Actually that sounds worse, a cow’s tongue can be washed after all, and breast feeding mom’s a good portion have no doubt expressed and sipped a tablespoon or so out of curiosity. That isn’t weird, I tried it , and compared to cow milk it was rather thin.
I had dinner, years back, with a “star” of BoratHe was used for a joke, though it fell rather flatAs Bob Barr told his story, we smiled by degreesBorat gave (undisclosed) his “mother’s milk cheese”But in parts of the world, this is not a big dealFolks from there’d be nonplussed at Allgood’s last spielFor what’s “weird” is oftimes what you grew with as goodJust as Romans were wont to be smearing blue mudSo now Allgood is counting on widespread disgustNote there’s no current law! The arrest was a bust!All he can do (in theory) is go for the “ick”And (except for High Council) might not make it stick.=|====/ Level HeadVote for Endtown 2.0And for Doc Rat, tooVote for Endtown ClassicThe Endtown ForumThe Endtown AuctionThe Endtown Books
What ARE the rights of citizens. The logic is to establishing a rule to live by IN WRITING .At least here in America. We are presuming that this is based on what was left of America. Establish the rule before you call it criminal.The realism is disgusting but that isn’t going to stop me from loving it.Blessed Be
Something just occurred to me. You cannot sell cow’s milk without USDA Agricultural Inspection to make certain the milk producer’s food, living arrangements, vaccinations, and the collecting and processing facilities are up to standards. Conspiracy radio occasionally talks about whole milk producers getting shut down for not pasteurising or homogenizing their product. Yet there is quite a marketplace for mother’s milk and mother’s milk products. Perhaps someone else more familiar with their countries’ dairy laws could clarify this issue.Human females do not have to have given birth to lactate. I was a youth advisor for teens for many years. If we had forty 16 year old girls, and a young married woman who was a former member of the group showed up with an infant, we could expect at least one or two girls to accidentally express a little milk and we had to have the female adult workers on guard to provide cover and prevent embarassment. As I understand, there are just a few hormones required to lactate, and 16 year olds are hormone reactors.Remember to vote at topwebcomics for Endtown 2.0, Doc Rat, and the original Endtown.Trying to be Courteous, Clean and Respectful,
Times change, you idiot panda! You aren’t human, you aren’t animal, you are mutant. NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. Mutations happen in the real world every day, it’s called…EVOLUTION! Sometimes evolution comes as a response to a changing enviornment..which would be endtown’s situation. Adapt or die..and that includes one’s mindset.
I deleted my two rambling posts about Human breast milk icecream because Surfi posted a link to the story, that was more comprehensible. My deletions should put her post on the first page. Plus she just sent me directions on making links. I promise to read it thoroughly and learn, bbut now I am a bit foggy.
Thank you very much Surfi. I am still shaking me head over $23 per scoop human breast milk ice cream, as well as the suppliers getting $24 for 10 ounces of mothers’ milk.Sincerely Thankfully, JusSayin
Allgood is trying to make a point, but he’s on the wrong track. Not just that there’s a difference between the current day and before the war, when food used to be plentiful. (There’s a perversity here, with Allgood in his suit and tie, drinking bottles of scotch and even smashing some when he wants to vent his rage, in counterpoint to other Endtown citizens who live hand-to-mouth, in frugal and Spartan circumstances, with pokey little apartment rooms and eating little else but beans.)More importantly, people have mutated into bizarre cartoon animals. I mean, c’mon! Reality as we knew it has gone out the window! Thing is, now we have to create our own new definition of human. Allgood’s definition is one, but in my opinion it’s the wrong one: “Walk upright, wear clothes and comb your hair. Do it with a straight face and with luck no-one wil notice.”What we are learning in this epic journey that started with Al and Gustine, then Wally and Holly, then Flask and Petey, and so on, is that another way of defining human is by the compassionate values they hold, the bonds they foster and the prices they are willing to pay in the name of community with one another.The human deck is being shuffled as we speak. We’re making it up even while the next hand is being dealt.It’s true that what’s at stake here in Endtown is humanity itself. On that basis, one could argue it’s so important that the players see it as worth fighting for, fighting to the very brink, fighting to the edge of endurance, fighting to the edge of morality, fighting to the edge of reason: it’s survival against destruction, even good against evil. If it’s worth fighting for, maybe it’s worth killing for. Maybe lives must be sacrificed, by this reckoning, within the greater game of survival of the species. That’s how their argument coud go.One could argue, on the other side, though, that the moment you are prepared to kill in order to define yourself as human, you have lost sight of your goal and the need to get there.
