When I said gas I meant natural gas not petrol. Now petrol is finally on the downward monthly cycle from 1.63c per litre. It’s funny how petrol is dear because the Australian dollar was high and even dearer now the dollar has fallen.
It’s entertaining to read the uninformed comments from the folks who deny global warming. They are today’s equivalent of yesterday’s flat-earth society.
As my non-scientific mind understands it, globalwarming and global colding alternate in cycleslasting millions of years. In other words, climate change has been going on since long before we were here and is likely to continue long after we extinctfy ourselves….
Please excuse the following long entry:The Earth has warmed about 12 degrees since the bottom of the last ice age approx. 15 thousand years ago, Roughly one degree per thousand years. That’s part of the natural cycle, but about 1 1/2 degrees of that warming has occurred in the last 200 years – a rate of warming 10-15 times faster than the natural rate. That accelerated rate of warming is due to human activity (addition of greenhouse gases to the atmosphere, alteration of the land surface, etc).
Not sure where Nabuqud. (first entry) gets his “facts”, but his statement (“record lows across entire continents for months at a time”) is a fantasy unless he is talking about Europe and Asia in the mid 1500s.
Consider these facts: … NASA photos — SATELLITE PHOTOS – of Arctic sea ice from the early 1970s to the present show a general strong trend of decreasing ice cover. … Something like 12 of the warmest years since the mid 1800s have all occurred in the last 15 years (those numbers might not be exactly correct — I’m doing this from memory), but you get the idea. … Average annual temperatures across Alaska have risen 7-12 degrees over the last 30 years. … Global average ocean temperatures have risen a half degree in 30 years. … The sea level is rising (because land ice is melting (especially Greenland) and thermal expansion of warning ocean water). … Heat-loving plants and animals are expanding their ranges northward from the tropics. … Right now most of Asia is experiencing its hottest summer in, I believe, 130 years, and 45% of the U.S. is in drought.
I could go on and on — but the point is, the evidence for warming is overwhelming. Sure, periods of record cold still occur, but record heat is much more frequent and widespread than record cold. Averaged across the entire planet, global temperatures are rising.
Global Warming is real, and inevitable. The Miracle Cure of Carbon Remediation is a hoax. The basis for CO2 phobia is ignorance of the laws of thermodynamics. Glaciers are created by heat energy, and exist only where there is sufficient atmospheric water vapor to create and support their existence as a dynamic flow of frozen water imbued with kinetic potential which is heat energy converted to kinetic force by the state change of water to vapor. The glaciers retreated when the snows stopped and the deserts started growing. Our seas are cold and our atmosphere thin, but only for a while. The sun will be darkened and the moon appear like blood. But feel free to panic if it makes you a superior person.
I think it’s clear that human activity is causing issues for the planet. Now the question is, do we use technology to reduce heat (e.g., superconductors to move heat into space) or just reduce the number of humans on the plant causing problems (e.g. launch the progressives into space using a rail gun).
It’s not “global warning” (climate change) that’s at issue with intelligent people. It’s the effect or influence that mankind has on that natural cycle that’s up for debate. Where the problem lies — is in the manipulation of data by those with an agenda — to somehow profit from the scare tactics they promulgate.
What’s going to happen on planet earth is going to happen, and everything that we do, nominally by sacrificing something we’re accustomed to in order to slow the cycle, has little to no effect. So eat, drink, and be merry. And move to higher ground if you’re worried.
There are none so blind as those who will not see. The evidence for climate change is all around you. Just open your eyes. The light will only be painful for a few moments.
When climatologists who have studied the planet’s heating and cooling cycles over millions of years tell you that the earth’s temperature has been rising for the past century, arguing with them only makes you look like a crackpot. You may be able to attack the assertion that the rise is tied to the Industrial Revolution but it will take some fancy math to show that there’s some other reason that the numbers line up so well.If you want to dispute the ‘global warming’ trope as it is understood by the public, your best bet is to go for the throat and attack the commercial hype that suggests you can delay or reverse the warming by buying a more expensive car or paying more for less electricity. The weak link is not in the science. It’s in the commercial exploitation of our ignorance.
