Evolution is a myth. 150+ years of scientific research and zero, zip, nada, proof, evidence, or support. That is a failed theory that for some reason people want to cling to.
Maybe it’s just that first comment, but I don’t get what the point of this comic is. The rendering is pretty nice, though, even if the footwork is borrowed from Cheech Wizard.
Revtry, on what planet do you live?
The evidence is overwhelming – except to people who are frightened by the idea for some reason, and whom therefore no amount of proof will ever convince.
Revtry, It’s 150 of people trying to knock down evolution. It still stands high.
I love how religious people think that during the cold war, two world wars, and countless other skirmishes all of the world’s scientist worked together to keep a failed idea afloat just because they hate god.
There is far more proof for evolution than for all of the world’s religions put together.
As much as I love Justin and the Mythtickle realm, it is an injustice to lump together the most ignorant anti-evolution religious nuts along with the growing ranks of scientists, historians, and economists who have genuine evidence and arguments against the dubious claim that man-made global warming is a danger that must be stopped by massive government intrusion into the economy.
Trouble is too much of the proof has been corrupted or squeezed. If you look at a chart of human evolution sometime, take a good look at the dates. Some of the “precursors” to man have dates out of keeping with the time they were supposed to exist. In fact one of them lived and died before it’s “Ancestor” in the tree of man. Evolution has a lot to recommend it but get the facts straight, it’s still called the Theory of evolution.
Four thoughts, in any other field of human science falsifying data is a horrible crime. Darwin himself could never answer the question: “If all life on earth evolved from a single cell, how complex would that cell have to be to explain the diversity of life?” nor has anyone else since him answered it. The Bible gives us no clue as to how long the earth has existed. Genesis speaks of the heavens and earth being created in one day and then says “One Day” not “The Next Day” when talking of the creation of man. Finally, there is not any scientific inaccuracy in the bible, despite the highly inaccurate ideas of the time periods it was written, andif you check some of the dates where events are described, you realize they were written centuries before those events (example: the fall of Jerusalem is recorded in the Dead Sea Scrolls which predate that fall by over 400 years).
Alright, but apart from the aquaduct,
Democracy
Public Safety (Health, Fire, Police)
Centers for Disease Control
Medicare
Disaster Relief (Except for Brownie!)
Veterans Affairs
National Defense
FDA
FAA
EPA
FTC and
NASA ,…
WHAT have the Romans ever done for US?
Evolution is a myth. 150+ years of scientific research and zero, zip, nada, proof, evidence, or support. That is a failed theory that for some reason people want to cling to.
iamtxmilady said,
Uh, guys, this is a COMIC STRIP, not theology 101.
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If this is the focus of Justin’s extended story line (see yesterday) expect alot of this kind of discussion.
Orgelspieler said,
Don’t rassle with pigs. The pigs enjoy it, and you’ll just git covered with “bleeep”.
—-
The phrase you’re looking for is ‘pig by-products’.
I am always amazed that with all the beauties and mysteries of life people try to explain it with theories and religion. I think the difficulty comes from both sides. There are some on the side of science who feel that if science can explain a thing this proves God does not exist. This is wrong. And there are some on the religious side of things who feel that they can understand and explain the actions of God. They are wrong also (and guilty of incredible arrogance). You can no more describe the hows and whys of Gods creation than you can prove or disprove that he exists. There is so much more going on in creation than a job of six days. Why do we try to limit God’s greatness to the weakness of mans understanding? And why can’t people see the hand of God at work in the evidence of science and technology? Knowing that the hard evidence of science shows an evolutionary process of billions of years only deepens Gods mystery and wonder.
I wonder if the elephants under the planet will catch Boody with their trunks! If not, I hope he bends his knees and rolls on the tortoise’s shell. Otherwise - well - I’m just not sure where he will wind up. Now THERE is an adventure!
Don’t worry, the storyline isn’t about newspapers, evolution, or making anyone angry. There might be a mention in tomorrow’s strip that could continue this stuff, but that’s really not the point of the story. It’s ust a catalyst to begin the adventure which, I promise, is fun and silly.
It’s never my intention to make anyone feel defensive, I am working from the understanding that this is just a comic strip. I will continue to assume that it will be taken that way.
