I’ve been waiting for the word “objection.”. Neither of these two appear to have adequate barrister skills. They’ve both been making witness-leading statements that either could have objected to, and delivering monologues that belong in opening & closing arguments. Then again since the whole point of a trial is to determine the extent to which a law has been broken, Jack is right because it’s impossible to determine means, motive and opportunity for a non-existent rule.
I like that! To edify, not punish, To edify….to instruct improve spiritually. To improve. To build. I had to look this up to be sure what Jack meant. It is what Aaron means now. This is very important to the whole story and how it will come about.You must be very educated to utilize the most pertinent wording to put the whole mess into motion. I salute you. Blessed Be.
Have a bad feeling that this is all for show anyway, and that the HC has a nasty surprise to end it badly. Allgood is their voice, but only in the smallest sense. He’ s getting things started, but the HC will drop the hammer.
I think this is the point where Allgood is told (if I may paraphrase from the Army-McCarthy hearnings), “Have you no SHAME sir. At long last. Have you no SHAME?!?!?!”
Isn’t it odd: More than one year agoWe learned more of Jacob, and his one-man show.We saw him up close, and did not like the viewAnd dreaded, and talked about, what he would do.A personal marker for me from that timeIt was what brought me out, and the start of my rhymeA day or two after above-linked eventsI started my whimsy here; I’ve been here since.But Jacob Jackrabbit was Hitler-with-earsA personal coward who stirred the mob’s fears(The cowardice we’d learned about from beforeHe’d already shown what we’d come to deplore.)=|====/ Level HeadVote for Endtown 2.0And for Doc Rat, tooVote for Endtown ClassicThe Endtown ForumThe Endtown AuctionThe Endtown Books
I said that. Read my sentence after the one you’ve quoted. “Jack is right because it’s impossible to determine means, motive and opportunity for a non-existent rule.”
There’s something important that still doesn’t seem to have registered in Allgood’s awareness: He’s arguing towards Linda’s, Maude’s and Holly’s execution.
I’m rather enjoying this story line – as Level_Head so eloquently pointed out, a while ago we were condemning Jacob for his extremist views on self-acceptance, now he’s the good guy for espousing the same beliefs, while the guy pushing traditional “human” values is vilified. It is the mark of an excellent story teller that we can feel compassion for both sides – to recognize that there ARE two sides, to see that both sides have a point, and to see that neither side is particularly correct. If only government (past, present and future), its critics and its supporters could realize this…
It’s hard not to self-identify when you have a tail, hooves, horns, and produce milk by the pail. If it looks like a duck, moves like a duck, and quack likes a duck, then it must be…. a scientific genius.
Hehehe!Some time ago I remember posters here going on about Jake and his ideals. How he was part of this. He was as bad as Allgood.NOW folks are going “Go Jackrabbit”. We are quick to judge and just as quick to switch sides.One can speak out with their views even when it might seem harsh. It does not mean they would carry it out just talking about it as options.That is a very human thing. Even switching sides like that. The difference between Jake and Allgood is very simple.Jake wants folks to make up their OWN minds about the situations they are in.Allgood wants it FORCED upon you with no choice either way.Both want change one by choice, one by force.The only reason this has turned from rhetoric to actions is the fact that Allgood with the help of a conspiracy have seized control of the governing body. Now instead of rhetoric Allgood is using this new found ability to make changes by force of law instead of spouting off words. Jake never took that route of fixing things instead keeping to the speaking circuits using words not actions to get folks to voluntarily make the changes or ask for the changes. ((I said before Jake was better speaker than Allgood.I’ll bet they went at each other in Debate Class when they were in high school before the war. I think their history goes further back than Endtown. Just thinking)).
I implore those who are embracing the immature ideas of ‘what is evil’ to give it up, as this comic has. People in ‘Endtwon’ have /reasons/ for doing what they do and it’s exceedingly rare that someone (Allgood’s squeeze, possibly) is doing it just to witness the suffering. Allgood fears people will degenerate into the animals they think they are; Jack fears that people will crouch behind doors, ashamed of what they are now. Flask knew exactly what the Topsiders were capable of. REASONS, people! And you can’t exactly say they are entirely incorrect! Evil, my friends, is the willingness to do ANYTHING, anything at all, to accomplish your goals.
If the High Council is doing anything they are popping Jiffy Pop and enjoying the show.They already know what they are going to do.Just remember this is all a show. What is really going on behind the scenes?Who is controlling the High Council?Who is in command of the Security Forces?We know Velda BUT she could not do it alone.