Just wondering, using Allgoods mentality, what if Maude’s husband was still alive, should or would he be on trial too? Plus his statements on Holly were painted too broadly. Cheese from human milk may be weird, if possible, but Maude’s body isn’t human, she’s a cow that produces cow’s milk. Really, Allgoods assessment is really intellectually dishonest. JJ should or hopefully would pick up on this and exposes it before he gets on his soapbox.Wait, he needs one just to be seen!!
Questions:Did Holly already like chees in her human form?Did Holly even make cheese in her human form? Or just buy it in the super market? This would have been my answer to this question. I didn’t had to make chees, I just bought what was available at the super market. And even if they would have had human milk cheese, the price difference would lead me to buy cow or goat chees. Allgood just asks the wrong questions, and Holly gives the wrong answers.Maude is a sentient being, and that’s all that counts.I would make Allgood explain what is a human being, he surely will disqualify himself with the answer.
Dear Endtown, there’s an apocalyptic wasteland outside your front door, laws need a bit of revising when that sort of thing happens. May I suggest a different legal method, involving two individuals entering a dome-like structure, where only one individual can leave?
@Jussayin & @surfstuff55 Thanks for the link and information. Makes one think..@LizardPriest So what did you find on those bans?.I did not find any outright bans. But a couple of interesting articles. And I to do not know how to make links. But here..http://www.lactivist.net/etsy-bans-human-milk-soap-as-it-contains-human-remains-petition/.http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/Breast_milk_menu_too_titillating_for_diners.html?cid=995000.http://naturalsociety.com/genetically-modified-cows-to-create-human-breast-milk/.I found a line if interest in the second of these.“Human milk is specifically designed for babies and not to be of nutritional value for adults.”This lines seems to be absolutely absurd to me..Mr. Allgood makes me wonder. Would he like to put on a plastic suit?.
Back to the story, might that be Wally and the Doc silhouetted in the lower left of panel one? Scratch that, the Doc’s ears are different.I was hoping to see the rest of JJ’s introduction from yesterday. It definitely had Allgood’s speech beaten.
Old lawyer trick. Give you a question you can only answer a certain way then use a hypothesis to make a conclusion.Allgood said it Maude was denied human dignity Holly did not. Maude was not DENIED her human dignity in letting Holly use the milk to make cheese. Allgood uses human breast milk as if Maude is using her breasts. From the looks of her lower parts I would say the mutation left her cow udders and that is where the milk came from not her breasts.So in rebuttal to Allgood if Maude gave the milk willing and free WHERE the HELL was her human dignity denied?Allgood is drawing conclusions based on what HE feels is right.I can tell now this is not going to be a trial like we have where attorneys can OBJECT to lines of misleading questions or drawing conclusions when the witness does not say it. Its called “answering for the witness”. I have seen judges stop right there warning the attorney STERNLY not to do that. BUT this is Endtown its going to go differently.There will be arguments, tears, fears, and the clowns will be in control. We all know the Council is fixed and the decision is premade.Jake will make a fervent appeal and a good show but that is not going to move the Council unless something happens.I put my money on a twist coming up.I don’t know what but I can feel it coming.
If a society has encountered a new moral dilemna that eventually inspires a law, should those who did the act be retroactively punished? At what point in the past should the punishment stop? What recourse do the accusaed have for the damage to their social standing?
Is anyone else concerned about what will happen when Linda is on the stand? How much information is passed between changes of the council? Didn’t the council know that Linda was a Topsider? Won’t this probably come out in the trial?
“QUESTION: Would you tell the High Council where it [the cheese] originated? CORRECT ANSWER: What the hell business is that of theirs or yours?”Follow up question – Are you going to pull an attitude when the court room is filled with armed rats, your friend is in a separate room with armed rats, and when the questioning is over, you’re returning to your cell surrounded by armed rats? All of this on top of having spent two weeks in a cell with no facilities, no lights out, and occasional visits by armed rats? Keeping in mind that you have no way of knowing if Wally is in another cell also populated with armed rats.
I love reading the comments here almost as much as the strip itself. There are so many interesting points of view expressed.
Let’s not forget that based on previous strips, we know that the defendants have all endured captivity without sanitary facilities, a place to sleep, etc.. They can’t be expected to be at the top of their game.
We would expect lawyers to try to prep their clients to avoid trick questions, but Jacob is a writer, not a lawyer. Who knows if he has even had a chance to talk to them.
They are already on trial for something that isn’t technically a crime. How many of the things we take for granted in our court systems may not apply here?
Maude is a human in the shape of a cow so what’s the issue?? She offered her milk…. does that make it wrong?? of course, it is Friday and we have to wait.
