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Ack, ack, ack! I cannot believe this bleeep story has taken ten weeks to unfold, and that the unfolding has been all dialog, no action and not even very interesting art. Frowny Tracy is a new twist, but Iâd be frowning too if my comic strip were this bad.
Soooo, you get released early if you return the money that you made out of illegal weapon dealings?
Wow - all criminals must move to the DT country because as soon as you get caught you just return your earnings up to date and then continue with your business.
I donât know why, but to my surprise the story line has actually gotten worse!
A former captain of industry wouldnât use words like âsquealedâ and âcopper,â and he canât have picked up those terms in prison, because criminals donât talk like that either.
Why is this clown helping to violate his 5th ammendment rights in front of a tentful of cops, a fed, and the entire Naperville SWAT Team? Chances are that Tracy is too dumb to âsmoke him outâ and theyâd all go home for the evening. This guy might just be Tracyâs intellectual equal!
Iâve stayed out of the âLocher must go!â debates up to now, but seriously, something has to be done here. I canât imagine a detective this bad getting to be a detective in the first place much less being allowed to keep his job.
At least the storyâs moving forward. It might be going to Mount Stupidity from Contrived Plotville and back again, but at least itâs moving!
I canât believe Iâm about to spontaniously combust with joy because the plotâs going somewhere - probably to kindergarten - but still!
What would make this really exciting now would be for Dick Tracy to get critically wounded, then fight for his life by strangling visions in his dream⌠like his current writer for example
Thanks for the valuable information you provided. Something I really enjoy about your posts is the fact that you usually add relevant numbers and references that help very accurately to understand the point.
I am not surprised about the the 86% rejection since the beginning of the Killian period (that I have not read) - but I had no idea it was such a BIG drop in readership.
As you say, âYou CAN help a man who has made a wrong turn and wants better. You CANâT help someone who is determined, stubornly, to continue doing the same NONSENSE and would rather go down in FLAMES (the whole world in wrong) as HE is right !â - and I agree absolutely!
However, I think the problem is that he is mostly an artist (probably feeling old and tired now) and you need a certain mind framework to plan and strucuture a story. Jim Brozman arrival has even worsened the situation, as I think the art is now embarassingly bad.
Thank you for the information about the âKillian yearsâ - I really had no idea so, the disappearence of the classic grotesques was his idea⌠and probably the removal of the âchase sequenceâ started paving the way to the non-action of todayâs strip?
Even after working with him, being involved in a court case with him⌠Ringo didnât recognize Pops through the clown make-up.
He didnât recognize the voice either.
RELEASED EARLY ?
For agreeing to - RETURN MONEY ?? WHICH MONEY ?
MORE DISTORTION ! NONSENSE ! JUST LOCHER BUNKUM !
No money was ever stolen ! The crime was attempting to illegally ship hi-tech weaponry to South America (9-05-09) whicn the FBI intercepted.
Does Locher manufacture these distortions deliberately OR is the mind in âslipperyâ mode, plum forgetting the factual base he laid out two weeks ago ?
Whatever, itâs not burnishing his reputation as a competent writer.
The money came from customers in South America who were buying the weapons. So he was released from prison⌠early⌠for refunding money to foreigners who boughtâŚ
I was wondering where my sonâs lemonade stand sign went until I just noticed it is the OâConnell Circus sign.
Seriously, has anybody under, letâs say 100 years old ever went to a circus with a sign like that?
The ending will be that Tracy removes his hand quickly only to be shot 42 times by a six shooter. As he lies dead, his hand opens to reveal not a gun, but a picture of Gould with RIP in bold letters on the bottom. Ala, Gran Torino.
Roberto,
Let me not leave the impression that Kilian and Locher never produced some good Dick Tracy work, or some top rate villains. For example they had No Face (â93), Dab Stract (original version -â95), Smirk (â01), Snails (â01) and Beau Tox â02). Add to that several passable creations. But 40% were so weak they smacked of âno real creative effortâ (a sort of, âany old thingâ will doâ) and were never of a quality to be in Dick Tracy.
In this respect, todayâs Clown face is (in my cynical view), effectively Locher taking a âcreative holidayâ. Nice dodge if you can do it. âTimeâ, and the debilitating effect of TWO jobs !