I will say one thing about Allgood and Jackrabbit.Both are committed to their causes and willing to go the distance.I have seen too many either give up or just give in when the going gets rough.
that is the best point I’ve heard so far, Panda-boy has been saying he’s trying to preserve “human values” but our most sacred value is the right to self determination. I mean today a woman faces execution for acting like a cow, tomorrow they’ll be killing gay people.
well I think if they get executed there is no Endtown …kinda like in the movies…the good guys ALWAYS win!!! If they were gone who be our main characters????
It is the same thing the entity told Bender in a Futurama episode when he floated in space with tiny civilizations living on him. He favored one which was the ones he could see. He became God in their eyes. The other group did not see him as much and began to dislike the other side. A great war was fought killing all. There floated Bender confused about what he did. He asked the entity “Did I do right or did I do wrong?”The entity pointed it this way:Right and Wrong are merely words.What matters is what you do.The same applies here.Good and evil are merely words.What matters is what is done.
I get so much philosophy (I think that’s it) out of these discussions. There were many great things said today! The one quote, if I had to choose would be " So concerned about morality that he has lost sight of compassion" Thanks Vet.
“Or they could take Jake’s view, accept that this is the “new norm” as a result of the “new flesh” and go ahead and hold there head up anyway.”Why aren’t they? Why are mutants so embarrassed by what their bodies are doing to them? Surreptitiously throwing eggs away so no one sees what they’re doing. Producing milk only for people they trust, or making cheese from that milk and hiding it so no one else sees it. There’s a level of guilt or refusal to accept byproducts as a natural part of their lives. This has been going on in Endtown for roughly 7 years now. Why is this still an issue for the entire colony?
A couple of posts mention the Scopes trial…one thng to keep in mind: don’t take “Inherit the Wind” as an accurate guide to what went on. When Clarence Darrow questioned William Jennings Bryan, Bryan scored some points along the way. The play, er, makes a monkey of Bryan, which was the political axe the playwrights wanted to grind. (Bryan wanted to examine Darrow but was prevented from doing so.)
" I earned every G-DD^#N one of these grey hairs and I’m proud of that."
I’m the same way. I keep having people tell me that I’m too young to have so much grey hair. My response has always been, “I’ve earned every one of them and don’t regret the experiences.”
“The Society for the Preservation of Human Values” THAT"S why!"I don’t think the Society is all that far-reaching or well-known. If we look at Dolly, she had the strong “yuck” reaction at the thought of eating cheese made from Maude’s milk, but she apparently hadn’t heard of Allgood or the Society before. No, I believe that mutants on the whole still view their edible byproducts to be an embarrassing side effect of the mutation that they’re subconsciously still trying to deny. It runs deeper than just having a “professional scold” on the fringes of people’s awareness.
People have only had seven years to adjust to their new selves. Wally had been a mutant for only six years when he met Holly and was still having trouble adjusting to going from a medium sized human to a three foot tall anthro feline. If it weren’t for Holly he’d probably still be struggling. Some lucky people like Holly have made a fairly smooth transition and others, not so much. Thus people are still freaked out by the notion of some individuals producing milk and eggs. It might require a generation or two before folks become nonchalant about other people producing milk and eggs.Now that I think about it, I’m surprised that Linda adjusted to the idea so quickly. That says a lot about whatever she had to eat as a Topsider.
Two legs good.Four legs bad.Allgood all bad.Mark my words. In two weeks from now, Mr Neathery will probably have me in tears over Octavius Allgood and the noble and wonderful things he does, considering the terrible struggles he has had to face.
JanBic Premium Member over 11 years ago
What he said…
TheFoxaroo over 11 years ago
I’ve been waiting for the word “objection.”. Neither of these two appear to have adequate barrister skills. They’ve both been making witness-leading statements that either could have objected to, and delivering monologues that belong in opening & closing arguments. Then again since the whole point of a trial is to determine the extent to which a law has been broken, Jack is right because it’s impossible to determine means, motive and opportunity for a non-existent rule.
dirtyoldlady1 over 11 years ago
I like that! To edify, not punish, To edify….to instruct improve spiritually. To improve. To build. I had to look this up to be sure what Jack meant. It is what Aaron means now. This is very important to the whole story and how it will come about.You must be very educated to utilize the most pertinent wording to put the whole mess into motion. I salute you. Blessed Be.
RickD Premium Member over 11 years ago
and Jacob, if she wants to keep her “human” surname—that’s her business too. Not yours.
RickD Premium Member over 11 years ago
Have a bad feeling that this is all for show anyway, and that the HC has a nasty surprise to end it badly. Allgood is their voice, but only in the smallest sense. He’ s getting things started, but the HC will drop the hammer.
