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jrbj, apropos to a little debate you had yesterday:
The problem is that humanity has always tried to spread a little peace and joy around, and it has never worked.
One of the four human temperaments is talented at diplomacy (as the others are talented at strategy, tactics and logistics), and I suspect you and I share the same diplomatic temperament (as does Calvin, in fact). The hard truth we keep running into was well stated by Mr. Spock in orbit around Gideon (on ST:TOS): ââŠthe purpose of diplomacy is to prolong a crisis.â
In other words, just âbeing niceâ wonât change human nature. You say if we all thought like the redskins fan, weâd have annihilated each other by now. The last time I looked, itâs still five minutes to midnight on the clock of the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists.
Nobody summarized the problem better than Gen. Douglas MacArthur on the U.S.S. Missouri. It was a frank admission that as they are, human beings canât rule themselves.
Knowing (we) that Hobbes is really a stuffed tiger, but real in Calvinâs mind, why does Calvin do this to himself? Uh oh, Iâm beginning to think that Calvin is realâŠâŠ
Johanan Rakkav said (crediting Gen. MacArthur),
ââŠas they are, human beings canât rule themselves.â
âThe problem basically is theologicalâŠIt must be of the spirit if we are to save the flesh.â
âIt is the spirit that quickens (gives life); the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.â - John 6:63
Destiny23
What would be the fun in that? It would be similar to Broomie being able to use her zapper all the time to get out of the predicaments she gets into. It wouldnât be funny.
Johanan Rakkav: What you say may well be true and I may be banging my head on the wall for nothing. Still, Iâd rather go down trying than simply stop and let the world win. Without getting âreligiousâ about it, I think that what Jesus told us was truly the only way for humans to survive. But in response to what Jesus told humankind, they tortured him and then murdered him in the most cruel fashion. On the other hand, whether you take if from a religious point of view or simply a biological point of view, we all originated from the same specie singularity and that makes us all brothers/sisters and one with each other. Is it really impossibly hard for us to comprehend that and treat each other with peace, love and compassion? If so, we do not merit existence on the earth and the earth would be better off without us. I just think we are better than that and hope Iâm not all so terribly wrong.
I have to ponder⊠What if what we donât know is that Calvin is about to lay into his mother about one thing or another and what we do see is that little voice we all have and Calvinâs voice being Hobbes⊠Which then begs to questions: If we all had a hobbes maybe we would listen to that little voice more often!
jrbj said,
âBut in response to what Jesus told humankind, they tortured him and then murdered him in the most cruel fashion.â
âHim, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, you have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
Whom God has raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.â Acts 2:23,24
âTherefore does my father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
No man takes it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it againâŠâ
John 10:17,18a
âBut if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwells in you.â Romans 8:11
âFor God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.â John 3:16
âAnd it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.â Acts 2:21
I absolutely love the expressions for Hobbes here. In the second one he is so doe-eyed wiggling his cute little spirit fingers, and then they brow drops and the claws pop out in a âtry-it and dieâ expression.
âWe must respect the other fellowâs religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart.â
â H. L. Mencken
Apparently you resemble that remark, and so does the âbird of a featherâ a couple posts before you.
I just responded to a comment that had facts, but misconstrued what they meant, in my opinion. My remarks seem to strike a sensitive negative chord in a few people because they donât want to believe what they are afraid might really be true.
Puddleglum2âs point, I think, is that nobody took His life- He gave it. It was Godâs plan all along. ââŠthe Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.â -Rev. 13:8
I think Puddleglum2âs point is that everyone who doesnât believe the way he does is simply afraid of the possibility that it might be true. If this were the case people would believe simply because of that fear. The evil underbelly of Puddleglum2âs religion (and the solid base that that specific religion is founded upon) is the fear of the possibility of eternal damnation, which doesnât really sound like âagapeâ love to me. Puddleglum2 wants people to live the way his religion says they should live which is completely counterintuitive to the concept of free will.
Also you can throw as many bible verses at a rational conversation as you want, they still hold no bearing on the conversation and add absolutely nothing to the discussion. Preaching a sermon on Jesusâ love for mankind has nothing to do with the âplight of manâ as it were, so keep it in church man.
@dpgb_lee,
Your rationalizations are faulty from my perspective.
