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Danae: OK, Jeffrey... I've got a cool, prize-winning idea on how to travel to another solar system. Jeffrey: Oh, this I've gotta see. Uhh... wow. I... I... I'm speechless. Danae: I get that a lot... must be from being the presence of raw genius.
Sorry, Danae, your idea impinges on the intellectual property of ITC Entertainment in its similarity to the entertainment program âSpace: 1999â in which the moon is used as a vessel upon which humanity travels to other star systems.
On âSpace:1999â the moon was blasted out of orbit by a super-duper chain reaction of atomic waste dumped there, shooting it out of the plane of the ecliptic and into very convenient wormholes (at least 10 times per season).Unfortunately, the moon would rip apart before being blasted out of Earth orbit, creating general havok, and ruining the tides, as well as a lot of good songs.Adn since itâs impossible, the Pentagon will buy the idea.
Thereâs a classic SF story where aliens quarantined Earth to keep us from colonizing space, but mankind responded by turning Earth itself into a rocket ship. I forget the title.
Nothing to add. âSpace 1999â (as has been mentioned) did something like this in the 1970s. Wonder if Danae has been into her Dadâs DVD collection again?
Oh, man⊠Space 1999⊠I completely fogot about that show! Maybe it was planted deep in my subconscious memory. I think I only watched a few episodes of it (yes, Iâm that old) and thought, âGeez, this is stupidâ. So I guess that stupid premise came bubbling up for me!
This could work, but use Enceladus, one of the moons of Saturn. They just discovered a vast underground ocean of water thatâs full of hydrogen and oxygen (i.e., rocket fuel). Google ânasa Cassini Captures Ocean-Like Spray at Saturn Moonâ. Unfortunately, if you did it, you could ruin the rings of Saturn!
âSpace:1999â got beyond ridiculous when almost every week everyone was killed off, then resurrected by a benevolent alien in time for next weekâs show. Not to mention that the moon must ave been hollow and filled with Eagles, since they blew two or three of them up each week.
As Nightshade mentioned above, removing the moon from earthâs orbit could have a whole bunch of very nasty and unexpected consequences. Of course, we know the tides would almost completely disappear. But would the loss of that mass cause a change in the earthâs orbit? If so, where would we end up? In the path of another planetâs orbit? Removing that much mass from the equation could get very tricky. Any astrophysicists out there who would like to weigh in intelligently instead of uneducated rambling?
Well, assuming that you could move the moon without itâs gravity pulling the Earth out of orbit, thereâs no reason why Earthâs orbit would change.
Even taking into account the displacement that removal of the moonâs mass would make on the Earthâs orbit though, it wouldnât make a significant orbital change. Maybe weâd have to change the century leap-days.
More important is the cessation of the tides, which would wipe out a great deal of ocean life.
I once tried to design a role-playing game on space travel using only the laws of physics. Artificial gravity would be supplied with a 10 meter per second per second accelleration to the half way point, then face the other way to slow down for reentry. With an impossible 100% Carnot efficiency of E=MCsquared, no matter what size the space vehicle (and thus fuel capacity versus total mass) fuel ran out at a quarter the speed of light somewhere around the orbit of Neptune.
I poured the details into the standard fantasy format and had Mythworld.
Ancient myths from around the globe tell of a time when the moon was not yet in the sky. Even the Bible alludes to this scenario: Job 25:5 the grandeur of the Lord who âMakes peace in the heightsâ is praised and the time is mentioned âbefore [there was] a moon and it did not shine.â Also in Psalm 72:5 it is said: âThou wast feared since [the time of] the sun and before [the time of] the moon, a generation of generations.â From âThe Earth Without the Moon:â âThe period when the Earth was Moonless is probably the most remote recollection of mankind. Democritus and Anaxagoras taught that there was a time when the Earth was without the Moon.Aristotle wrote that Arcadia in Greece, before being inhabited by the Hellenes, had a population of Pelasgians, and that these aborigines occupied the land already before there was a moon in the sky above the Earth; for this reason they were called Proselenes.Apollonius of Rhodes mentioned the time âwhen not all the orbs were yet in the heavens, before the Danai and Deukalion races came into existence, and only the Arcadians lived, of whom it is said that they dwelt on mountains and fed on acorns, before there was a moon.â While itâs quite probable the moon formed naturally elsewhere and was captured by our Earthâs gravity, thereâs compelling evidence to suggest that our moon is in fact a construct and was deliberately placed just so. Suggested search terms: âmoon anomaliesâ âPegasus Research Consortiumâ Wait⊠there were an entire race of people named the âDanai?â Disturbing, no? At any rate, instead of the moon, since the (possible?) current inhabitants â The âAnunnakiâ â may not care for our taking their spaceship, perhaps an asteroid would be more appropriate to adapt to Danaeâs idea.
Space:1999 Moonbase Alpha had their own âMechanics Bayâ where they stored, serviced and built Eagles. They would need them for âOperation Exodusâ, that day when they would leave the moon permanently for a new world.
