Although the First Amendment might seem at first glance simple and obvious, the idea of free speech took a while to work out. Witness the jailing of newspapermen during the Adams administration. John Stuart Mill took giant steps defining the concept but we are still and will ever be working out the necessary limits and practical parameters.
Too many people misunderstand, some intentionally, that in the US free speech means that the government cannot prosecute you for your speech (except in certain types of speech).
Free speech does not mean that you cannot be held accountable for your speech by the other people or private businesses. Ex. you can express your hate for the president without fear of prosecution. However, if you express your hate for the CEO of the private business you work for, it does not mean that they cannot fire you. Neither does it mean that you can post anything you want in on-line forums such as twitter or Fb. You agree to certain terms of service for use of their platform, and if you violate them your account can be terminated.
Other countries laws may or may not have the same limitations & restrictions.
“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt” – dubiously attributed to Abraham Lincoln, Mark Twain, John Maynard Keynes, and others.
I don’t disagree. The problem is not what people are saying. The problem is we have too many of them. Not being funny; our planet is over-populated on all 6 continents (No, not counting Antarctica). We need to thin our numbers a bit.
So that’s why we have to hear the cretins-greene and bobert-so often. They are a constant reminder of how ignorant they are and also that they do not stand for democratic values.
Sadly, too many stupid people today insist upon demonstrating their stupidity – loudly and often – in public… whether the rest of us want to know or not…
ibFrank over 1 year ago
Look at the people they vote for.
Cornelius Noodleman over 1 year ago
When I use free speech, I get my mouth washed out with soap.
Georgette Washington Bunny over 1 year ago
No one is a free speech absolutist. That’s just the latest fad for posers.
A# 466 over 1 year ago
“Tell the people the truth, and the country will be saved.” (Lincoln, approximately — I don’t recall the exact quote)
mourdac Premium Member over 1 year ago
Unfortunately, the stupid became the new pandemic with the election of Raygun Ronnie in 1980.
The Nodding Head over 1 year ago
Although the First Amendment might seem at first glance simple and obvious, the idea of free speech took a while to work out. Witness the jailing of newspapermen during the Adams administration. John Stuart Mill took giant steps defining the concept but we are still and will ever be working out the necessary limits and practical parameters.
Darsan54 Premium Member over 1 year ago
Free speech absolutists also seem to think it should be consequence free too. So that lying, hateful, endangering speech is “okay” in their book.
Nope. Though in this case, I would say Carmen’s not wrong.
DW Premium Member over 1 year ago
Too many people misunderstand, some intentionally, that in the US free speech means that the government cannot prosecute you for your speech (except in certain types of speech).
Free speech does not mean that you cannot be held accountable for your speech by the other people or private businesses. Ex. you can express your hate for the president without fear of prosecution. However, if you express your hate for the CEO of the private business you work for, it does not mean that they cannot fire you. Neither does it mean that you can post anything you want in on-line forums such as twitter or Fb. You agree to certain terms of service for use of their platform, and if you violate them your account can be terminated.
Other countries laws may or may not have the same limitations & restrictions.
BRBurns1960 over 1 year ago
Fire in a crowded theater? Child porn? Slander? Libel?
Bookworm over 1 year ago
“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt” – dubiously attributed to Abraham Lincoln, Mark Twain, John Maynard Keynes, and others.
Wlly Blly over 1 year ago
So, what happens after they demonstrate their stupidity?
TwilightFaze over 1 year ago
I don’t disagree. The problem is not what people are saying. The problem is we have too many of them. Not being funny; our planet is over-populated on all 6 continents (No, not counting Antarctica). We need to thin our numbers a bit.
rossevrymn over 1 year ago
Just look to your right, then separate truer conservatives from the right-wing populists and voila.
Gary Williams Premium Member over 1 year ago
MTG and her ilk prove the last panel everyday.
William A Short Premium Member over 1 year ago
So that’s why we have to hear the cretins-greene and bobert-so often. They are a constant reminder of how ignorant they are and also that they do not stand for democratic values.
braindead Premium Member over 1 year ago
“I truly believe I would have rushed in there, even without a weapon.”
ferddo over 1 year ago
Sadly, too many stupid people today insist upon demonstrating their stupidity – loudly and often – in public… whether the rest of us want to know or not…
Night-Gaunt49[Bozo is Boffo] over 1 year ago
Not stupid people DANGEROUS ONES Carmin.
eric_harris_76 over 1 year ago
For examples, you need only look at how people post in social media. This includes how they avoid answering reasonable questions.
1. Emotional responses to factual questions rather than, you know, answers.
2. Personal attacks on the person who asked factual questions.
3. Subject changes — “whataboutism”, personal criticisms of people or institutions, completely new topic, etc. — instead of addressing the issue.
4. Silence in response to factual questions.
5. Use of other logical fallacies — strawman arguments, etc. — instead of rational arguments.
I’m reeeealy looking forward to seeing the replies to this.
I expect a mix of rational responses and examples of the above, skewed towards examples.
But I’m hoping for rational responses, including perhaps some descriptions of additional categories.