Locher IS (was?) highly gifted in villan designs, WHEN he put his âmind and focusâ to it. His real strength ! Problem is he had too many time consuming interests including his Political cartoons, where he made his professional mark. But these also served as distactions away from the full focus needed for Dick Tracy. TMS restrictions never made the job easier and some will make out, THAT was the whole problem. NOT so ! Collins had to work with similar reigns but was flexible enough to work well around them.
Chet Gouldâs writing format was consistently - Early Crime, Chase and Capture ! Kilian never grasped that formula. His 12 week stories were (usually) â build a story platform for eight to nine weeks, have a crime, a one week chase then capture or death. The heart of Gouldâs stories lay in a long CHASE sequences. movement, narrow escapes, changing visual scenery (often out in the country-side), gripping death traps. Kilianâs stories never had that visual variety or propelling physical action.
Locher who had the advantage of working with, and seeing how both Gould and Collins structured their stories, chose instead, to pattern his own writing style after the worst writer of the three - Mike Kilian. And we now see it all culminating in a peak of dullness in the current Circus story. And this one is special, itâs further embellished with Locherâs unique âpackageâ of careless contradictions.
Iâll leave with a quote from Kilian on his initial thinking and approach â
âWe have deliberately inserted some âextremely serious themesâ into the program ⌠hate crimes âŚ. frightening car jacking âŚ. but didnât think we could approach the story as something cute and colorful. So the old style villains had to take a back seat on that oneâ
That was the passage that implied he was writing an Editorial, and not a comic strip for entertainment. His first two stories were all that, AND thatâs when the ârotâ set in.
von Drake, sorry to disagree with you but itâs standard practice in many police departments for officers and detectives to carry their weapons while off duty. As much bad as there is going on in the strip, this really isnât a slip-up.
And just to show that in addition to crappy art and writing the strip is rife with conventional errors any editor two weeks out of junior high school should be catching: there should not be a comma between âhigh-techâ and âweaponsâ in panel one. You only need a comma if thereâs more than one adjective modifying a noun.
So this entire circus (ringmaster, clown, and trapeze artist) is made up of people who arenât really circus people? I wonder what crime the lion tamer was involved in before he ran away and joined the circusâŚ
Pops the Clown couldnât have returned the money if he wanted to. Most of the money would have gone to either the weapons manufacturers or to the âfencesâ, and the most that Pops could have returned would be what he made from the sales commission. (I say âfencesâ, because if the weapons were stolen, I doubt that Pops could have pulled that off by himself.)
As someone else has already pointed out, to whom would he return the money? If he returned it to the countries that bought the weapons, then these countries would now have both the weapons and their money. Not a bad deal for them at all.
Even if the weapons were stolen, this isnât just an issue of simple thievery that can be resolved by returning the money. Selling weapons to foreign countries is a pretty big deal. Itâs an especially big deal if the weapons are sold to countries with whom weâre at war. (Can you say, âTreasonâ.)
Apart from the money angleâŚ
The timeline of this story doesnât make any sense at all. Agent Ennen couldnât have arrived until at least a day or two after the shooting. Does this mean that Tracy has been spending days and nights in the circus ring, without a break to eat, sleep, or to use the bathroom?
What happened to the audience. Did they all go home, or are they still there? If theyâre still there, Pops is rather foolish to pull his six gun on our intrepid heroes. He might be able to finish them off, but thereâs no way heâs be able to deal with the whole crowd.
Tent within a tentâŚ
Maybe Pops just carries the inner tent around with him whenever heâs trying to sneak up on people.
ConclusionâŚ
As we keep saying, this is an extremely poorly-written strip. Our only hope is for TMS to hire a new writing team. But, that probably wonât happen, since it sounds like Locher and Brozman are probably working for peanuts. A decent writing team probably wouldnât want to work for that kind of money.
Donnie - Lets make a suggestion. There are many who post on this site that would write the story for FREE. Iâm not sure what level of decent you want, but I think we could at least manage better than what weâve been getting. I really want to like DT, I do. It could be so much fun. Instead it is nearly insulting to any reader with an intellectual age of 8 or better.
