor people could go into a field and eat or “glean” and not pay. But they could not take a basket and remove any crops.
The show compared the way the Native Americans lived and the European ways.
autumnfire1957 about 14 years ago
What I’ve been saying
3hourtour Premium Member about 14 years ago
..how rude!might as well say,send the Indian’s back to Jerusalem..
Trebor39 about 14 years ago
Did those pilgrims mean they wanted England back?
ponytail56 about 14 years ago
and some simpletons expect to try and undo histiry.the best such idiots have ever been able to do is rewrite using lies, then insist on repeating the biggest failures, convincing themselves that “we are the ones we’ve been waiting for”, and believing that if they do everything the same, it will work this time because “we’re not Greece”. such utter buffoonery
ChukLitl Premium Member about 14 years ago
I want my country back. The one where union workers made enough at their secure jobs to buy American made products.
pschearer Premium Member about 14 years ago
Yes, Night-Gaunt, the rich are certainly responsible for your not being rich. Took it all from you, right? Anyway, that’s how Karl Marx explained it.
And the Europeans upset the idyllic, idealistic, nature-loving lives of the noble red-man, right? More like lives of stone-age poverty, warfare, and superstition.
Of course, go back a few thousand years and that was life for all humans. All our ancestors were barbarians, but that doesn’t mean we should honor barbarianism and deny the benefits of civilization. (Remember the Monty Python bit in “Life of Brian” about what have the Romans ever done for us?)
cdward about 14 years ago
^Actually, the rich DO take it from the middle class in a variety of ways. Remember that it is essentially the very rich who control who’s in power, and it is they who make the rules. If you make the rules to benefit yourself while harming others, then yes, they are taking it.
Something had to happen to alter the balance of the economy, and it was not the fact that the rich suddenly became more productive. They started becoming disproportionately richer roughly at the same time industry in the this country started to fail.
pschearer Premium Member about 14 years ago
CD: So did you learn that Leftist myth in college, church, or at your mother’s knee?
The Leftist (and especially Marxist) idea that someone gets rich only by making someone else poorer is a moldy old remnant of European feudalism, from an era when it was true. The Industrial Revolution changed that for all countries it touched (some of them, like China and India, only recently).
As for the plight of today’s economy, the only reason our standard of living hasn’t sunk even lower than it might have is thanks to computer technology, working women, Walmart, and the Chinese. The details are for another time, but the bottom line is that we are suffering from a century of accelerating government interferences in what was once a much freer and therefore more productive economy. Of course, that’s not what your professor, minister, or mother told you.
rockngolfer about 14 years ago
There have been some good shows on the History International Channel lately. One show said that in Europe during the fuedal times, poor people could go into a field and eat or “glean” and not pay. But they could not take a basket and remove any crops. The show compared the way the Native Americans lived and the European ways.
gozar about 14 years ago
The “Native” Americans came from somewhere else too. Should they also be sent packing - back across the Bering Straights?
Dirty Dragon about 14 years ago
“Sarah Palin’s Plymouth Rock”