Diesm was extremely popular during the Age of Enlightenment. With this in mind, the idea that humankind has been gifted with the ability to expand their own understanding of the world around them and control their own destiny is hugely important in both scientific and religous advances. Still I find it highly foolish for any human who believes there is an all powerful God who only limits his power into human terms like days. While it is easy to think of God creating the world in one day and the remainder of the earthly elements in the following days, does God really work in limited time? Time was not created before God, so is it possible that the time limitations were only imposed on humanity to establish the magnitude of God’s power? If we are to assume the both the Bible and scientific discoveries are correct while claiming there is a God, it would be impossible to assume the dates within the Bible and the natural world would agree… This leaves only one conclusion, neither one is incorrect, but the ability of humanity to understand and record history before humanit existed is potentially failable. Isn’t it also heretical to assume humanity can fully understand the complexity and power of God? The problem then is how literal do we want to interpret a human constructed document that has been modified over thousands of years depending on translations, religous bias, and political developments. I would side on the diest approach, something larger than us had a role in aiding and nurturing our inital development, but it is up to us now to use the inate power within to try to understand our world and use that knowlege to improve our society.
Kerovan, the Bible claims the sun stood still in the sky. It has never done that anywhere ever, and it is also a false description of how the relationship between the sun and Earth works. The Earth moves around the sun, so the sun cannot stand still. This is a scientific inaccuracy in the Bible, so your statement there is patently false. Second, you have NO idea what the evolutionary record shows if you think it has falsified data. You who would lie about the contents of your holy book cannot be trusted to discuss evolution. Good day, sir.
Sigh.
@ pschearer: The ranks that are growing (re global warming) are all on the other side.
@ Kerovan: “…it’s still called the Theory of evolution.” Aargh. I knew somebody was going to say this. Somebody always says this. “It’s ‘just’ a theory.”
Scientists (when they’re being precise in their communication) use the word “theory” differently from how laypersons use it. Laypersons think it means the same as “hypothesis”; it does not. Think of it this way: a hypothesis is an embryonic theory; a theory is a grown-up hypothesis. In other words, a theory began life as a hypothesis AND SURVIVED TESTING to the point of being adequately PROVEN. A theory is a concept that has surmounted all legitimate challenges. When new FACTS are discovered, sometimes theories must be revised. In one and a half centuries since the publication of On the Origin of Species, Darwin’s and Wallace’s basic insight has been tinkered with, modified, refined, and modernized. Their version was a Model T whereas the modern version is a Beamer M3. But they’re both CARS, as opposed to horse-and-buggy rigs. In those same 150 years, EVERY piece of evidence that has been dug up has only served to confirm and improve, not to overthrow, the original concept.
But scientists have nobody but themselves to blame for the fact that laypersons don’t understand this crucial difference between a hypothesis and a theory, since scientists themselves are often careless in their use of the terms. I herewith slap their hands for that.
In short, the “theory” of evolution is precisely as “theoretical” as the “theory” of gravity. If you wish to challenge the theory of evolution, I suggest that you first challenge the theory of gravity; the experiment is far easier. Go up to the roof. Step off. Good luck.
@ et2000: …But it’s very difficult to argue, in the large, that government is bad and any idea put forward by a government is bad. … Just because an issue is complex doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
THANK you. (For your “complex” I usually say “scary”, because it seems to me that that is frequently a large part of the problem.)
@ Orgenspieler: Good advice, and I usually follow it; but sometimes one has to stand up and defend reason.
@ Dypak: “…Why do we try to limit God’s greatness to the weakness of mans understanding? And why can’t people see the hand of God at work in the evidence of science and technology? Knowing that the hard evidence of science shows an evolutionary process of billions of years only deepens Gods mystery and wonder.”
And thank YOU.
@ jestrfyl: Terry Pratchett ref FTW! :-D
@ Justin: “…this is just a comic strip. I will continue to assume that it will be taken that way.”
Yeah, good luck with that. :-D (Hey, I didn’t start it!)
@ Saskfan: The NRA is not – yet – the government. Although they think they should be. ;-)
@ dwalbeck: “…The problem then is how literal do we want to interpret a human constructed document that has been modified over thousands of years depending on translations, religous bias, and political developments….”