Good impression for the kids. Do a crime, become a felon, go to the Big House, and pay your way back out on the street. Not exactly good to teach the kiddies. However, if it all happened in Illinois, and Blago was the guv, wellâŚâŚ.
So also, if the FBI agent knew some of the circus people werenât who they said they were, why wouldnât she also say âHey, the clown is the guy who swore vengeance on the ringmaster,â and just arrest him instead of coming in and joining the conversation for a few weeks till the clown pulled a gun?
The only entertainment value this comic seems to have is the opportunity to extrapolate on its many failings.
All this excitement âcause somethingâs finally happening is just like what happens when you watch a Grateful Dead show or a baseball game:
You sit there for what feels like a lifetime, bored to tears, and then finally Mickey Hart begins a drum solo or somebody hits a home run, and youâre in such a state of shock that SOMETHINGâS ACTUALLY HAPPENING that you stand up and start cheering.
jumbobrain over 15 years ago
Ack, ack, ack! I cannot believe this bleeep story has taken ten weeks to unfold, and that the unfolding has been all dialog, no action and not even very interesting art. Frowny Tracy is a new twist, but Iâd be frowning too if my comic strip were this bad.
margueritem over 15 years ago
Ho hum, y a w nâŚâŚ.
achtungkitten over 15 years ago
How is Tracy supposed to hand over his gun without reaching for it? Telekinesis?
Ronshua over 15 years ago
Smoking or smoldering them out ?
watcha over 15 years ago
Soooo, you get released early if you return the money that you made out of illegal weapon dealings? Wow - all criminals must move to the DT country because as soon as you get caught you just return your earnings up to date and then continue with your business.
I donât know why, but to my surprise the story line has actually gotten worse!
FLIGHT SUIT over 15 years ago
A former captain of industry wouldnât use words like âsquealedâ and âcopper,â and he canât have picked up those terms in prison, because criminals donât talk like that either.
Morrow Cummings over 15 years ago
Why is this clown helping to violate his 5th ammendment rights in front of a tentful of cops, a fed, and the entire Naperville SWAT Team? Chances are that Tracy is too dumb to âsmoke him outâ and theyâd all go home for the evening. This guy might just be Tracyâs intellectual equal!
mjmsprt40 over 15 years ago
Iâve stayed out of the âLocher must go!â debates up to now, but seriously, something has to be done here. I canât imagine a detective this bad getting to be a detective in the first place much less being allowed to keep his job.
Elexia over 15 years ago
At least the storyâs moving forward. It might be going to Mount Stupidity from Contrived Plotville and back again, but at least itâs moving!
I canât believe Iâm about to spontaniously combust with joy because the plotâs going somewhere - probably to kindergarten - but still!
What would make this really exciting now would be for Dick Tracy to get critically wounded, then fight for his life by strangling visions in his dream⌠like his current writer for example
Fearless_Fosdick over 15 years ago
And Louise was killed becauseâŚâŚ?
roberto.alves over 15 years ago
Sydney,
Thanks for the valuable information you provided. Something I really enjoy about your posts is the fact that you usually add relevant numbers and references that help very accurately to understand the point.
I am not surprised about the the 86% rejection since the beginning of the Killian period (that I have not read) - but I had no idea it was such a BIG drop in readership.
As you say, âYou CAN help a man who has made a wrong turn and wants better. You CANâT help someone who is determined, stubornly, to continue doing the same NONSENSE and would rather go down in FLAMES (the whole world in wrong) as HE is right !â - and I agree absolutely!
However, I think the problem is that he is mostly an artist (probably feeling old and tired now) and you need a certain mind framework to plan and strucuture a story. Jim Brozman arrival has even worsened the situation, as I think the art is now embarassingly bad.
Thank you for the information about the âKillian yearsâ - I really had no idea so, the disappearence of the classic grotesques was his idea⌠and probably the removal of the âchase sequenceâ started paving the way to the non-action of todayâs strip?
roberto.alves over 15 years ago
⌠and the way mr. Pops is drawn is inconsistent with previous depictions! Mutant Skrull Clown!
LudwigVonDrake over 15 years ago
So Tracy brought his gun with him when he went to the circus with his wife and daughter?
At this point I wish Sloppy the Clown would just shoot Tracy and end the strip forever.