Some people do believe out of fear, âAnd others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.â Jude 23
But others do not believe out of fear. âAnd in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in tormentsâŠâ Luke 16:23a
This rich man who had died asked for a drop of water to cool his tongue, but he would not repent of his sins to receive mercy for eternal life.
If there were not free will, God would force everyone to be saved. They are allowed to choose their own destiny.
I think Bible verses hold every bearing on the conversation since they are Godâs word.
Jesusâ love for mankind has everything to do with âthe plight of manâ since his love prompted him to pay the penalty for those sins on the cross of calvary.
âAgapeâ love is most effective for the believer (Christian). The nonbeliever refuses to accept Godâs love.
If there were no eternal consequences for unrepented sin, all mankind would go to heaven (universal salvation) and heaven would be like earth. The âplight of manâ would remain forever.
âI think Puddleglum2âs point is that everyone who doesnât believe the way he does is simply afraid of the possibility that it might be true. If this were the case people would believe simply because of that fear. The evil underbelly of Puddleglum2âs religion (and the solid base that that specific religion is founded upon) is the fear of the possibility of eternal damnation, which doesnât really sound like âagapeâ love to me. Puddleglum2 wants people to live the way his religion says they should live which is completely counterintuitive to the concept of free will.â
Not soâwe make ourselves worthy of damnation by choosing wrong things. Agape love is the possibility, as a free gift, of receiving something better. I donât believe out of fear, but in hope, a hope that I have found reliable in living well here on earth as well asâI hopeâin the future.
If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, whether he rage or laugh, there is no rest. -Prov. 29:9
âŠGod shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. -2Thess. 2:11
Some people do not want Truth. However, I will continue to cast pearls even if there are a few swine about. Iâll just TRY to not engage them in debate.
One of these days that tiger is going to leave Calvin hanging in a tree by the seat of his pants. Heâs a meaner kid than I ever was when I was a kid.. But I didnât have a pet tiger either. I had all kinds of wild animals as pets from being raised on a farm. My favorite one was a pet fawn. Or one of the two ground hogs that I raised.
Aardvark359 is of the same ilk as the âverboseâ one.
Heâs as phony as a three-dollar bill in claiming that he defends my right to be a complete anything. If it always results in insults, he must be a glutton for punishment.
His quote from H. L. Mencken was just another foolish attempt to ridicule a well-reasoned and carefully thought out apologetic.
The term blow-hard applies directly to himself as âan ill wind that blows no goodâ.
At best, Mark Twainâs comment refers to blind faith. Believing what one knows not to be true is utterly nonsensical and serves no useful purpose, whatsoever.
âFaith is the substance (confidence) of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.â
Hebrews 11:1
âThe fool has said in his heart, there is no God.â
Psalms 14:1 and 53:1
Note that God says two times the same thing. If God speaks once, people should listen; if He speaks twice, people had better listen.
Hooray! More insults from one of the âchosenâ! Godâs love clearly has made you a kinder, gentler person!
What Puddleglum2 doesnât get is that while I disagree with everything she says, the manner in which she says it and the shear volume of the saying, I still defend her right to say it. Itâs doesnât even matter that she doesnât appreciate it. This is America. I am an American. She can cutânâpaste her religion and spew insults at anyone who doesnât buy into every word she says. Iâll continue to defend her right to do so long after everyone else has skipped, deleted and prayed that she would just shut up.
Itâs a beautiful day in America!
âI contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.â
â Stephen Roberts
margueritem about 15 years ago
Sharp claws, little manâŠ
rentier about 15 years ago
The claws look dangerously, run Calvin, run!
sjoujke about 15 years ago
Nothing like a mitt full of sharp claws to put ones mood in the right perspective.
Pacejv about 15 years ago
The ending could be a nail biter.
pouncingtiger about 15 years ago
Never tick off a tiger, Calvin.
johnnydoc5 about 15 years ago
Maybe. Some dogs arenât overly bright.
bluskies about 15 years ago
Sometimes potential consequences put choices in better perspective.
Rakkav about 15 years ago
Grumpy and Grumpier.
(Wonderful comments all!)
Rakkav about 15 years ago
jrbj, apropos to a little debate you had yesterday:
The problem is that humanity has always tried to spread a little peace and joy around, and it has never worked.