Yay.
@Blue Raven: “…Second, you have NO idea what the evolutionary record shows if you think it has falsified data…..”
Hallelujah! Thanks.
Wow. I started out really depressed. But some of the later comments have heartened me considerably.
Kerovan said,
Evolution has a lot to recommend it but get the facts straight, it’s still called the Theory of evolution.
Gravity has a lot to recommend it, but get the facts straight, it’s still called the Theory of Gravity.
Yes, there are inconsistencies in both the timeline and the family tree of the Hominids, but if they already knew everything about it, they wouldn’t need to study anymore.
Consider also that there are dinosaur bone beds with more specimens of a single species of dinosaur than there are specimens of all species of Hominids.
(other than Homo sapiens, that is.)
Taking a cue from 4deerinheryard:
@ dwalbek - “Isn’t it also heretical to assume humanity can fully understand the complexity and power of God?” I agree 100% I think the biggest problem with religion is when people try to understand God, rather than just accept and have faith.
@4deerinheryard - Thanks. And thanks for also noticing jestrfyl’s Pratchett reference. My avatar is supposed to be Sam Vimes. If I were to chose at hero from literature, even at my age, it would be Commander Vimes. “That is not my cow!”
@ rricchhterr - I always try to look at God as children look at their parents. Little children often wonder why their parents allow bad things to happen, they don’t understand life. It is the same way with God and bad things. I guess if there was no evil in the world we could not appreciate goodness and kindness, we would take it for granted. God has to allow evil in the world so that we can choose to be good? I don’t know. Like a child, I don’t understand. But it doesnt stop me from trying to do good.
@Justin - Sorry man, Life of Brian was AFTER my time. I’m a Holy Grail man, myself. “Help, help, I’m being oppressed!” We’re all glad you’re back, hope you had a great time at the convention!
Excuse me but am I the only one who sees the dichotomy of a mythical creature defending the scientific concept of creation to a talking beer can who consorts with an evil spider and one side of a bipolar (the nice side) spirit of luck?
Not by himself. Ginnungagap, the icy void, existed before all. But the heat from fiery Muspelheim met the frosty vapor from frozen Niffleheim, and ice melted drop by drop to refreeze in the forms of Ymir, the first Frost Giant, and Audhumbla (sp?), the First Cow. Audhumbla licked the shape of Buri, the First Man, out of the ice. Odin was Buri’s grandson. He and his brothers Vili and Ve together slew Ymir and created Midgard out of his corpse.
revtry almost 15 years ago
Evolution is a myth. 150+ years of scientific research and zero, zip, nada, proof, evidence, or support. That is a failed theory that for some reason people want to cling to.
farren almost 15 years ago
That’s the most ignorant statement about evolution I think I’ve ever seen.
jumbobrain almost 15 years ago
Maybe it’s just that first comment, but I don’t get what the point of this comic is. The rendering is pretty nice, though, even if the footwork is borrowed from Cheech Wizard.
wndrwrthg almost 15 years ago
Well, if we are to speak of myths, all the worlds religions fall in that category.
Sisyphos almost 15 years ago
Poor Booty! Such a believer in paying attention to the newspaper that he missed Dudley’s red flag! –With three exclamation-points!
4deerinmyyard almost 15 years ago
Revtry, on what planet do you live? The evidence is overwhelming – except to people who are frightened by the idea for some reason, and whom therefore no amount of proof will ever convince.
Hugh B. Hayve almost 15 years ago
ROFLMAO! Boody just got punned by the comic strip!
shadowwriter almost 15 years ago
not again with millions of idiots all arguing please.
RussellNash almost 15 years ago
Revtry, It’s 150 of people trying to knock down evolution. It still stands high.
I love how religious people think that during the cold war, two world wars, and countless other skirmishes all of the world’s scientist worked together to keep a failed idea afloat just because they hate god.
There is far more proof for evolution than for all of the world’s religions put together.
pschearer Premium Member almost 15 years ago
As much as I love Justin and the Mythtickle realm, it is an injustice to lump together the most ignorant anti-evolution religious nuts along with the growing ranks of scientists, historians, and economists who have genuine evidence and arguments against the dubious claim that man-made global warming is a danger that must be stopped by massive government intrusion into the economy.
lewisbower almost 15 years ago
Son, always remember, you can trust the government
Nebulous Premium Member almost 15 years ago
I always trust the government… . To @#$% things up.
