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Not free stuff. We want to exchange reasonable taxes instead of paying sky-high insurance premiums. We want to get educations, not mortgage our futures away. We want a chance at a decent life. And no, we wonât become Venezuela, which is ironic to hear from a political party thatâs attempting to make us vassals of Soviet Russia.
@pshcearer: What could bring down America as a free country?
The unlimited accumulation of wealth (and therefore political power) by a relative handful of extremely wealthy individuals. Corruption of the political process. Propaganda. Giving control of America to incompetents beholden to a country that resents our prosperity and success, a country that wants to see America degraded, debased, and impotent.
You are right. âWe wonât become Venezuela.â 280 Million guns in the hands of 80 million Americans says you are right.And if you idiots think that means we would turn on our neighbors you are even dumber than one of your Socialist Lib over lords Hank (Guam is sinking) Johnson.
I like to do my own thinking, not bow and grovel before THE STATE".A State that grants itself and its enforcer units absolution for murder. That funnels your taxes back to the folks that line the campaign treasure boxes.A state with a propaganda operation CNN (The Commie Nazi Network.) They all lie to you.(See NETWORK Howard Beale) But CNN goes over the top when it comes to deceiving the flock. Like the smear job it did on the children from the school in KY. Like labeling the Gov. (Mr. Infanticide) of VA. with a GREAT BIGÂź when he is a Lib Dem.With the latest evidence coming out regarding Ms. Race card herself Lizzy (Borden (To the truth) Warren lets see how many puff pieces and soft ball questions come her way from CNN and THE VIEW. Better order some more Chap Stick, I can see a load of kissing up on the way. Yesterday during the Patriots âWe Wonâ parade there was mention of the Patriots owner having a yacht. Well there is a Socialist just to the west of Mass (The Peoples Republic of NY) where the DEER LEADER put a provision in the state budget a few years back that lets anyone that is a Yacht (or personal aircraft) buyer pay taxes only on the first $250,000 no matter the cost of the item. I am sure that, that really lessens the burden on the middle class. So I am sure he has your best interests at heart. Hey come over here I have a bridge I want to sell you. After you buy the bridge you can go over it to the zoo with the rainbow unicorns.
Public college is not âsocialism.â Government-owned factories and farms would be socialism. And itâs not âfree stuffâ â we actually ARE taxpayers, you know. We just think public money should be used to benefit the public.
Yeah, I donât know where republicans get this idea that democrats and liberals want stuff for free. Itâs mind-boggling and frankly, insulting. Especially considering how for the past 40 some odd years, republican presidents have consistently lowered taxes and raised government spending, itâs like THEY are expecting free things.
TANSTAAFL â Robert A. Heinlein. You canât have it both ways, Mr. Stantis. The Democrats are usually portrayed by the GOP as the âtax and spendâ party. This as as opposed to the new GOP strategy of âcut taxes on the wealthy and spend more.â So any claim to fiscal responsibility once held by the GOP has been forfeited in spades.
Trumpâs tax plan shot the national debt up to give the rich more money. The national debt is money we owe to China and others. Trumpâs tax plan, was, to put it mildly, a bad idea.
Progressives donât want free stuff. We want to be able to decide how to spend the money we pay in taxes.
Itâs not as simplistic as wanting free stuff. There are things to the public benefit that are more cost effective to pay collectively. Snow clearing, public education, police protectionâŠthough I havenât seen the Conservatives follow through with the âprivate does it betterâ by having Haliburton run the military and OCP (Robocop) the police. Said facetiously.And affordable medical care can also be seen in the public benefit. Speaking also as a Canadian, one who a month following googled what I would have to have paid in America if last Novemberâs car accident happened there.
You know, I donât personally know one of these straw-ostriches you are portraying, however, I know far too many right-wing populists. I say this as a conservative person, who is just interested in the truth. Youâd do better to portray the truth.
Darsan54 Premium Member about 6 years ago
Not free stuff. We want to exchange reasonable taxes instead of paying sky-high insurance premiums. We want to get educations, not mortgage our futures away. We want a chance at a decent life. And no, we wonât become Venezuela, which is ironic to hear from a political party thatâs attempting to make us vassals of Soviet Russia.
Tue Elung-Jensen about 6 years ago
Might be a tad too simplified with âfree stuffâ.
braindead Premium Member about 6 years ago
I absolutely hate it when I have to pay to have streets paved that I never drive on.
And I especially hate having to pay for them schools what other peopleâs kids go to.
And we should auction off all those money wasting National Parks to Disney and other patriotic multi-national corporations.