From what we have seen, this “trial” is not following what would be OUR version of what would be. It is Endtown after all and Endtown is on a WAR footing. So many rights would be waived for SECURITY issues. And how this affects security like Groucho said I will never know. The “accused” have been kept in isolation. Only contacts have been with the Rats and their preparations. No one has had contact to build a defense. This is all questions and answers. Allgood led Holly right into his trap. He got her to admit the milk came from Maude so Allgood says Holly was using Maude as a COW as he said DENYING her Humanity. Allgood said it not Holly. Allgood got Holly to say using breast milk was “Weird” so that left Allgood with HIS conclusion.As RickD said what is going to go on when Linda takes the chair. She has been stewing on this all the time saying nothing. Linda is going to pop I can see it coming. When threatened with death she is going to cut loose on the whole deal INCLUDING her origins.Maude is going to stand her ground as it is HER choice and no one is forcing it on her. She believes she is helping folks which is the way she is. Like I pointed out she is not giving breast milk. She has udders under that robe and probably is not afraid to show everyone.Jake is simply going to point out we are still human but not the same as we were. We are different with new abilities not known before. Have we lost our humanity or just changed it by a cause forced on us. Jake may not say much. If I were him I would let the accused talk. Of course not that it is going to make a difference anyway. I don’t see the Council all teary eyed going “We made a mistake we’re sorry” “It was all Velda and Allgood’s fault, they made us do it.”That isn’t happening folks, it’s got to break somewhere else.The TENSION is extreme!!!!!!!!!!! (Isn’t it nice!)
1-Maude is a cow morph, not a cow. 2-Maude volunteered the milk. 3- we don’t make cheese from human breast milk because it is impractical, humans just don’t produce that much milk (though I guarantee you’ll find someone who has done it, and might even find a place on the internet where you can buy some)
Here’s as I see it. Some of the humans were mutated into animals that “give” by-products. A chicken will produce eggs and there is no need of a male for fertilization prior to her laying them. A cow, after giving birth, will produce milk for a period of time. In the case of the cow, unless the milk is expressed, her udder will burst. The same goes for any other dairy animal (and humans, ask any mom who’s given birth about how her breasts feel), The solution in Endtown seems to be to waste and destroy any of these products. The more humane and least wasteful method is to use it. This is reminding me of how some large corporations would rather waste food than help relieve the hunger situation (recent news story-large bank foreclosed on a small local grocery store. Destroyed ALL the food, perishable and non-perishable, rather than give the non-perishable items to a food bank or the people hoping to get some. These items included baby food and powdered formulas).
True that, I offered my rats a choice between cow cheese and soy cheese and they quickly took off with the soy cheese. . But if I had offered cheese or avocado the cheese would be untouched. Rats go nuts over avocados.
I would like the rats own slightly odd moral code be the twist, like not shooting anyone in the back, but Linda may tell them days worth of stuff that she saw going on topside that would make this out to be a story for babies.
Right now (and most of the day) I have felt sorry for Holly. She has that thousand yard stare.She looks so pitiful. And dat fat old mean panda is just so DANG mean.Bad old Panda!
The Milk Three should bring up the lack of humane treatment by their accusers. Little food if any, No rest, no basic comforts, no other contact with folks, no chance to even form a defense strategy, no phone call, still in the same clothing, it is like being a POW except you are not the enemy some members of your own community are doing this to you.(I don’t know about you but right now they ALL ought to be a little RIPE.) Febreeze any one???
He says “I rest my case.”He’s in a courtroom settingIn any other placeIt might be worth forgettingIt’s just a turn of phraseAnd has no deep aspectIn court, it ends his phaseAnd thus, he might be wreckedOf course, this court is oddAnd doesn’t follow rulesThe Council might just nodAnd scheme like evil fools=|====/ Level HeadVote for Endtown 2.0And for Doc Rat, tooVote for Endtown ClassicThe Endtown ForumThe Endtown AuctionThe Endtown Books
This entire storyline has me thinking on a tv show that I’ve come to love, called “Taboo”. It’s really interesting how much my own family members get all squeamish over stewing and eating a rat, but have absolutely no issues with eating other meats like caribou or bear. I’m waiting impatiently until Aaron decides where his runaway freight train will take us next.
“I rest my case.” Is that all to be said? Only one suspect addressed (as far as we know). The prosecution doesn’t have much evidence. Without the cake or cheese, it’s just heresay. He may have the HC on his side but may lose public opinion. That may leave it up to the rats to decide which group to obey.