One of the four human temperaments is talented at diplomacy (as the others are talented at strategy, tactics and logistics), and I suspect you and I share the same diplomatic temperament (as does Calvin, in fact). The hard truth we keep running into was well stated by Mr. Spock in orbit around Gideon (on ST:TOS): ââŠthe purpose of diplomacy is to prolong a crisis.â
In other words, just âbeing niceâ wonât change human nature. You say if we all thought like the redskins fan, weâd have annihilated each other by now. The last time I looked, itâs still five minutes to midnight on the clock of the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists.
Nobody summarized the problem better than Gen. Douglas MacArthur on the U.S.S. Missouri. It was a frank admission that as they are, human beings canât rule themselves.
Rakkav about 15 years ago
âThe problem basically is theologicalâŠIt must be of the spirit if we are to save the flesh.â
We now return you to our regularly scheduled comics.
kreole about 15 years ago
Knowing (we) that Hobbes is really a stuffed tiger, but real in Calvinâs mind, why does Calvin do this to himself? Uh oh, Iâm beginning to think that Calvin is realâŠâŠ
ArrrgggghhhhâŠâŠ.!
Praxsis about 15 years ago
You may be the little, big man, but my brother like they ainât no other, you just got trumped by the TOP CAT. GROWL!!
Downeasta about 15 years ago
RAWRR!!!!
vibjyor about 15 years ago
Calvin is not the only one in bad mood.
Puddleglum2 about 15 years ago
Johanan Rakkav said (crediting Gen. MacArthur), ââŠas they are, human beings canât rule themselves.â
âThe problem basically is theologicalâŠIt must be of the spirit if we are to save the flesh.â âIt is the spirit that quickens (gives life); the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.â - John 6:63
Troglodyte about 15 years ago
From the looks of it, Hobbesâ was an instinctive reaction, but then, so was Calvinâs, I guess!
pearlandpeach about 15 years ago
itâs the pointy on 5 ends syndrome.
senseilance about 15 years ago
you get what you give ⊠now, if heâd asked nicely âŠ
Puddleglum2 about 15 years ago
Let sleeping tigers lie, Calvin! âLet sleeping dogs lieâ, too, even if it is a pet!
DolphinGirl78 about 15 years ago
He had it comingâŠ
jbmetalmonster about 15 years ago
calvin is too proud youâd think heâd have known hobbes for long enough now to know that hobbes is a sarcastic tiger who doesnât tolarate b.s.
krisch about 15 years ago
quote CLAWS!!! unquote
Smartone2000 about 15 years ago
I would really enjoy being Hobbes. He always has the advantage against Calvin.
Destiny23 about 15 years ago
Iâm surprised Calvin hasnât had Hobbes declawed before now!
(There are doll hospitals, there should be stuffed animal veterinary clinicsâŠ)
GROG Premium Member about 15 years ago
Destiny23 What would be the fun in that? It would be similar to Broomie being able to use her zapper all the time to get out of the predicaments she gets into. It wouldnât be funny.
alondra about 15 years ago
Heâs just telling you heâs had a worse day than you Calvin so stay out of his way!
wicky about 15 years ago
Just a little attitude adjustment.
runninanreadin about 15 years ago
THATâS not the scary partâŠthe REAL scary part is you have to multiply those claws by FOUR! True, indeedâŠRUN, CALVIN, RUUNNN!
COWBOY7 about 15 years ago
In this âpoker gameâ a claw hand beats a bad mood any day!
linsonl about 15 years ago
runninanreadin: House cats donât have big toes, do tigers? Multliply by 3.6?
stewdeo3bs about 15 years ago
no matter how bad you think you are, Thereâs allways someone bigger and badder. Calvin adjust your attitude or have it adjusted for you.
jrbj about 15 years ago
Johanan Rakkav: What you say may well be true and I may be banging my head on the wall for nothing. Still, Iâd rather go down trying than simply stop and let the world win. Without getting âreligiousâ about it, I think that what Jesus told us was truly the only way for humans to survive. But in response to what Jesus told humankind, they tortured him and then murdered him in the most cruel fashion. On the other hand, whether you take if from a religious point of view or simply a biological point of view, we all originated from the same specie singularity and that makes us all brothers/sisters and one with each other. Is it really impossibly hard for us to comprehend that and treat each other with peace, love and compassion? If so, we do not merit existence on the earth and the earth would be better off without us. I just think we are better than that and hope Iâm not all so terribly wrong.