How much we influence the temp is questionable. I believe the climate is changing. I think the main factor is we are wasteful; the other is we have a population of 7+ billion people growing exponentially. Remember in school, the SRA readers; “In the future the vast oceans will feed the people.” Well, we’ve already polluted and depleted them.
While I won’t argue that increased temperatures won’t cause problems, and that reducing fossil fuel use would be good, I must argue that the dinosaurs did quite well for a couple of hundred million years without icecaps. There was plenty of life in the equatorial zones, and in the oceans.
And, lo; on the eight day created he global warming and set all manner of Men against eachother; saying “Whomsoever believeth in truth shall for evermore deliberate the true cause of this conundrum – for I have chosen that Mankind should solve its own problems or thereafter debate forever the solution to the problem.”.In other words, stop debating the issue and start working together to make things better. It ain’t going to get better on its own.
To think that human activity is causing global warming is amazing, to think that humans can do anything to reverse a global trend is preposterous. It’s good that the scientists have stopped using “Global Warming” and have switched to “Global Weather Change” because this is natural cycles of solar activity in which we can do NOTHING!!!
Rugeirn Drienborough – and yet when the weather is cold we are told that local weather doesn’t matter and proves nothing. It is only global averages that are meaningful but when the local weather is warm or even, heaven forbid, HOT in July of August, it is a serious indicator of global warming.
The “lake” at the north pole was a melt water pond that was never more than 2’ deep and 150’ across. It sat on top of at least 3’ of ice and disappeared on July 29th. It is a normal part of the arctic climate in the summer when the sun shines 24/7. Today’s headline “North Pole Sees Unprecedented July Cold – Arctic Sees Shortest Summer On Record”, but you won’t hear the global warming cult talking about that.
Get the facts about global warming, together with supporting data and responses to the ostriches at:http://www.350.orghttp://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php
Apropos of almost nothing but a remark by Night-Gaunt49 about methane gasses, got me to thinking. Imagine all those huge herds of dinosaurs roaming the earth emitting methane gas. Can you imagine what the world smelled like ?
You really don’t get it, do you? The loss of the ice will cause warming. The warming will cause the ice to reappear. The ice will cool the world so much that the source of the ice, water vapor from global heat, is lost by reflection. The ice will recede. The world will warm. If all the cow flatulence and car exhaust adds up to changing the schedule by as much as a year in its multi-millennial cycle, that will still be meaningless to the results achieved. The only difference is that some scammers will live high on the profits of terrorizing the ignorant and superstitious in the meantime.
The present state and borders of the seas is temporary, in geological terms. Without the ice to reflect massive amounts of energy back to space, the world will warm. This means the seas will warm. They will become shallow and very salty and much smaller. There may be contiguous land around the globe, broken by smaller seas, rather than two bodies of water joined at head and tail to form contiguous seas broken by land masses as is indicated in the Piscean pictograph, with very large glaciers pressing down on the poles and an expanded equatorial girth resulting from that redistribution of mass. A few billion 100 Watt bulbs will not make a difference. The system is larger than the sum of humanity and human activity.
The ‘lake’ is gone, (drained through the ice ?) and wasn’t at the ‘North Pole’ anyway: http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/07/29/about-lake-north-pole …and: http://www.climatecentral.org/news/melting-at-north-pole-how-bad-is-it-16294 …expanse/area and depth/volume do not seem closely related…the ‘station’ has not sunk.
A. The world is warming naturally, we’re still coming out of an ice age…
B. We are undoubtedly speeding it along at an ever increasing rate. CO2 in the atmosphere has no choice but to warm the planet. If we put it there, it’s our fault.
C. This is the worst news….There is nothing we can do to stop it!. It’s a train without breaks rolling down a mountain…You can only get out of the way…
Which brings me to the positive news. We can’t stop it, but we can prepare for it. Better levees, better protection against floods, maybe some tornado shelters for those poor people in Oklahoma…Better emergency management, Just assume there will be horrible hurricanes and prepare for them…It’s not that difficult to understand…I was a Boy Scout. “Be Prepared!” It was a good idea then, and it’s a good idea now….