Here is one for the weekend.I think I may have a clue (police style) on who may be behind this all.THE LEGUME GANG! AKA: The Bean Syndicate.A secretive, hush hush group of individuals interested in keeping BEANS the one and ONLY food of Endtown. They have their “black” hands into the bean food production and commodities. This new “use mutant by products” is a threat to their bottom line. Which is “Making a profit”.Why eat nothing but beans if you can have eggs and milk also. WE ALL KNOW HOW MUCH ENDTOWNERS HATE BEANS. So if milk and eggs became available openly without restrictions the bean market would crash leaving those holding all the bean stock broke.You know it is not far fetched. Velda could be a family member of someone who holds a huge amount of bean stocks. So there would be her involvement and explain why she seems so well off. MONEY. Members of the Bean Syndicate are in charge in the Council rigged by Velda so death to the mutant by product producers. That way eliminate any and all competition.Have fun with this. Got to go. They are putting down new flooring and starting at my side.See you all Monday. I will check back. Peace and out.
I’m not saure I’ve seen a mutant child more that once. They were in a toy store. Wonder if they all are largely infertile?Holly just isn’t good at defending herself verbally. maybe Maude will be, or else she will throw herself on the mercy of the court?
Actually, Allgood has a huge point, but it’s for a situation that he’s in the process of creating himself. So far, the use of mutant byproducts has been very limited, and mostly under the table. Once the practice is brought to light and more mutants start thinking about it as something that can be put into daily practice, the ones that can produce things like milk and eggs are going to be thrown into the spotlight. They won’t be able to go outside without an armed escort, and there will be massive pressure to supply enough byproducts to meet demand (white market or black market). Allgood’s trial is going to turn byproduct producers into “things to be manipulated” whether he likes it or not.
“To answer your question, Mr. Allgood, Maude is a human spirit residing in a bovine body, just as yours resides in a panda body, and mine in a mouse’s. Our bodies are merely vehicles we navigate through our lives, Mr. Allgood. But they are OURS, by right, just as my spirit is mine, by birth, and the freedoms we have revolve around those facts. Likewise, these freedoms are reflected in the choices we make concerning what we DO with our bodies, assuming that these actions don’t make victims of others, or infringe upon the rights of others. What Maude CHOSE to do with her own body, and the byproducts thereof ,was hers and hers alone. She chose to give me the milk she produced becuase, like most bovines, the production of milk can become painful if it’s not released, and though she could have simply thrown away her milk, Maude hates to see anything useful go to waste, so she CHOSE to give it to me… As a result I CHOSE to make cheese from it… There were no victims here, merely consenting adults using the tools they’ve been given (their own bodies) to create useful things from their harmless byproducts… No different from the old-Earth custom of donating one’s hair for the creation of wigs for cancer patients, or the donation of organs or blood to those who might need them in medical circumstances… Reasonable, free choices made by consenting adults… In the case of the other Endtown inhabitants whose garbage may have been raided for the eggs used to make the cake, well…since the eggs were already thrown away, the most Linda can be fined for would be trespassing and possibly garbage theft…”
Regardless of Allgood’s conclusion, making cheese from human breast milk is not illegal, let alone a capital offense. The world of Endtown is based on ours, so I expect it would be a curiosity at worst there too, before the war.I hope someone calls an expert witness to explain the genetics of mutation. If called by Allgood, then we can assume for his argument that mutants are genetically human with animal overlays. If called by Jackrabbit, then the argument will probably be that mutants are no longer genetically human and therefore mutant products are not human products. In any case, both sides need to realize that they are being used, and their arguments are just a convenient way for the Powers That Wannabe to divide and conquer.
On stealing eggs from somebody’s garbage can—-in the immortal words of Django the Rat from “Ratatouille,” “It’s not stealing if nobody wants it.” (Unless I’m misquoting.)
I was concerned at first about Linda’s topsider connection being used as a reason for executing the 3 (something like Linda working to cause dissent, with Holly and Maude guilty by association); but this “plot” that Algood, Velda and HC are into is much older…and seems to be for some far-reaching purpose that will adversely affect a lot of Endtowners (rivers of blood). Focusing on Linda wouldn’t illustrate a “creeping social blight”, as Algood seems to want to demonstrate.
One more comment about Linda’s secret coming out. There are presently at least 10 people (if we assume that Velda packed the HC only recently) wandering around in Endtown that know Linda was a Topsider. Is there anything keeping them from talking publicly, other than a promise to keep this a secret?
