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You’re right Janis. In particle physics, when you move back, closer to the “Big Bang”, one is observing chaos, indeed. Which is merely another name for something beyond our comprehension.
Massive oversimplification. “Chaos” in physics doesn’t mean “isn’t predictable at all”. It means there is unpredictability within a (usually well-defined) envelope of possibilities. That is, the reality follows laws of probability instead of simple if-then mechanics.When dealing with individual particles, the probabilities may allow for some surprising observations. But when dealing with aggregations of billions of particles, all those probabilities combine to produce a very highly predictable behavior for that aggregate. Not 100%, but close enough for nearly all purposes.Which is why you may observe individual particles occasionally tunneling through solid matter, but there’s no way you’re ever going to throw a baseball through a brick wall. The probability that all the particles will tunnel at the same time is so low as to effectively be zero.
Knowledge only approximates reality—they are not synonymous. True chaos would be ultimate fragmentation—no wholeness at all. Chaos is nothingness. Something meaningful out of nothing? Materialistic science is re-fashioned Hinduism. Newtonian physics still works. What appears chaotic is only complexity beyond understanding. Commonsensescience.net.
Jèjá vu all over again! This sounds like an argument I had in college religion class in 1952 over order vs chaos. I contended the history of science has been pendulum swings: a theory is advanced to explain things and it is order; someone finds an exception and it is chaos; a explanation is found and it is order; and so on through history. That is why I find science so interesting, always something new.
SpacedInvader Premium Member almost 7 years ago
Wow, Good guess. Next, gravity waves and time.
Sisu60 almost 7 years ago
who would of guessed we would solve quantum physics at 3:15 am
fredd13 almost 7 years ago
I find that strangely attractive.
dwane.scoty1 almost 7 years ago
Solve? Humankind is only capable of speculation; Pure Science is the only Law and only 1% of that is known!
Olddog1 almost 7 years ago
1905-1930 probably had more change for the world than any other quarter century.
jarvisloop almost 7 years ago
Sheldon Cooper, where art thou?
John Smith almost 7 years ago
When did A&J move from the Cartoon Network to the Discovery Channel. Please, let’s go back to our regularly schedule programming.
nosirrom almost 7 years ago
I hear Olivia Newton John singing in the background
Let’s get physics-calc, physics-calc
I want to get physics-calc
Let’s get into physics-calc
Let me hear your boson talk, your boson talk
Let me hear your boson talk
dwane.scoty1 almost 7 years ago
Get Thee to Therapy for the Bizarre!
joedon2007 almost 7 years ago
A bit heavy for an early morning read
Tyge almost 7 years ago
You’re right Janis. In particle physics, when you move back, closer to the “Big Bang”, one is observing chaos, indeed. Which is merely another name for something beyond our comprehension.
Meledosia almost 7 years ago
It did start simply: And God said “Let there be light, and there was light.” Then Adam and Eve screwed up and there has been Chaos ever since.
Teto85 Premium Member almost 7 years ago
Everything’s relative, Janis.
seismic-2 Premium Member almost 7 years ago
“God does not play dice with the universe.” – Albert Einstein
“Stop telling God what to do.” – Niels Bohr, in reply
ARLOS DAD almost 7 years ago
And now my head hurts…….
DDrazen almost 7 years ago
Basically simple but morphing into complexity; sounds to me like he’s describing “family.”
edge2edge almost 7 years ago
I think Jimmy is stringing us along but that is just a theory.
shamino almost 7 years ago
Massive oversimplification. “Chaos” in physics doesn’t mean “isn’t predictable at all”. It means there is unpredictability within a (usually well-defined) envelope of possibilities. That is, the reality follows laws of probability instead of simple if-then mechanics.When dealing with individual particles, the probabilities may allow for some surprising observations. But when dealing with aggregations of billions of particles, all those probabilities combine to produce a very highly predictable behavior for that aggregate. Not 100%, but close enough for nearly all purposes.Which is why you may observe individual particles occasionally tunneling through solid matter, but there’s no way you’re ever going to throw a baseball through a brick wall. The probability that all the particles will tunnel at the same time is so low as to effectively be zero.
jmp.mtbn almost 7 years ago
nature is NOT unpredictable : life goes on until death, this is certain.
RonaldDad Premium Member almost 7 years ago
Knowledge only approximates reality—they are not synonymous. True chaos would be ultimate fragmentation—no wholeness at all. Chaos is nothingness. Something meaningful out of nothing? Materialistic science is re-fashioned Hinduism. Newtonian physics still works. What appears chaotic is only complexity beyond understanding. Commonsensescience.net.
Hippogriff almost 7 years ago
Jèjá vu all over again! This sounds like an argument I had in college religion class in 1952 over order vs chaos. I contended the history of science has been pendulum swings: a theory is advanced to explain things and it is order; someone finds an exception and it is chaos; a explanation is found and it is order; and so on through history. That is why I find science so interesting, always something new.
Kevin Jordan almost 7 years ago
Is this the part where Jeff Goldblum comes and drops some water on Janis’ hand to explain Chaos Theory?
Uncle Bob almost 7 years ago
To heck with entropy, I alw ayss ay!