Baarorso over 11 years ago
I think this is the point where Allgood is told (if I may paraphrase from the Army-McCarthy hearnings), “Have you no SHAME sir. At long last. Have you no SHAME?!?!?!”
Level_Head over 11 years ago
Isn’t it odd: More than one year agoWe learned more of Jacob, and his one-man show.We saw him up close, and did not like the viewAnd dreaded, and talked about, what he would do.A personal marker for me from that timeIt was what brought me out, and the start of my rhymeA day or two after above-linked eventsI started my whimsy here; I’ve been here since.But Jacob Jackrabbit was Hitler-with-earsA personal coward who stirred the mob’s fears(The cowardice we’d learned about from beforeHe’d already shown what we’d come to deplore.)=|====/ Level HeadVote for Endtown 2.0And for Doc Rat, tooVote for Endtown ClassicThe Endtown ForumThe Endtown AuctionThe Endtown Books
Tue Elung-Jensen over 11 years ago
Clearly need some themes from Phoenix Wright inserted here :)
Ida No over 11 years ago
“Food fight!”
TheFoxaroo over 11 years ago
I said that. Read my sentence after the one you’ve quoted. “Jack is right because it’s impossible to determine means, motive and opportunity for a non-existent rule.”
Jenner Premium Member over 11 years ago
There’s something important that still doesn’t seem to have registered in Allgood’s awareness: He’s arguing towards Linda’s, Maude’s and Holly’s execution.
up2trixx over 11 years ago
I’m rather enjoying this story line – as Level_Head so eloquently pointed out, a while ago we were condemning Jacob for his extremist views on self-acceptance, now he’s the good guy for espousing the same beliefs, while the guy pushing traditional “human” values is vilified. It is the mark of an excellent story teller that we can feel compassion for both sides – to recognize that there ARE two sides, to see that both sides have a point, and to see that neither side is particularly correct. If only government (past, present and future), its critics and its supporters could realize this…
Francis362003 over 11 years ago
Go Jackrabbit!
salenstormwing over 11 years ago
It’s hard not to self-identify when you have a tail, hooves, horns, and produce milk by the pail. If it looks like a duck, moves like a duck, and quack likes a duck, then it must be…. a scientific genius.
Proxima Premium Member over 11 years ago
This is bringing back some memories of the play ( and movie) “Inherit the Wind”.
Vet Premium Member over 11 years ago
Hehehe!Some time ago I remember posters here going on about Jake and his ideals. How he was part of this. He was as bad as Allgood.NOW folks are going “Go Jackrabbit”. We are quick to judge and just as quick to switch sides.One can speak out with their views even when it might seem harsh. It does not mean they would carry it out just talking about it as options.That is a very human thing. Even switching sides like that. The difference between Jake and Allgood is very simple.Jake wants folks to make up their OWN minds about the situations they are in.Allgood wants it FORCED upon you with no choice either way.Both want change one by choice, one by force.The only reason this has turned from rhetoric to actions is the fact that Allgood with the help of a conspiracy have seized control of the governing body. Now instead of rhetoric Allgood is using this new found ability to make changes by force of law instead of spouting off words. Jake never took that route of fixing things instead keeping to the speaking circuits using words not actions to get folks to voluntarily make the changes or ask for the changes. ((I said before Jake was better speaker than Allgood.I’ll bet they went at each other in Debate Class when they were in high school before the war. I think their history goes further back than Endtown. Just thinking)).
Dragoncat over 11 years ago
What’s the matter, Allgood…Can’t you swallow what you dish out?
Bob. over 11 years ago
We don’t hear from a judge who is supposed to be conducting this “trial”.
Drmercurious over 11 years ago
I implore those who are embracing the immature ideas of ‘what is evil’ to give it up, as this comic has. People in ‘Endtwon’ have /reasons/ for doing what they do and it’s exceedingly rare that someone (Allgood’s squeeze, possibly) is doing it just to witness the suffering. Allgood fears people will degenerate into the animals they think they are; Jack fears that people will crouch behind doors, ashamed of what they are now. Flask knew exactly what the Topsiders were capable of. REASONS, people! And you can’t exactly say they are entirely incorrect! Evil, my friends, is the willingness to do ANYTHING, anything at all, to accomplish your goals.
twcowdery over 11 years ago
I wonder if the High Council might find Jacob in contempt if he continues in this vein.
Vet Premium Member over 11 years ago
If the High Council is doing anything they are popping Jiffy Pop and enjoying the show.They already know what they are going to do.Just remember this is all a show. What is really going on behind the scenes?Who is controlling the High Council?Who is in command of the Security Forces?We know Velda BUT she could not do it alone.
Coyoty Premium Member over 11 years ago
“I objectify!”