I have wondered if “other” former Topsiders wander the streets of Endtown…of course, the only other “other” we know for sure is the nearly-departed Philomena Flask…
mr_sherman Premium Member over 11 years ago
Situations change. Like said yesterday humans adapt.
pam Miner over 11 years ago
If you think of it, eating something that came from a chickens rear end doesn’t sound any better.
pam Miner over 11 years ago
Actually that sounds worse, a cow’s tongue can be washed after all, and breast feeding mom’s a good portion have no doubt expressed and sipped a tablespoon or so out of curiosity. That isn’t weird, I tried it , and compared to cow milk it was rather thin.
Level_Head over 11 years ago
I had dinner, years back, with a “star” of BoratHe was used for a joke, though it fell rather flatAs Bob Barr told his story, we smiled by degreesBorat gave (undisclosed) his “mother’s milk cheese”But in parts of the world, this is not a big dealFolks from there’d be nonplussed at Allgood’s last spielFor what’s “weird” is oftimes what you grew with as goodJust as Romans were wont to be smearing blue mudSo now Allgood is counting on widespread disgustNote there’s no current law! The arrest was a bust!All he can do (in theory) is go for the “ick”And (except for High Council) might not make it stick.=|====/ Level HeadVote for Endtown 2.0And for Doc Rat, tooVote for Endtown ClassicThe Endtown ForumThe Endtown AuctionThe Endtown Books
SapphireDragonStudios over 11 years ago
The difference is that Maude is a consenting adult woman who not only agreed, but judging by her personality she was eager to do so.
frogsandravens over 11 years ago
It occurs to me to wonder if Maude had a child. She shouldn’t be able to produce milk if not.
dirtyoldlady1 over 11 years ago
What ARE the rights of citizens. The logic is to establishing a rule to live by IN WRITING .At least here in America. We are presuming that this is based on what was left of America. Establish the rule before you call it criminal.The realism is disgusting but that isn’t going to stop me from loving it.Blessed Be
dirtyoldlady1 over 11 years ago
Correction, I am disgusted at the reactions, not the cause.Blessings
JusSayin over 11 years ago
Something just occurred to me. You cannot sell cow’s milk without USDA Agricultural Inspection to make certain the milk producer’s food, living arrangements, vaccinations, and the collecting and processing facilities are up to standards. Conspiracy radio occasionally talks about whole milk producers getting shut down for not pasteurising or homogenizing their product. Yet there is quite a marketplace for mother’s milk and mother’s milk products. Perhaps someone else more familiar with their countries’ dairy laws could clarify this issue.Human females do not have to have given birth to lactate. I was a youth advisor for teens for many years. If we had forty 16 year old girls, and a young married woman who was a former member of the group showed up with an infant, we could expect at least one or two girls to accidentally express a little milk and we had to have the female adult workers on guard to provide cover and prevent embarassment. As I understand, there are just a few hormones required to lactate, and 16 year olds are hormone reactors.Remember to vote at topwebcomics for Endtown 2.0, Doc Rat, and the original Endtown.Trying to be Courteous, Clean and Respectful,
Thanks,JusSayin
MerriMagic over 11 years ago
Times change, you idiot panda! You aren’t human, you aren’t animal, you are mutant. NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. Mutations happen in the real world every day, it’s called…EVOLUTION! Sometimes evolution comes as a response to a changing enviornment..which would be endtown’s situation. Adapt or die..and that includes one’s mindset.
JusSayin over 11 years ago
I deleted my two rambling posts about Human breast milk icecream because Surfi posted a link to the story, that was more comprehensible. My deletions should put her post on the first page. Plus she just sent me directions on making links. I promise to read it thoroughly and learn, bbut now I am a bit foggy.
Thank you very much Surfi. I am still shaking me head over $23 per scoop human breast milk ice cream, as well as the suppliers getting $24 for 10 ounces of mothers’ milk.Sincerely Thankfully, JusSayin
Jenner Premium Member over 11 years ago
Allgood is trying to make a point, but he’s on the wrong track. Not just that there’s a difference between the current day and before the war, when food used to be plentiful. (There’s a perversity here, with Allgood in his suit and tie, drinking bottles of scotch and even smashing some when he wants to vent his rage, in counterpoint to other Endtown citizens who live hand-to-mouth, in frugal and Spartan circumstances, with pokey little apartment rooms and eating little else but beans.)More importantly, people have mutated into bizarre cartoon animals. I mean, c’mon! Reality as we knew it has gone out the window! Thing is, now we have to create our own new definition of human. Allgood’s definition is one, but in my opinion it’s the wrong one: “Walk upright, wear clothes and comb your hair. Do it with a straight face and with luck no-one wil notice.”What we are learning in this epic journey that started with Al and Gustine, then Wally and Holly, then Flask and Petey, and so on, is that another way of defining human is by the compassionate values they hold, the bonds they foster and the prices they are willing to pay in the name of community with one another.The human deck is being shuffled as we speak. We’re making it up even while the next hand is being dealt.It’s true that what’s at stake here in Endtown is humanity itself. On that basis, one could argue it’s so important that the players see it as worth fighting for, fighting to the very brink, fighting to the edge of endurance, fighting to the edge of morality, fighting to the edge of reason: it’s survival against destruction, even good against evil. If it’s worth fighting for, maybe it’s worth killing for. Maybe lives must be sacrificed, by this reckoning, within the greater game of survival of the species. That’s how their argument coud go.One could argue, on the other side, though, that the moment you are prepared to kill in order to define yourself as human, you have lost sight of your goal and the need to get there.