Forget carbon dating, there are tree ring sequences that go back much more than the 6000 years that the Short Time Creationists believe.
Kerovan almost 15 years ago
Trouble is too much of the proof has been corrupted or squeezed. If you look at a chart of human evolution sometime, take a good look at the dates. Some of the “precursors” to man have dates out of keeping with the time they were supposed to exist. In fact one of them lived and died before it’s “Ancestor” in the tree of man. Evolution has a lot to recommend it but get the facts straight, it’s still called the Theory of evolution.
Four thoughts, in any other field of human science falsifying data is a horrible crime. Darwin himself could never answer the question: “If all life on earth evolved from a single cell, how complex would that cell have to be to explain the diversity of life?” nor has anyone else since him answered it. The Bible gives us no clue as to how long the earth has existed. Genesis speaks of the heavens and earth being created in one day and then says “One Day” not “The Next Day” when talking of the creation of man. Finally, there is not any scientific inaccuracy in the bible, despite the highly inaccurate ideas of the time periods it was written, andif you check some of the dates where events are described, you realize they were written centuries before those events (example: the fall of Jerusalem is recorded in the Dead Sea Scrolls which predate that fall by over 400 years).
Donna Haag almost 15 years ago
Uh, guys, this is a COMIC STRIP, not theology 101.
ChiehHsia almost 15 years ago
Don’t rassle with pigs. The pigs enjoy it, and you’ll just git covered with “bleeep”.
Justjoust Premium Member almost 15 years ago
Alright, but apart from the aquaduct, Democracy Public Safety (Health, Fire, Police) Centers for Disease Control Medicare Disaster Relief (Except for Brownie!) Veterans Affairs National Defense FDA FAA EPA FTC and NASA ,… WHAT have the Romans ever done for US?
;)
someone_different almost 15 years ago
revtry said, about 9 hours ago
Evolution is a myth. 150+ years of scientific research and zero, zip, nada, proof, evidence, or support. That is a failed theory that for some reason people want to cling to.
Seems to me you just proved your own point
reocare almost 15 years ago
ok all back to the comic strip…..seriously? haha (I liked) bye bye
Durak Premium Member almost 15 years ago
iamtxmilady said, Uh, guys, this is a COMIC STRIP, not theology 101. —- If this is the focus of Justin’s extended story line (see yesterday) expect alot of this kind of discussion.
Orgelspieler said, Don’t rassle with pigs. The pigs enjoy it, and you’ll just git covered with “bleeep”. —- The phrase you’re looking for is ‘pig by-products’.
I am always amazed that with all the beauties and mysteries of life people try to explain it with theories and religion. I think the difficulty comes from both sides. There are some on the side of science who feel that if science can explain a thing this proves God does not exist. This is wrong. And there are some on the religious side of things who feel that they can understand and explain the actions of God. They are wrong also (and guilty of incredible arrogance). You can no more describe the hows and whys of Gods creation than you can prove or disprove that he exists. There is so much more going on in creation than a job of six days. Why do we try to limit God’s greatness to the weakness of mans understanding? And why can’t people see the hand of God at work in the evidence of science and technology? Knowing that the hard evidence of science shows an evolutionary process of billions of years only deepens Gods mystery and wonder.
jestrfyl almost 15 years ago
I wonder if the elephants under the planet will catch Boody with their trunks! If not, I hope he bends his knees and rolls on the tortoise’s shell. Otherwise - well - I’m just not sure where he will wind up. Now THERE is an adventure!
Justjoust Premium Member almost 15 years ago
Don’t worry, the storyline isn’t about newspapers, evolution, or making anyone angry. There might be a mention in tomorrow’s strip that could continue this stuff, but that’s really not the point of the story. It’s ust a catalyst to begin the adventure which, I promise, is fun and silly. It’s never my intention to make anyone feel defensive, I am working from the understanding that this is just a comic strip. I will continue to assume that it will be taken that way.
gosfreikempe almost 15 years ago
et2008: you forgot the NRA.