In addition to providing tides, the moon exerts a gyroscopic effect on earth. As it is, the earth wobbles slightly in its many trips around the sun. Observing from the pole stright up, it would trace out a circle every 23,000 years or so. But it never gets more than about 23 degrees âoff verticalâ
Without the moon. It would wobble faster and even more pronounced and perhaps the earth would even wind up laying on its side.
If it flipped 90 degrees, twice a year we would have 12 hours of light and darkness (at the equinoxes when the earthâs axis is tangental to its orbit) gradually lenthing to 24 hours of sunshine or darkness (when the axis is pointing directly at the sun).
This would probably cause us to rethink daylight savings time and also cause some climate change.
Donât feel bad, Wiley. Since you started this every suggestion has come from a SF TV, movie, SS or Novel. NO ONE has had an original idea, first because the idea has been bandied about so much and second because itâs hard to come up with an original practical idea for ANYTHING let alone space travel. i think NASAâs money is safe unless the award it to an idea and are prepared to split the award with every SF writer and the estates of the dead ones.
Anyone remember the British TV show "Space: 1999? Nuclear waste stored on the moon explodes, blowing the moon out of orbit and into interstellar space.
comicgos over 13 years ago
Danae you are some kind of âraw geniusâ!
SupraGuy over 13 years ago
Sorry, Danae, your idea impinges on the intellectual property of ITC Entertainment in its similarity to the entertainment program âSpace: 1999â in which the moon is used as a vessel upon which humanity travels to other star systems.
x_Tech over 13 years ago
If you like Danaesâ idea, check out The Armageddon Inheritance by David Weber.
spamster over 13 years ago
I dont think they did that on purpose in Space: 1999, unless Im thinking of the wrong cheesy scifi TV show
Can't Sleep over 13 years ago
On âSpace:1999â the moon was blasted out of orbit by a super-duper chain reaction of atomic waste dumped there, shooting it out of the plane of the ecliptic and into very convenient wormholes (at least 10 times per season).Unfortunately, the moon would rip apart before being blasted out of Earth orbit, creating general havok, and ruining the tides, as well as a lot of good songs.Adn since itâs impossible, the Pentagon will buy the idea.
kreole over 13 years ago
I find it amazing that there is a prize for that when the United States can no longer even get to the space station.
kreole over 13 years ago
Oh yeah, I realize itâs just a cartoonâŠ.and itâs really about the philosophy of kids, but I couldnât resist the opening.
Coyoty Premium Member over 13 years ago
Thereâs a classic SF story where aliens quarantined Earth to keep us from colonizing space, but mankind responded by turning Earth itself into a rocket ship. I forget the title.
tripwire45 over 13 years ago
Nothing to add. âSpace 1999â (as has been mentioned) did something like this in the 1970s. Wonder if Danae has been into her Dadâs DVD collection again?
GROG Premium Member over 13 years ago
Space: 1999 IS available on DVD.
lewisbower over 13 years ago
Your plan is full of what?. This gas comes from where? Forget NASA, send it to Congress.
hariseldon59 over 13 years ago
Space:1999 was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw this strip as well. Glad to see that Iâm not the only one who remembers that show.
Wiley creator over 13 years ago
Oh, man⊠Space 1999⊠I completely fogot about that show! Maybe it was planted deep in my subconscious memory. I think I only watched a few episodes of it (yes, Iâm that old) and thought, âGeez, this is stupidâ. So I guess that stupid premise came bubbling up for me!
ken_v_k over 13 years ago
This could work, but use Enceladus, one of the moons of Saturn. They just discovered a vast underground ocean of water thatâs full of hydrogen and oxygen (i.e., rocket fuel). Google ânasa Cassini Captures Ocean-Like Spray at Saturn Moonâ. Unfortunately, if you did it, you could ruin the rings of Saturn!
steverinoCT over 13 years ago
My mom had a thing for Martin Landau, so we watched it. It takes all kinds, I guess.
neatslob Premium Member over 13 years ago
âSpace:1999â got beyond ridiculous when almost every week everyone was killed off, then resurrected by a benevolent alien in time for next weekâs show. Not to mention that the moon must ave been hollow and filled with Eagles, since they blew two or three of them up each week.
TexTech over 13 years ago
As Nightshade mentioned above, removing the moon from earthâs orbit could have a whole bunch of very nasty and unexpected consequences. Of course, we know the tides would almost completely disappear. But would the loss of that mass cause a change in the earthâs orbit? If so, where would we end up? In the path of another planetâs orbit? Removing that much mass from the equation could get very tricky. Any astrophysicists out there who would like to weigh in intelligently instead of uneducated rambling?
BloomCo over 13 years ago
But the Eagle is still the coolest looking transport ever designed.
Dewsolo over 13 years ago
Thereâs a Heinlein novel in there somewhere, too.
SupraGuy over 13 years ago
Well, assuming that you could move the moon without itâs gravity pulling the Earth out of orbit, thereâs no reason why Earthâs orbit would change.