OzzieJohn over 15 years ago
Even after working with him, being involved in a court case with him⌠Ringo didnât recognize Pops through the clown make-up. He didnât recognize the voice either.
Morrow Cummings over 15 years ago
Amen, Ludwig.
sydney over 15 years ago
RELEASED EARLY ? For agreeing to - RETURN MONEY ?? WHICH MONEY ?
MORE DISTORTION ! NONSENSE ! JUST LOCHER BUNKUM !
No money was ever stolen ! The crime was attempting to illegally ship hi-tech weaponry to South America (9-05-09) whicn the FBI intercepted.
Does Locher manufacture these distortions deliberately OR is the mind in âslipperyâ mode, plum forgetting the factual base he laid out two weeks ago ?
Whatever, itâs not burnishing his reputation as a competent writer.
ninmas over 15 years ago
you guys may not like this strip, but i find it cool.
Karl Hiller over 15 years ago
âReturnâ the money, eh?
The money came from customers in South America who were buying the weapons. So he was released from prison⌠early⌠for refunding money to foreigners who boughtâŚ
(head explodes)
Mattaden65 over 15 years ago
I was wondering where my sonâs lemonade stand sign went until I just noticed it is the OâConnell Circus sign. Seriously, has anybody under, letâs say 100 years old ever went to a circus with a sign like that? The ending will be that Tracy removes his hand quickly only to be shot 42 times by a six shooter. As he lies dead, his hand opens to reveal not a gun, but a picture of Gould with RIP in bold letters on the bottom. Ala, Gran Torino.
Sad Sad Story. Iâm sure Matthew loves it.
sydney over 15 years ago
Roberto, Let me not leave the impression that Kilian and Locher never produced some good Dick Tracy work, or some top rate villains. For example they had No Face (â93), Dab Stract (original version -â95), Smirk (â01), Snails (â01) and Beau Tox â02). Add to that several passable creations. But 40% were so weak they smacked of âno real creative effortâ (a sort of, âany old thingâ will doâ) and were never of a quality to be in Dick Tracy. In this respect, todayâs Clown face is (in my cynical view), effectively Locher taking a âcreative holidayâ. Nice dodge if you can do it. âTimeâ, and the debilitating effect of TWO jobs !
Locher IS (was?) highly gifted in villan designs, WHEN he put his âmind and focusâ to it. His real strength ! Problem is he had too many time consuming interests including his Political cartoons, where he made his professional mark. But these also served as distactions away from the full focus needed for Dick Tracy. TMS restrictions never made the job easier and some will make out, THAT was the whole problem. NOT so ! Collins had to work with similar reigns but was flexible enough to work well around them.
Chet Gouldâs writing format was consistently - Early Crime, Chase and Capture ! Kilian never grasped that formula. His 12 week stories were (usually) â build a story platform for eight to nine weeks, have a crime, a one week chase then capture or death. The heart of Gouldâs stories lay in a long CHASE sequences. movement, narrow escapes, changing visual scenery (often out in the country-side), gripping death traps. Kilianâs stories never had that visual variety or propelling physical action.
Locher who had the advantage of working with, and seeing how both Gould and Collins structured their stories, chose instead, to pattern his own writing style after the worst writer of the three - Mike Kilian. And we now see it all culminating in a peak of dullness in the current Circus story. And this one is special, itâs further embellished with Locherâs unique âpackageâ of careless contradictions.
Iâll leave with a quote from Kilian on his initial thinking and approach â âWe have deliberately inserted some âextremely serious themesâ into the program ⌠hate crimes âŚ. frightening car jacking âŚ. but didnât think we could approach the story as something cute and colorful. So the old style villains had to take a back seat on that oneâ
That was the passage that implied he was writing an Editorial, and not a comic strip for entertainment. His first two stories were all that, AND thatâs when the ârotâ set in.
steveyorkdesigns over 15 years ago
There should be no comma after high tech. Isnât ANYONE editing this thing?
MisngNOLA over 15 years ago
von Drake, sorry to disagree with you but itâs standard practice in many police departments for officers and detectives to carry their weapons while off duty. As much bad as there is going on in the strip, this really isnât a slip-up.
jumbobrain over 15 years ago
And just to show that in addition to crappy art and writing the strip is rife with conventional errors any editor two weeks out of junior high school should be catching: there should not be a comma between âhigh-techâ and âweaponsâ in panel one. You only need a comma if thereâs more than one adjective modifying a noun.