Changing identities as I run and hide from the rulers of the universe…
3lizab3th almost 15 years ago
My theroy is that if evolution is real, I’ll die before I can evolve.
So brush your teeth three times a day. Eat candy. Be happy.
My theory is pretty easy to abide by.
dwalbeck almost 15 years ago
Diesm was extremely popular during the Age of Enlightenment. With this in mind, the idea that humankind has been gifted with the ability to expand their own understanding of the world around them and control their own destiny is hugely important in both scientific and religous advances. Still I find it highly foolish for any human who believes there is an all powerful God who only limits his power into human terms like days. While it is easy to think of God creating the world in one day and the remainder of the earthly elements in the following days, does God really work in limited time? Time was not created before God, so is it possible that the time limitations were only imposed on humanity to establish the magnitude of God’s power? If we are to assume the both the Bible and scientific discoveries are correct while claiming there is a God, it would be impossible to assume the dates within the Bible and the natural world would agree… This leaves only one conclusion, neither one is incorrect, but the ability of humanity to understand and record history before humanit existed is potentially failable. Isn’t it also heretical to assume humanity can fully understand the complexity and power of God? The problem then is how literal do we want to interpret a human constructed document that has been modified over thousands of years depending on translations, religous bias, and political developments. I would side on the diest approach, something larger than us had a role in aiding and nurturing our inital development, but it is up to us now to use the inate power within to try to understand our world and use that knowlege to improve our society.
DivasRus almost 15 years ago
Justin asked (rather tongue-in-cheek): “WHAT have the Romans ever done for US?”
… at the very least, I am reminded of the toga, from which we get such wonderful parties!!!
:-D
Dorian almost 15 years ago
RE: Justin’s 1st comment today -
“NOTHIN’!!”
(hahahaha!)
Justjoust Premium Member almost 15 years ago
That was a line from ‘Life of Brian’. Am I that old? Have I outgrown my audience?
BlueRaven almost 15 years ago
Kerovan, the Bible claims the sun stood still in the sky. It has never done that anywhere ever, and it is also a false description of how the relationship between the sun and Earth works. The Earth moves around the sun, so the sun cannot stand still. This is a scientific inaccuracy in the Bible, so your statement there is patently false. Second, you have NO idea what the evolutionary record shows if you think it has falsified data. You who would lie about the contents of your holy book cannot be trusted to discuss evolution. Good day, sir.
4deerinmyyard almost 15 years ago
Sigh. @ pschearer: The ranks that are growing (re global warming) are all on the other side. @ Kerovan: “…it’s still called the Theory of evolution.” Aargh. I knew somebody was going to say this. Somebody always says this. “It’s ‘just’ a theory.” Scientists (when they’re being precise in their communication) use the word “theory” differently from how laypersons use it. Laypersons think it means the same as “hypothesis”; it does not. Think of it this way: a hypothesis is an embryonic theory; a theory is a grown-up hypothesis. In other words, a theory began life as a hypothesis AND SURVIVED TESTING to the point of being adequately PROVEN. A theory is a concept that has surmounted all legitimate challenges. When new FACTS are discovered, sometimes theories must be revised. In one and a half centuries since the publication of On the Origin of Species, Darwin’s and Wallace’s basic insight has been tinkered with, modified, refined, and modernized. Their version was a Model T whereas the modern version is a Beamer M3. But they’re both CARS, as opposed to horse-and-buggy rigs. In those same 150 years, EVERY piece of evidence that has been dug up has only served to confirm and improve, not to overthrow, the original concept. But scientists have nobody but themselves to blame for the fact that laypersons don’t understand this crucial difference between a hypothesis and a theory, since scientists themselves are often careless in their use of the terms. I herewith slap their hands for that. In short, the “theory” of evolution is precisely as “theoretical” as the “theory” of gravity. If you wish to challenge the theory of evolution, I suggest that you first challenge the theory of gravity; the experiment is far easier. Go up to the roof. Step off. Good luck. @ et2000: …But it’s very difficult to argue, in the large, that government is bad and any idea put forward by a government is bad. … Just because an issue is complex doesn’t mean it’s wrong. THANK you. (For your “complex” I usually say “scary”, because it seems to me that that is frequently a large part of the problem.) @ Orgenspieler: Good advice, and I usually follow it; but sometimes one has to stand up and defend reason. @ Dypak: “…Why do we try to limit God’s greatness to the weakness of mans understanding? And why can’t people see the hand of God at work in the evidence of science and technology? Knowing that the hard evidence of science shows an evolutionary process of billions of years only deepens Gods mystery and wonder.” And thank YOU. @ jestrfyl: Terry Pratchett ref FTW! :-D @ Justin: “…this is just a comic strip. I will continue to assume that it will be taken that way.” Yeah, good luck with that. :-D (Hey, I didn’t start it!) @ Saskfan: The NRA is not – yet – the government. Although they think they should be. ;-) @ dwalbeck: “…The problem then is how literal do we want to interpret a human constructed document that has been modified over thousands of years depending on translations, religous bias, and political developments….” Yay. @Blue Raven: “…Second, you have NO idea what the evolutionary record shows if you think it has falsified data…..” Hallelujah! Thanks.