Even taking into account the displacement that removal of the moonâs mass would make on the Earthâs orbit though, it wouldnât make a significant orbital change. Maybe weâd have to change the century leap-days.
More important is the cessation of the tides, which would wipe out a great deal of ocean life.
psychlady over 13 years ago
You go, Danae!
Destiny23 over 13 years ago
I guess the contest rules donât say anything about âwithin our lifetimeâ, so yeah, Danae wins!
Digital Frog over 13 years ago
Could always remake the moon into a Dysan Sphere
hippogriff over 13 years ago
I once tried to design a role-playing game on space travel using only the laws of physics. Artificial gravity would be supplied with a 10 meter per second per second accelleration to the half way point, then face the other way to slow down for reentry. With an impossible 100% Carnot efficiency of E=MCsquared, no matter what size the space vehicle (and thus fuel capacity versus total mass) fuel ran out at a quarter the speed of light somewhere around the orbit of Neptune.
I poured the details into the standard fantasy format and had Mythworld.
phuhknees over 13 years ago
Ancient myths from around the globe tell of a time when the moon was not yet in the sky. Even the Bible alludes to this scenario: Job 25:5 the grandeur of the Lord who âMakes peace in the heightsâ is praised and the time is mentioned âbefore [there was] a moon and it did not shine.â Also in Psalm 72:5 it is said: âThou wast feared since [the time of] the sun and before [the time of] the moon, a generation of generations.â From âThe Earth Without the Moon:â âThe period when the Earth was Moonless is probably the most remote recollection of mankind. Democritus and Anaxagoras taught that there was a time when the Earth was without the Moon. Aristotle wrote that Arcadia in Greece, before being inhabited by the Hellenes, had a population of Pelasgians, and that these aborigines occupied the land already before there was a moon in the sky above the Earth; for this reason they were called Proselenes. Apollonius of Rhodes mentioned the time âwhen not all the orbs were yet in the heavens, before the Danai and Deukalion races came into existence, and only the Arcadians lived, of whom it is said that they dwelt on mountains and fed on acorns, before there was a moon.â While itâs quite probable the moon formed naturally elsewhere and was captured by our Earthâs gravity, thereâs compelling evidence to suggest that our moon is in fact a construct and was deliberately placed just so. Suggested search terms: âmoon anomaliesâ âPegasus Research Consortiumâ Wait⊠there were an entire race of people named the âDanai?â Disturbing, no? At any rate, instead of the moon, since the (possible?) current inhabitants â The âAnunnakiâ â may not care for our taking their spaceship, perhaps an asteroid would be more appropriate to adapt to Danaeâs idea.
odeliasimone over 13 years ago
Danae, you get that alot because all that 4,000 years worth of gas IS you.
TheDOCTOR over 13 years ago
Space:1999 Moonbase Alpha had their own âMechanics Bayâ where they stored, serviced and built Eagles. They would need them for âOperation Exodusâ, that day when they would leave the moon permanently for a new world.
dflak over 13 years ago
In addition to providing tides, the moon exerts a gyroscopic effect on earth. As it is, the earth wobbles slightly in its many trips around the sun. Observing from the pole stright up, it would trace out a circle every 23,000 years or so. But it never gets more than about 23 degrees âoff verticalâ
Without the moon. It would wobble faster and even more pronounced and perhaps the earth would even wind up laying on its side.
If it flipped 90 degrees, twice a year we would have 12 hours of light and darkness (at the equinoxes when the earthâs axis is tangental to its orbit) gradually lenthing to 24 hours of sunshine or darkness (when the axis is pointing directly at the sun).
This would probably cause us to rethink daylight savings time and also cause some climate change.
Dtroutma over 13 years ago
Of course, Danae also makes us wonder, looking upon our society, whether Earth has ever developed a bipedal âintelligent life formâ.
Potrzebie over 13 years ago
Too many geeks reading this strip.
freeholder1 over 13 years ago
Donât feel bad, Wiley. Since you started this every suggestion has come from a SF TV, movie, SS or Novel. NO ONE has had an original idea, first because the idea has been bandied about so much and second because itâs hard to come up with an original practical idea for ANYTHING let alone space travel. i think NASAâs money is safe unless the award it to an idea and are prepared to split the award with every SF writer and the estates of the dead ones.
freeholder1 over 13 years ago
Donât forget 1999 starred Martin Landau and Barbra Bain so it really was on a mission impossible. :-)
Coyoty Premium Member over 13 years ago
Itâs not âThe Wandererâ. Totally different description.
hitman4cookies over 13 years ago
Anyone remember the British TV show "Space: 1999? Nuclear waste stored on the moon explodes, blowing the moon out of orbit and into interstellar space.
GROG Premium Member over 13 years ago
I also loved theme music to UFO.
DCWriter71 over 13 years ago
And like many things consumed raw, Danaeâs âgeniusâ can lead to severe stomach pains.