witchspell63 over 11 years ago
Just wondering, using Allgoods mentality, what if Maude’s husband was still alive, should or would he be on trial too? Plus his statements on Holly were painted too broadly. Cheese from human milk may be weird, if possible, but Maude’s body isn’t human, she’s a cow that produces cow’s milk. Really, Allgoods assessment is really intellectually dishonest. JJ should or hopefully would pick up on this and exposes it before he gets on his soapbox.Wait, he needs one just to be seen!!
LizardPriest over 11 years ago
It would be interesting to know how many states currently ban cheese made from human milk.
LordGrey over 11 years ago
Questions:Did Holly already like chees in her human form?Did Holly even make cheese in her human form? Or just buy it in the super market? This would have been my answer to this question. I didn’t had to make chees, I just bought what was available at the super market. And even if they would have had human milk cheese, the price difference would lead me to buy cow or goat chees. Allgood just asks the wrong questions, and Holly gives the wrong answers.Maude is a sentient being, and that’s all that counts.I would make Allgood explain what is a human being, he surely will disqualify himself with the answer.
the other ghost girl over 11 years ago
……….. its weird but not immoral
Robert Nowall Premium Member over 11 years ago
Surely Holly, as the asccused, has the right to refuse to testify against herself. Doesn’t she?
salenstormwing over 11 years ago
Dear Endtown, there’s an apocalyptic wasteland outside your front door, laws need a bit of revising when that sort of thing happens. May I suggest a different legal method, involving two individuals entering a dome-like structure, where only one individual can leave?
Gildedtongue over 11 years ago
Granted, a good follow-up question is “After the war, would you make cheese with human breast milk?”
Situation’s changed, my friend, and wax wrapped cheese is a great way to store dairy. :)
Robert Nowall Premium Member over 11 years ago
QUESTION: Would you tell the High Council where it [the cheese] originated? CORRECT ANSWER: What the hell business is that of theirs or yours?
Francis362003 over 11 years ago
She should never try to answer trick questions.
BBWolf128 over 11 years ago
@Jussayin & @surfstuff55 Thanks for the link and information. Makes one think..@LizardPriest So what did you find on those bans?.I did not find any outright bans. But a couple of interesting articles. And I to do not know how to make links. But here..http://www.lactivist.net/etsy-bans-human-milk-soap-as-it-contains-human-remains-petition/.http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/Breast_milk_menu_too_titillating_for_diners.html?cid=995000.http://naturalsociety.com/genetically-modified-cows-to-create-human-breast-milk/.I found a line if interest in the second of these.“Human milk is specifically designed for babies and not to be of nutritional value for adults.”This lines seems to be absolutely absurd to me..Mr. Allgood makes me wonder. Would he like to put on a plastic suit?.
mr_sherman Premium Member over 11 years ago
Back to the story, might that be Wally and the Doc silhouetted in the lower left of panel one? Scratch that, the Doc’s ears are different.I was hoping to see the rest of JJ’s introduction from yesterday. It definitely had Allgood’s speech beaten.
Proxima Premium Member over 11 years ago
OBJECTION! The Prosecution is leading the witness!
Ron over 11 years ago
Hmmm! It seems that Endtown does not have a Bill of Rights which, among other things, prohibits forced self-incrimination under oath.
dwandelt Premium Member over 11 years ago
I want to know what those wretched rats did with that cheese. 10:1 they ate it!