BTW, it’s a Magic Marker in the bear’s hand. (See how old I am?) A felt marker!….Dang, what do you think he wrote the sign with? I just hope he puts the cap back on so it doesn’t dry out…I hate that…Seriously, you think it could be a weapon? A knife? With his/her teeth and claws?
That’s a smart bear. Pretty wiley. snerk.now has anyone seen the recent footage of a bear removing a garbage bin from the rear of a restaurant in Colorado Springs? She made off with the dumpster.
The chart linked (Here is a chart) by ’Baslim the begger" was of great value. I hope that other commenters read it, especially comparing the present with many recent years.
So far, Every climate denying scientist has been sponsored by Big Oil and/or the American Competitive Institute, and has refused to submit their papers for peer review.You remember ACI? The same people who told us there was NOTHING wrong with tobacco products.
“When the ice disappears there is that much less reflective area to be had. So the suns rays are less likely to be absorbed than reflected and it continues in that fashion.”Energy absorbed is generally absorbed as heat. Water can use that heat and convert it to kinetic force. Ice fields reduce absorption, cooling the world. It is presumed that a cold world is the cause of the ice age. But you can’t build those ice fields without heat energy to move the water. Thermodynamics would say that a warm world builds glaciers, which then cause the world to become cold and bring about an ice age. This cuts off the source of the water for building glaciers, which then recede, allowing the world to warm again. Any climate science that contradicts the laws of thermodynamics and presumes free energy to build continental glaciers has a glaring error.
Yes, and the ice floe that broke off and had a couple of groups of people trapped for a days or two was so big that the two groups didn’t know about each other.
wrwallaceii over 11 years ago
Living cost are higher the farther south you go… Adapt and adjust or not… or go extinct… you won’t be the first or the last.
pouncingtiger over 11 years ago
Show today’s comic to any far right and or headstrong Republicans that you know.
Superfrog over 11 years ago
His position is about to be polarized.
Aussie Down Under over 11 years ago
The only thing heating up is the cost of electricity and gas.
Aussie Down Under over 11 years ago
When I said gas I meant natural gas not petrol. Now petrol is finally on the downward monthly cycle from 1.63c per litre. It’s funny how petrol is dear because the Australian dollar was high and even dearer now the dollar has fallen.
Varnes over 11 years ago
I agree with the bear…But some people look at the world through polarized rose colored glasses….BTW, not one Bear Mark It joke? Come on people!
Varnes over 11 years ago
And then the bear drew a mustache on the guy and ran away cackling…..Anyway thanks for the bear Wiley…You make life …..um,…… line please…..
Ida No over 11 years ago
Bears! Eating stockbrokers! Yay!
Secprof over 11 years ago
It’s entertaining to read the uninformed comments from the folks who deny global warming. They are today’s equivalent of yesterday’s flat-earth society.
watmiwori over 11 years ago
As my non-scientific mind understands it, globalwarming and global colding alternate in cycleslasting millions of years. In other words, climate change has been going on since long before we were here and is likely to continue long after we extinctfy ourselves….
WaitingMan over 11 years ago
So, the hundred year storms coming every year now is a normal weather pattern?
Secprof over 11 years ago
Please excuse the following long entry:The Earth has warmed about 12 degrees since the bottom of the last ice age approx. 15 thousand years ago, Roughly one degree per thousand years. That’s part of the natural cycle, but about 1 1/2 degrees of that warming has occurred in the last 200 years – a rate of warming 10-15 times faster than the natural rate. That accelerated rate of warming is due to human activity (addition of greenhouse gases to the atmosphere, alteration of the land surface, etc).
Not sure where Nabuqud. (first entry) gets his “facts”, but his statement (“record lows across entire continents for months at a time”) is a fantasy unless he is talking about Europe and Asia in the mid 1500s.