Vet Premium Member over 11 years ago
I will say one thing about Allgood and Jackrabbit.Both are committed to their causes and willing to go the distance.I have seen too many either give up or just give in when the going gets rough.
yangeldf over 11 years ago
that is the best point I’ve heard so far, Panda-boy has been saying he’s trying to preserve “human values” but our most sacred value is the right to self determination. I mean today a woman faces execution for acting like a cow, tomorrow they’ll be killing gay people.
cindyorch over 11 years ago
well I think if they get executed there is no Endtown …kinda like in the movies…the good guys ALWAYS win!!! If they were gone who be our main characters????
Dragoncat over 11 years ago
So it seems the score is tied.Algood: 1Jackrabbit: 1It’s going to be up to Linda to break the tie. Can’t wait to hear what she has to say.
Vet Premium Member over 11 years ago
It is the same thing the entity told Bender in a Futurama episode when he floated in space with tiny civilizations living on him. He favored one which was the ones he could see. He became God in their eyes. The other group did not see him as much and began to dislike the other side. A great war was fought killing all. There floated Bender confused about what he did. He asked the entity “Did I do right or did I do wrong?”The entity pointed it this way:Right and Wrong are merely words.What matters is what you do.The same applies here.Good and evil are merely words.What matters is what is done.
rvonluchen over 11 years ago
I like the part about professional scolds. Does that pay well?
pam Miner over 11 years ago
At least it’s better. Jackrabbit is good. He get Maude calm to see she is OK just like she is, and she is right.
pam Miner over 11 years ago
I get so much philosophy (I think that’s it) out of these discussions. There were many great things said today! The one quote, if I had to choose would be " So concerned about morality that he has lost sight of compassion" Thanks Vet.
witchspell63 over 11 years ago
Breaking news!!! White hat terrorist has been captured. Alive!
Ida No over 11 years ago
“Or they could take Jake’s view, accept that this is the “new norm” as a result of the “new flesh” and go ahead and hold there head up anyway.”Why aren’t they? Why are mutants so embarrassed by what their bodies are doing to them? Surreptitiously throwing eggs away so no one sees what they’re doing. Producing milk only for people they trust, or making cheese from that milk and hiding it so no one else sees it. There’s a level of guilt or refusal to accept byproducts as a natural part of their lives. This has been going on in Endtown for roughly 7 years now. Why is this still an issue for the entire colony?
Robert Nowall Premium Member over 11 years ago
A couple of posts mention the Scopes trial…one thng to keep in mind: don’t take “Inherit the Wind” as an accurate guide to what went on. When Clarence Darrow questioned William Jennings Bryan, Bryan scored some points along the way. The play, er, makes a monkey of Bryan, which was the political axe the playwrights wanted to grind. (Bryan wanted to examine Darrow but was prevented from doing so.)
Lynn Kurtz over 11 years ago
" I earned every G-DD^#N one of these grey hairs and I’m proud of that."
I’m the same way. I keep having people tell me that I’m too young to have so much grey hair. My response has always been, “I’ve earned every one of them and don’t regret the experiences.”
Ida No over 11 years ago
“The Society for the Preservation of Human Values” THAT"S why!"I don’t think the Society is all that far-reaching or well-known. If we look at Dolly, she had the strong “yuck” reaction at the thought of eating cheese made from Maude’s milk, but she apparently hadn’t heard of Allgood or the Society before. No, I believe that mutants on the whole still view their edible byproducts to be an embarrassing side effect of the mutation that they’re subconsciously still trying to deny. It runs deeper than just having a “professional scold” on the fringes of people’s awareness.
Darwinskeeper over 11 years ago
People have only had seven years to adjust to their new selves. Wally had been a mutant for only six years when he met Holly and was still having trouble adjusting to going from a medium sized human to a three foot tall anthro feline. If it weren’t for Holly he’d probably still be struggling. Some lucky people like Holly have made a fairly smooth transition and others, not so much. Thus people are still freaked out by the notion of some individuals producing milk and eggs. It might require a generation or two before folks become nonchalant about other people producing milk and eggs.Now that I think about it, I’m surprised that Linda adjusted to the idea so quickly. That says a lot about whatever she had to eat as a Topsider.
Jenner Premium Member over 11 years ago
Two legs good.Four legs bad.Allgood all bad.Mark my words. In two weeks from now, Mr Neathery will probably have me in tears over Octavius Allgood and the noble and wonderful things he does, considering the terrible struggles he has had to face.
Robert Nowall Premium Member over 11 years ago
I look forward to Monday. (At least about this.) Next up: Linda?
Jenner Premium Member over 11 years ago
Polarization is what Endtown is about, and Neathery handles the analysis perfectly.