Vet Premium Member over 11 years ago
Old lawyer trick. Give you a question you can only answer a certain way then use a hypothesis to make a conclusion.Allgood said it Maude was denied human dignity Holly did not. Maude was not DENIED her human dignity in letting Holly use the milk to make cheese. Allgood uses human breast milk as if Maude is using her breasts. From the looks of her lower parts I would say the mutation left her cow udders and that is where the milk came from not her breasts.So in rebuttal to Allgood if Maude gave the milk willing and free WHERE the HELL was her human dignity denied?Allgood is drawing conclusions based on what HE feels is right.I can tell now this is not going to be a trial like we have where attorneys can OBJECT to lines of misleading questions or drawing conclusions when the witness does not say it. Its called “answering for the witness”. I have seen judges stop right there warning the attorney STERNLY not to do that. BUT this is Endtown its going to go differently.There will be arguments, tears, fears, and the clowns will be in control. We all know the Council is fixed and the decision is premade.Jake will make a fervent appeal and a good show but that is not going to move the Council unless something happens.I put my money on a twist coming up.I don’t know what but I can feel it coming.
Vet Premium Member over 11 years ago
When the heck is Allgood going to take those panties off his head? He looks like such a maroon.
The Life I Draw Upon over 11 years ago
If a society has encountered a new moral dilemna that eventually inspires a law, should those who did the act be retroactively punished? At what point in the past should the punishment stop? What recourse do the accusaed have for the damage to their social standing?
RickD Premium Member over 11 years ago
Is anyone else concerned about what will happen when Linda is on the stand? How much information is passed between changes of the council? Didn’t the council know that Linda was a Topsider? Won’t this probably come out in the trial?
Ida No over 11 years ago
“QUESTION: Would you tell the High Council where it [the cheese] originated? CORRECT ANSWER: What the hell business is that of theirs or yours?”Follow up question – Are you going to pull an attitude when the court room is filled with armed rats, your friend is in a separate room with armed rats, and when the questioning is over, you’re returning to your cell surrounded by armed rats? All of this on top of having spent two weeks in a cell with no facilities, no lights out, and occasional visits by armed rats? Keeping in mind that you have no way of knowing if Wally is in another cell also populated with armed rats.
twcowdery over 11 years ago
I love reading the comments here almost as much as the strip itself. There are so many interesting points of view expressed.
Let’s not forget that based on previous strips, we know that the defendants have all endured captivity without sanitary facilities, a place to sleep, etc.. They can’t be expected to be at the top of their game.
We would expect lawyers to try to prep their clients to avoid trick questions, but Jacob is a writer, not a lawyer. Who knows if he has even had a chance to talk to them.
They are already on trial for something that isn’t technically a crime. How many of the things we take for granted in our court systems may not apply here?
Dragoncat over 11 years ago
Man, I miss that show!
cindyorch over 11 years ago
Maude is a human in the shape of a cow so what’s the issue?? She offered her milk…. does that make it wrong?? of course, it is Friday and we have to wait.
StarDuck over 11 years ago
My imagination just went wild on this one…… human cheese?!
Vet Premium Member over 11 years ago
From what we have seen, this “trial” is not following what would be OUR version of what would be. It is Endtown after all and Endtown is on a WAR footing. So many rights would be waived for SECURITY issues. And how this affects security like Groucho said I will never know. The “accused” have been kept in isolation. Only contacts have been with the Rats and their preparations. No one has had contact to build a defense. This is all questions and answers. Allgood led Holly right into his trap. He got her to admit the milk came from Maude so Allgood says Holly was using Maude as a COW as he said DENYING her Humanity. Allgood said it not Holly. Allgood got Holly to say using breast milk was “Weird” so that left Allgood with HIS conclusion.As RickD said what is going to go on when Linda takes the chair. She has been stewing on this all the time saying nothing. Linda is going to pop I can see it coming. When threatened with death she is going to cut loose on the whole deal INCLUDING her origins.Maude is going to stand her ground as it is HER choice and no one is forcing it on her. She believes she is helping folks which is the way she is. Like I pointed out she is not giving breast milk. She has udders under that robe and probably is not afraid to show everyone.Jake is simply going to point out we are still human but not the same as we were. We are different with new abilities not known before. Have we lost our humanity or just changed it by a cause forced on us. Jake may not say much. If I were him I would let the accused talk. Of course not that it is going to make a difference anyway. I don’t see the Council all teary eyed going “We made a mistake we’re sorry” “It was all Velda and Allgood’s fault, they made us do it.”That isn’t happening folks, it’s got to break somewhere else.The TENSION is extreme!!!!!!!!!!! (Isn’t it nice!)