Trainwreck_1 about 15 years ago
I have to ponder⊠What if what we donât know is that Calvin is about to lay into his mother about one thing or another and what we do see is that little voice we all have and Calvinâs voice being Hobbes⊠Which then begs to questions: If we all had a hobbes maybe we would listen to that little voice more often!
Stede_Bonnet about 15 years ago
The simplest of all right-of-way rules: âThe law of gross tonnage applies.â
An â800 lb gorrillaâ is the lubber equivalent. (Clawed tigers being acceptable substitutes.)
bleepingdeadalien about 15 years ago
Hobbes can be so subtle.
Miss.Fit about 15 years ago
bluskies said: Sometimes potential consequences put choices in better perspective.
well said⊠!!!!
bmonk about 15 years ago
If those four reasons werenât enough, he had a dozen more points he could bring outâŠ
Dino-1 about 15 years ago
As Clint Eastwood would say, âMake my day!â
COWBOY7 about 15 years ago
âDo you feel lucky? Well do you, punkâ would also fit nicely, Dino-1.
Puddleglum2 about 15 years ago
jrbj said, âBut in response to what Jesus told humankind, they tortured him and then murdered him in the most cruel fashion.â âHim, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, you have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Whom God has raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.â Acts 2:23,24 âTherefore does my father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man takes it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it againâŠâ John 10:17,18a âBut if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwells in you.â Romans 8:11 âFor God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.â John 3:16 âAnd it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.â Acts 2:21
rikw2 about 15 years ago
I absolutely love the expressions for Hobbes here. In the second one he is so doe-eyed wiggling his cute little spirit fingers, and then they brow drops and the claws pop out in a âtry-it and dieâ expression.
ratlum about 15 years ago
Puddleglum2 You must think the cartoon is real ,and all that other bleeep too
bald about 15 years ago
so why did calvin turn away so easily? his day must not have been all that bad after all
Aardvark359 about 15 years ago
âWe must respect the other fellowâs religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart.â â H. L. Mencken
Puddleglum2 about 15 years ago
Apparently you resemble that remark, and so does the âbird of a featherâ a couple posts before you. I just responded to a comment that had facts, but misconstrued what they meant, in my opinion. My remarks seem to strike a sensitive negative chord in a few people because they donât want to believe what they are afraid might really be true.
alviebird about 15 years ago
This must be the original âtalk to the handâ.
alviebird about 15 years ago
Puddleglum2âs point, I think, is that nobody took His life- He gave it. It was Godâs plan all along. ââŠthe Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.â -Rev. 13:8
dpgb_lee about 15 years ago
I think Puddleglum2âs point is that everyone who doesnât believe the way he does is simply afraid of the possibility that it might be true. If this were the case people would believe simply because of that fear. The evil underbelly of Puddleglum2âs religion (and the solid base that that specific religion is founded upon) is the fear of the possibility of eternal damnation, which doesnât really sound like âagapeâ love to me. Puddleglum2 wants people to live the way his religion says they should live which is completely counterintuitive to the concept of free will.
Also you can throw as many bible verses at a rational conversation as you want, they still hold no bearing on the conversation and add absolutely nothing to the discussion. Preaching a sermon on Jesusâ love for mankind has nothing to do with the âplight of manâ as it were, so keep it in church man.
treBsdrawkcaB about 15 years ago
Puddleglum and thebird55 - Thank you! I was about to respond in kind when I saw that you had already done so.
Excellent posts, both.
Puddleglum2 about 15 years ago
Hobbes is indicating (not so subtly) that he will âtalonâ Calvin if he doesnât back off. Okay, itâs a âbadâ pun.
cats32 about 15 years ago
help santa claws is attacking get it santa CLAWS!!
Aardvark359 about 15 years ago
I love how whenever I defend Puddleglum2âs right to be a complete blow-hard, he/she/it always responds with an insult. No good deed goes unpunished.
âFaith is believing something you know ainât true.â - Mark Twain
Puddleglum2 about 15 years ago
@dpgb_lee, Your rationalizations are faulty from my perspective. Some people do believe out of fear, âAnd others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.â Jude 23 But others do not believe out of fear. âAnd in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in tormentsâŠâ Luke 16:23a This rich man who had died asked for a drop of water to cool his tongue, but he would not repent of his sins to receive mercy for eternal life. If there were not free will, God would force everyone to be saved. They are allowed to choose their own destiny. I think Bible verses hold every bearing on the conversation since they are Godâs word. Jesusâ love for mankind has everything to do with âthe plight of manâ since his love prompted him to pay the penalty for those sins on the cross of calvary. âAgapeâ love is most effective for the believer (Christian). The nonbeliever refuses to accept Godâs love. If there were no eternal consequences for unrepented sin, all mankind would go to heaven (universal salvation) and heaven would be like earth. The âplight of manâ would remain forever.