Froxkrybra over 15 years ago
By the way, where is Tess and Bonnie? Has any1 seen them?
Lyons Group, Inc. over 15 years ago
Tracy sent them home. Remember?
Frosted Donut Premium Member over 15 years ago
So this entire circus (ringmaster, clown, and trapeze artist) is made up of people who arenât really circus people? I wonder what crime the lion tamer was involved in before he ran away and joined the circusâŚ
Ray_C over 15 years ago
Why did the clown decide to come out of the closet at this point? Did Tracy really smoke him out somehow?
DonnieTevault over 15 years ago
Concerning the moneyâŚ
Pops the Clown couldnât have returned the money if he wanted to. Most of the money would have gone to either the weapons manufacturers or to the âfencesâ, and the most that Pops could have returned would be what he made from the sales commission. (I say âfencesâ, because if the weapons were stolen, I doubt that Pops could have pulled that off by himself.)
As someone else has already pointed out, to whom would he return the money? If he returned it to the countries that bought the weapons, then these countries would now have both the weapons and their money. Not a bad deal for them at all.
Even if the weapons were stolen, this isnât just an issue of simple thievery that can be resolved by returning the money. Selling weapons to foreign countries is a pretty big deal. Itâs an especially big deal if the weapons are sold to countries with whom weâre at war. (Can you say, âTreasonâ.)
Apart from the money angleâŚ
The timeline of this story doesnât make any sense at all. Agent Ennen couldnât have arrived until at least a day or two after the shooting. Does this mean that Tracy has been spending days and nights in the circus ring, without a break to eat, sleep, or to use the bathroom?
What happened to the audience. Did they all go home, or are they still there? If theyâre still there, Pops is rather foolish to pull his six gun on our intrepid heroes. He might be able to finish them off, but thereâs no way heâs be able to deal with the whole crowd.
Tent within a tentâŚ
Maybe Pops just carries the inner tent around with him whenever heâs trying to sneak up on people.
ConclusionâŚ
As we keep saying, this is an extremely poorly-written strip. Our only hope is for TMS to hire a new writing team. But, that probably wonât happen, since it sounds like Locher and Brozman are probably working for peanuts. A decent writing team probably wouldnât want to work for that kind of money.
Vista Bill Raley and Comet⢠over 15 years ago
Is is my imagination, but it appears that the tent has become much smaller.
Durak Premium Member over 15 years ago
Donnie - Lets make a suggestion. There are many who post on this site that would write the story for FREE. Iâm not sure what level of decent you want, but I think we could at least manage better than what weâve been getting. I really want to like DT, I do. It could be so much fun. Instead it is nearly insulting to any reader with an intellectual age of 8 or better.
Morrow Cummings over 15 years ago
Good impression for the kids. Do a crime, become a felon, go to the Big House, and pay your way back out on the street. Not exactly good to teach the kiddies. However, if it all happened in Illinois, and Blago was the guv, wellâŚâŚ.
Someoneâs been in Illinois too long!
jumbobrain over 15 years ago
So also, if the FBI agent knew some of the circus people werenât who they said they were, why wouldnât she also say âHey, the clown is the guy who swore vengeance on the ringmaster,â and just arrest him instead of coming in and joining the conversation for a few weeks till the clown pulled a gun?
The only entertainment value this comic seems to have is the opportunity to extrapolate on its many failings.
FLIGHT SUIT over 15 years ago
All this excitement âcause somethingâs finally happening is just like what happens when you watch a Grateful Dead show or a baseball game:
You sit there for what feels like a lifetime, bored to tears, and then finally Mickey Hart begins a drum solo or somebody hits a home run, and youâre in such a state of shock that SOMETHINGâS ACTUALLY HAPPENING that you stand up and start cheering.
MisngNOLA over 15 years ago
LOL, Flight Suit, I like baseball and the Grateful Dead, but the premise of your post is spot on.
OzzieJohn over 15 years ago
Perhaps the tiger is Sam Catchem in disguise, waiting to turn the tables on the villain?