Consider these facts: … NASA photos — SATELLITE PHOTOS – of Arctic sea ice from the early 1970s to the present show a general strong trend of decreasing ice cover. … Something like 12 of the warmest years since the mid 1800s have all occurred in the last 15 years (those numbers might not be exactly correct — I’m doing this from memory), but you get the idea. … Average annual temperatures across Alaska have risen 7-12 degrees over the last 30 years. … Global average ocean temperatures have risen a half degree in 30 years. … The sea level is rising (because land ice is melting (especially Greenland) and thermal expansion of warning ocean water). … Heat-loving plants and animals are expanding their ranges northward from the tropics. … Right now most of Asia is experiencing its hottest summer in, I believe, 130 years, and 45% of the U.S. is in drought.
I could go on and on — but the point is, the evidence for warming is overwhelming. Sure, periods of record cold still occur, but record heat is much more frequent and widespread than record cold. Averaged across the entire planet, global temperatures are rising.
Brass Orchid Premium Member over 11 years ago
Global Warming is real, and inevitable. The Miracle Cure of Carbon Remediation is a hoax. The basis for CO2 phobia is ignorance of the laws of thermodynamics. Glaciers are created by heat energy, and exist only where there is sufficient atmospheric water vapor to create and support their existence as a dynamic flow of frozen water imbued with kinetic potential which is heat energy converted to kinetic force by the state change of water to vapor. The glaciers retreated when the snows stopped and the deserts started growing. Our seas are cold and our atmosphere thin, but only for a while. The sun will be darkened and the moon appear like blood. But feel free to panic if it makes you a superior person.
gorbag over 11 years ago
I think it’s clear that human activity is causing issues for the planet. Now the question is, do we use technology to reduce heat (e.g., superconductors to move heat into space) or just reduce the number of humans on the plant causing problems (e.g. launch the progressives into space using a rail gun).
WCLamb over 11 years ago
Tucci’s right…
It’s not “global warning” (climate change) that’s at issue with intelligent people. It’s the effect or influence that mankind has on that natural cycle that’s up for debate. Where the problem lies — is in the manipulation of data by those with an agenda — to somehow profit from the scare tactics they promulgate.
What’s going to happen on planet earth is going to happen, and everything that we do, nominally by sacrificing something we’re accustomed to in order to slow the cycle, has little to no effect. So eat, drink, and be merry. And move to higher ground if you’re worried.
(P.S. Don’t sell your snowblower yet!)
rugeirn over 11 years ago
There are none so blind as those who will not see. The evidence for climate change is all around you. Just open your eyes. The light will only be painful for a few moments.
AAdoglover Premium Member over 11 years ago
People will believe what they without regard to any evidence so I don’t bother engaging in the argument.
DigitalJim over 11 years ago
I suppose the photos of vanishing glaciers are a hax as well?
The Life I Draw Upon over 11 years ago
Wiley you opened the door again. ¢:
avtar123 over 11 years ago
Gee I wonder if they fudged on that gravity thing?
rockngolfer over 11 years ago
The lake at the North Pole is fresh water. Deal with it.
puddlesplatt over 11 years ago
I’m melting…splatt!
sbchamp over 11 years ago
BeggarThorby snickers
JeNagVaz over 11 years ago
What is the bear holding in his paw?
Mark Jackson Premium Member over 11 years ago
The pen he used to write the sign.
jdkingbear over 11 years ago
Like this particular strip .. global warming has seemed to … wait for it …..polarize folks.
dabugger over 11 years ago
go ahead, just can’t bear it
androgenoide over 11 years ago
When climatologists who have studied the planet’s heating and cooling cycles over millions of years tell you that the earth’s temperature has been rising for the past century, arguing with them only makes you look like a crackpot. You may be able to attack the assertion that the rise is tied to the Industrial Revolution but it will take some fancy math to show that there’s some other reason that the numbers line up so well.If you want to dispute the ‘global warming’ trope as it is understood by the public, your best bet is to go for the throat and attack the commercial hype that suggests you can delay or reverse the warming by buying a more expensive car or paying more for less electricity. The weak link is not in the science. It’s in the commercial exploitation of our ignorance.