Vonnegut about 15 years ago
Blessed are the verboseâŠ
DallasMom1959 about 15 years ago
Funny And To The PointâŠ
bmonk about 15 years ago
dpgb_lee said, about 4 hours ago
âI think Puddleglum2âs point is that everyone who doesnât believe the way he does is simply afraid of the possibility that it might be true. If this were the case people would believe simply because of that fear. The evil underbelly of Puddleglum2âs religion (and the solid base that that specific religion is founded upon) is the fear of the possibility of eternal damnation, which doesnât really sound like âagapeâ love to me. Puddleglum2 wants people to live the way his religion says they should live which is completely counterintuitive to the concept of free will.â
Not soâwe make ourselves worthy of damnation by choosing wrong things. Agape love is the possibility, as a free gift, of receiving something better. I donât believe out of fear, but in hope, a hope that I have found reliable in living well here on earth as well asâI hopeâin the future.
Dino-1 about 15 years ago
Lonewolf: Even better Clint sayings. I wish he made those kinds of movies again. Oh, the good old days.
medamo about 15 years ago
Hobbes had to work on that one. It looks like he almost forgot he had the âclaws of doomâ in there.
chubbygirlcomics about 15 years ago
Not even close, Calvin. I know from personal experience that they swarm.
alviebird about 15 years ago
If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, whether he rage or laugh, there is no rest. -Prov. 29:9
âŠGod shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. -2Thess. 2:11
Some people do not want Truth. However, I will continue to cast pearls even if there are a few swine about. Iâll just TRY to not engage them in debate.
Got to admire Vonnegutâs post, though.
mdmontford about 15 years ago
hilerus
billyjack71 about 15 years ago
One of these days that tiger is going to leave Calvin hanging in a tree by the seat of his pants. Heâs a meaner kid than I ever was when I was a kid.. But I didnât have a pet tiger either. I had all kinds of wild animals as pets from being raised on a farm. My favorite one was a pet fawn. Or one of the two ground hogs that I raised.
Puddleglum2 about 15 years ago
Even four words are verbose, if they are totally meaningless except in empty sarcasm.
Puddleglum2 about 15 years ago
Aardvark359 is of the same ilk as the âverboseâ one. Heâs as phony as a three-dollar bill in claiming that he defends my right to be a complete anything. If it always results in insults, he must be a glutton for punishment. His quote from H. L. Mencken was just another foolish attempt to ridicule a well-reasoned and carefully thought out apologetic. The term blow-hard applies directly to himself as âan ill wind that blows no goodâ. At best, Mark Twainâs comment refers to blind faith. Believing what one knows not to be true is utterly nonsensical and serves no useful purpose, whatsoever. âFaith is the substance (confidence) of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.â Hebrews 11:1 âThe fool has said in his heart, there is no God.â Psalms 14:1 and 53:1 Note that God says two times the same thing. If God speaks once, people should listen; if He speaks twice, people had better listen.
HonourWest about 15 years ago
Hey Puddleglum2. I agree entirely with your beliefs but I wonder if your sense of humour might need a little work?
Get the Truth out there sure, but donât forget to have a good laugh at yourself along the way. =)
Aardvark359 about 15 years ago
Hooray! More insults from one of the âchosenâ! Godâs love clearly has made you a kinder, gentler person!
What Puddleglum2 doesnât get is that while I disagree with everything she says, the manner in which she says it and the shear volume of the saying, I still defend her right to say it. Itâs doesnât even matter that she doesnât appreciate it. This is America. I am an American. She can cutânâpaste her religion and spew insults at anyone who doesnât buy into every word she says. Iâll continue to defend her right to do so long after everyone else has skipped, deleted and prayed that she would just shut up.
Itâs a beautiful day in America!
âI contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.â â Stephen Roberts
coldplague over 13 years ago
now that is disturbing
wowzo almost 13 years ago
Never wake a sleeping tiger