And why do we even have any public transportation, anyway? Why canât people hire their own limo drivers every day?
pschearer Premium Member about 6 years ago
The excuses being made for socialism here are what will eventually end America as a free country.
piobaire about 6 years ago
@pshcearer: What could bring down America as a free country?
The unlimited accumulation of wealth (and therefore political power) by a relative handful of extremely wealthy individuals. Corruption of the political process. Propaganda. Giving control of America to incompetents beholden to a country that resents our prosperity and success, a country that wants to see America degraded, debased, and impotent.
phlmyr about 6 years ago
You are right. âWe wonât become Venezuela.â 280 Million guns in the hands of 80 million Americans says you are right.And if you idiots think that means we would turn on our neighbors you are even dumber than one of your Socialist Lib over lords Hank (Guam is sinking) Johnson.
I like to do my own thinking, not bow and grovel before THE STATE".A State that grants itself and its enforcer units absolution for murder. That funnels your taxes back to the folks that line the campaign treasure boxes.A state with a propaganda operation CNN (The Commie Nazi Network.) They all lie to you.(See NETWORK Howard Beale) But CNN goes over the top when it comes to deceiving the flock. Like the smear job it did on the children from the school in KY. Like labeling the Gov. (Mr. Infanticide) of VA. with a GREAT BIGÂź when he is a Lib Dem.With the latest evidence coming out regarding Ms. Race card herself Lizzy (Borden (To the truth) Warren lets see how many puff pieces and soft ball questions come her way from CNN and THE VIEW. Better order some more Chap Stick, I can see a load of kissing up on the way. Yesterday during the Patriots âWe Wonâ parade there was mention of the Patriots owner having a yacht. Well there is a Socialist just to the west of Mass (The Peoples Republic of NY) where the DEER LEADER put a provision in the state budget a few years back that lets anyone that is a Yacht (or personal aircraft) buyer pay taxes only on the first $250,000 no matter the cost of the item. I am sure that, that really lessens the burden on the middle class. So I am sure he has your best interests at heart. Hey come over here I have a bridge I want to sell you. After you buy the bridge you can go over it to the zoo with the rainbow unicorns.
Ignatz Premium Member about 6 years ago
Public college is not âsocialism.â Government-owned factories and farms would be socialism. And itâs not âfree stuffâ â we actually ARE taxpayers, you know. We just think public money should be used to benefit the public.
martin_goetz Premium Member about 6 years ago
Yeah, I donât know where republicans get this idea that democrats and liberals want stuff for free. Itâs mind-boggling and frankly, insulting. Especially considering how for the past 40 some odd years, republican presidents have consistently lowered taxes and raised government spending, itâs like THEY are expecting free things.
martens about 6 years ago
A cheap shot from Stantis, and intellectually dishonest.
Holden Awn about 6 years ago
âThe problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peopleâs money.â â Margaret Thatcher.
Bookworm about 6 years ago
TANSTAAFL â Robert A. Heinlein. You canât have it both ways, Mr. Stantis. The Democrats are usually portrayed by the GOP as the âtax and spendâ party. This as as opposed to the new GOP strategy of âcut taxes on the wealthy and spend more.â So any claim to fiscal responsibility once held by the GOP has been forfeited in spades.
Ignatz Premium Member about 6 years ago
âI want free stuff!â
Like thinking that Mexico is going to pay for your wall.
piobaire about 6 years ago
Hereâs a better quote on the subject:
Polonius:
âNeither a borrower nor a lender be,
For loan oft loses both itself and friend,
And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry."
Hamlet Act 1, scene 3, 75â77
Trumpâs tax plan shot the national debt up to give the rich more money. The national debt is money we owe to China and others. Trumpâs tax plan, was, to put it mildly, a bad idea.
Progressives donât want free stuff. We want to be able to decide how to spend the money we pay in taxes.
syzygy47 about 6 years ago
Itâs not as simplistic as wanting free stuff. There are things to the public benefit that are more cost effective to pay collectively. Snow clearing, public education, police protectionâŠthough I havenât seen the Conservatives follow through with the âprivate does it betterâ by having Haliburton run the military and OCP (Robocop) the police. Said facetiously.And affordable medical care can also be seen in the public benefit. Speaking also as a Canadian, one who a month following googled what I would have to have paid in America if last Novemberâs car accident happened there.
rossevrymn about 6 years ago
You know, I donât personally know one of these straw-ostriches you are portraying, however, I know far too many right-wing populists. I say this as a conservative person, who is just interested in the truth. Youâd do better to portray the truth.