Wow. I started out really depressed. But some of the later comments have heartened me considerably.
JP Steve Premium Member almost 15 years ago
Agreed 4deer – your comments in particular!
KalahariNight almost 15 years ago
@Justin, if this is the setup, I eagerly await the story :-)
Would it be ok with you if this panel got shown once in, oh, say, in the middle of a Geology 102 lecture? (With proper and emphatic credit of course!)
KalahariNight almost 15 years ago
PS: @Justin, no, you certainly have not outgrown your audience. Always look on the bright side of life :-)
Nebulous Premium Member almost 15 years ago
Kerovan said, Evolution has a lot to recommend it but get the facts straight, it’s still called the Theory of evolution.
Gravity has a lot to recommend it, but get the facts straight, it’s still called the Theory of Gravity.
Yes, there are inconsistencies in both the timeline and the family tree of the Hominids, but if they already knew everything about it, they wouldn’t need to study anymore.
Consider also that there are dinosaur bone beds with more specimens of a single species of dinosaur than there are specimens of all species of Hominids. (other than Homo sapiens, that is.)
Durak Premium Member almost 15 years ago
Taking a cue from 4deerinheryard: @ dwalbek - “Isn’t it also heretical to assume humanity can fully understand the complexity and power of God?” I agree 100% I think the biggest problem with religion is when people try to understand God, rather than just accept and have faith.
@4deerinheryard - Thanks. And thanks for also noticing jestrfyl’s Pratchett reference. My avatar is supposed to be Sam Vimes. If I were to chose at hero from literature, even at my age, it would be Commander Vimes. “That is not my cow!”
@ rricchhterr - I always try to look at God as children look at their parents. Little children often wonder why their parents allow bad things to happen, they don’t understand life. It is the same way with God and bad things. I guess if there was no evil in the world we could not appreciate goodness and kindness, we would take it for granted. God has to allow evil in the world so that we can choose to be good? I don’t know. Like a child, I don’t understand. But it doesnt stop me from trying to do good.
@Justin - Sorry man, Life of Brian was AFTER my time. I’m a Holy Grail man, myself. “Help, help, I’m being oppressed!” We’re all glad you’re back, hope you had a great time at the convention!
Durak Premium Member almost 15 years ago
What scares me are the ones who really don’t care what they do. Talk about the nature of evil.
allanbrown almost 15 years ago
Excuse me but am I the only one who sees the dichotomy of a mythical creature defending the scientific concept of creation to a talking beer can who consorts with an evil spider and one side of a bipolar (the nice side) spirit of luck?
allanbrown almost 15 years ago
Another thought
why all the SOTU comments when we know that Thor’s daddy Odin created the world anyway???
4deerinmyyard almost 15 years ago
Not by himself. Ginnungagap, the icy void, existed before all. But the heat from fiery Muspelheim met the frosty vapor from frozen Niffleheim, and ice melted drop by drop to refreeze in the forms of Ymir, the first Frost Giant, and Audhumbla (sp?), the First Cow. Audhumbla licked the shape of Buri, the First Man, out of the ice. Odin was Buri’s grandson. He and his brothers Vili and Ve together slew Ymir and created Midgard out of his corpse.
Good-night, everybody.