J Short over 11 years ago
How much we influence the temp is questionable. I believe the climate is changing. I think the main factor is we are wasteful; the other is we have a population of 7+ billion people growing exponentially. Remember in school, the SRA readers; “In the future the vast oceans will feed the people.” Well, we’ve already polluted and depleted them.
NoCents over 11 years ago
Follow the money. File a request to get a grant to disprove GW and you will get laughed at. So, of course it will be “proved”.
Nebulous Premium Member over 11 years ago
While I won’t argue that increased temperatures won’t cause problems, and that reducing fossil fuel use would be good, I must argue that the dinosaurs did quite well for a couple of hundred million years without icecaps. There was plenty of life in the equatorial zones, and in the oceans.
patiodragon over 11 years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq4Bc2WCsdE
Hope the author is willing to do some real fact-checking.
Jack Rodway over 11 years ago
One Volcano eruption wipes out over 5 years of our being Green.
pcolli over 11 years ago
And, lo; on the eight day created he global warming and set all manner of Men against eachother; saying “Whomsoever believeth in truth shall for evermore deliberate the true cause of this conundrum – for I have chosen that Mankind should solve its own problems or thereafter debate forever the solution to the problem.”.In other words, stop debating the issue and start working together to make things better. It ain’t going to get better on its own.
hancel over 11 years ago
Why does the bear need a knife?
rnmontgomery over 11 years ago
To think that human activity is causing global warming is amazing, to think that humans can do anything to reverse a global trend is preposterous. It’s good that the scientists have stopped using “Global Warming” and have switched to “Global Weather Change” because this is natural cycles of solar activity in which we can do NOTHING!!!
Reppr Premium Member over 11 years ago
Rugeirn Drienborough – and yet when the weather is cold we are told that local weather doesn’t matter and proves nothing. It is only global averages that are meaningful but when the local weather is warm or even, heaven forbid, HOT in July of August, it is a serious indicator of global warming.
Grond123 over 11 years ago
The “lake” at the north pole was a melt water pond that was never more than 2’ deep and 150’ across. It sat on top of at least 3’ of ice and disappeared on July 29th. It is a normal part of the arctic climate in the summer when the sun shines 24/7. Today’s headline “North Pole Sees Unprecedented July Cold – Arctic Sees Shortest Summer On Record”, but you won’t hear the global warming cult talking about that.
bobdingus over 11 years ago
Get the facts about global warming, together with supporting data and responses to the ostriches at:http://www.350.orghttp://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php
Caddy57 over 11 years ago
Are we going to play another game of “Al Gore says”? because if we are I wanna know where the cheat sheet is!
Linguist over 11 years ago
Apropos of almost nothing but a remark by Night-Gaunt49 about methane gasses, got me to thinking. Imagine all those huge herds of dinosaurs roaming the earth emitting methane gas. Can you imagine what the world smelled like ?
Brass Orchid Premium Member over 11 years ago
You really don’t get it, do you? The loss of the ice will cause warming. The warming will cause the ice to reappear. The ice will cool the world so much that the source of the ice, water vapor from global heat, is lost by reflection. The ice will recede. The world will warm. If all the cow flatulence and car exhaust adds up to changing the schedule by as much as a year in its multi-millennial cycle, that will still be meaningless to the results achieved. The only difference is that some scammers will live high on the profits of terrorizing the ignorant and superstitious in the meantime.
Janis Harrison over 11 years ago
They’re now using the term “climate change,” which seems a bit more accurate.
Brass Orchid Premium Member over 11 years ago
The present state and borders of the seas is temporary, in geological terms. Without the ice to reflect massive amounts of energy back to space, the world will warm. This means the seas will warm. They will become shallow and very salty and much smaller. There may be contiguous land around the globe, broken by smaller seas, rather than two bodies of water joined at head and tail to form contiguous seas broken by land masses as is indicated in the Piscean pictograph, with very large glaciers pressing down on the poles and an expanded equatorial girth resulting from that redistribution of mass. A few billion 100 Watt bulbs will not make a difference. The system is larger than the sum of humanity and human activity.
Robert C. Premium Member over 11 years ago
The ‘lake’ is gone, (drained through the ice ?) and wasn’t at the ‘North Pole’ anyway: http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/07/29/about-lake-north-pole …and: http://www.climatecentral.org/news/melting-at-north-pole-how-bad-is-it-16294 …expanse/area and depth/volume do not seem closely related…the ‘station’ has not sunk.
Varnes over 11 years ago
Gokie, that’s it! Thanks!
Varnes over 11 years ago
Bad news, good news on climate change…..
A. The world is warming naturally, we’re still coming out of an ice age…
B. We are undoubtedly speeding it along at an ever increasing rate. CO2 in the atmosphere has no choice but to warm the planet. If we put it there, it’s our fault.
C. This is the worst news….There is nothing we can do to stop it!. It’s a train without breaks rolling down a mountain…You can only get out of the way…
Which brings me to the positive news. We can’t stop it, but we can prepare for it. Better levees, better protection against floods, maybe some tornado shelters for those poor people in Oklahoma…Better emergency management, Just assume there will be horrible hurricanes and prepare for them…It’s not that difficult to understand…I was a Boy Scout. “Be Prepared!” It was a good idea then, and it’s a good idea now….
bmwk12ltc over 11 years ago
the lake at the north pole is frozen again. Just saw it was closed on the web cam yesterday after I read that it had closed up again.
H P Hundt Premium Member over 11 years ago
It looks like a marker to me.
Varnes over 11 years ago
BTW, it’s a Magic Marker in the bear’s hand. (See how old I am?) A felt marker!….Dang, what do you think he wrote the sign with? I just hope he puts the cap back on so it doesn’t dry out…I hate that…Seriously, you think it could be a weapon? A knife? With his/her teeth and claws?
Hunter7 over 11 years ago
That’s a smart bear. Pretty wiley. snerk.now has anyone seen the recent footage of a bear removing a garbage bin from the rear of a restaurant in Colorado Springs? She made off with the dumpster.
Maintoc over 11 years ago
One naive/gullible meal, comin’ up.
fogey over 11 years ago
The chart linked (Here is a chart) by ’Baslim the begger" was of great value. I hope that other commenters read it, especially comparing the present with many recent years.
Varnes over 11 years ago
Charlie, watch out for Bear-nadoes…..You know they’re on the way….
Hunter, yup. Saw it. He actually tried to drag away two of them! Only got one….
edward thomas Premium Member over 11 years ago
So far, Every climate denying scientist has been sponsored by Big Oil and/or the American Competitive Institute, and has refused to submit their papers for peer review.You remember ACI? The same people who told us there was NOTHING wrong with tobacco products.
Brass Orchid Premium Member over 11 years ago
“When the ice disappears there is that much less reflective area to be had. So the suns rays are less likely to be absorbed than reflected and it continues in that fashion.”Energy absorbed is generally absorbed as heat. Water can use that heat and convert it to kinetic force. Ice fields reduce absorption, cooling the world. It is presumed that a cold world is the cause of the ice age. But you can’t build those ice fields without heat energy to move the water. Thermodynamics would say that a warm world builds glaciers, which then cause the world to become cold and bring about an ice age. This cuts off the source of the water for building glaciers, which then recede, allowing the world to warm again. Any climate science that contradicts the laws of thermodynamics and presumes free energy to build continental glaciers has a glaring error.
carron over 11 years ago
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
gosfreikempe over 11 years ago
Yes, and the ice floe that broke off and had a couple of groups of people trapped for a days or two was so big that the two groups didn’t know about each other.
deblund512 about 11 years ago
Um, isn’t this sarcasm? The bear has adapted to finding food by fooling climate change den9iers. Irony, people. Not proof that it isn’t true.