yangeldf over 11 years ago
1-Maude is a cow morph, not a cow. 2-Maude volunteered the milk. 3- we don’t make cheese from human breast milk because it is impractical, humans just don’t produce that much milk (though I guarantee you’ll find someone who has done it, and might even find a place on the internet where you can buy some)
Vet Premium Member over 11 years ago
I know and STOP calling me Shirley.(Actually its Rachel but that is our secret)hehehehehe ;-)))
Dragon0131 over 11 years ago
Here’s as I see it. Some of the humans were mutated into animals that “give” by-products. A chicken will produce eggs and there is no need of a male for fertilization prior to her laying them. A cow, after giving birth, will produce milk for a period of time. In the case of the cow, unless the milk is expressed, her udder will burst. The same goes for any other dairy animal (and humans, ask any mom who’s given birth about how her breasts feel), The solution in Endtown seems to be to waste and destroy any of these products. The more humane and least wasteful method is to use it. This is reminding me of how some large corporations would rather waste food than help relieve the hunger situation (recent news story-large bank foreclosed on a small local grocery store. Destroyed ALL the food, perishable and non-perishable, rather than give the non-perishable items to a food bank or the people hoping to get some. These items included baby food and powdered formulas).
JanBic Premium Member over 11 years ago
They are watching a feed to a movie theatre so that could be awake and anyone else.
pam Miner over 11 years ago
True that, I offered my rats a choice between cow cheese and soy cheese and they quickly took off with the soy cheese. . But if I had offered cheese or avocado the cheese would be untouched. Rats go nuts over avocados.
I would like the rats own slightly odd moral code be the twist, like not shooting anyone in the back, but Linda may tell them days worth of stuff that she saw going on topside that would make this out to be a story for babies.deadheadzan over 11 years ago
Very true about milk in an udder or in a breast. Survival depends on ability to adapt and this includes those in Endtown.
Vet Premium Member over 11 years ago
Rest in PeaceJonathan Winters.Your craziness will be appreciated in the afterworld.
Vet Premium Member over 11 years ago
(HEY JanBic)hehehehehe “Underwear”
Vet Premium Member over 11 years ago
Right now (and most of the day) I have felt sorry for Holly. She has that thousand yard stare.She looks so pitiful. And dat fat old mean panda is just so DANG mean.Bad old Panda!
Vet Premium Member over 11 years ago
The Milk Three should bring up the lack of humane treatment by their accusers. Little food if any, No rest, no basic comforts, no other contact with folks, no chance to even form a defense strategy, no phone call, still in the same clothing, it is like being a POW except you are not the enemy some members of your own community are doing this to you.(I don’t know about you but right now they ALL ought to be a little RIPE.) Febreeze any one???
Vet Premium Member over 11 years ago
MY POINT EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Level_Head over 11 years ago
He says “I rest my case.”He’s in a courtroom settingIn any other placeIt might be worth forgettingIt’s just a turn of phraseAnd has no deep aspectIn court, it ends his phaseAnd thus, he might be wreckedOf course, this court is oddAnd doesn’t follow rulesThe Council might just nodAnd scheme like evil fools=|====/ Level HeadVote for Endtown 2.0And for Doc Rat, tooVote for Endtown ClassicThe Endtown ForumThe Endtown AuctionThe Endtown Books
BBWolf128 over 11 years ago
I too love reading the comments on this strip.Maybe not quite as much as the strip itself. LolBut Thanks to all of you.
Lynn Kurtz over 11 years ago
This entire storyline has me thinking on a tv show that I’ve come to love, called “Taboo”. It’s really interesting how much my own family members get all squeamish over stewing and eating a rat, but have absolutely no issues with eating other meats like caribou or bear. I’m waiting impatiently until Aaron decides where his runaway freight train will take us next.
Tyrnn over 11 years ago
Pandaman does have a valid point. Consent was given in regards to the milk… but the eggs might be a sticking point.
Let’s hope this civilization learns to adapt to its situation instead of living in the past. Evolve beyond ‘human’ to ‘sentient beings’
up2trixx over 11 years ago
If the cows & chickens are willing, I say “Let them eat cake”. Beats the hell out of beans…
Jenner, I’ve just caught up on some Doc Rat. Shameful, shameful puns. Pastis would be proud. Or jealous. Either way, great job…
mr_sherman Premium Member over 11 years ago
“I rest my case.” Is that all to be said? Only one suspect addressed (as far as we know). The prosecution doesn’t have much evidence. Without the cake or cheese, it’s just heresay. He may have the HC on his side but may lose public opinion. That may leave it up to the rats to decide which group to obey.
Vet Premium Member over 11 years ago
Here is one for the weekend.I think I may have a clue (police style) on who may be behind this all.THE LEGUME GANG! AKA: The Bean Syndicate.A secretive, hush hush group of individuals interested in keeping BEANS the one and ONLY food of Endtown. They have their “black” hands into the bean food production and commodities. This new “use mutant by products” is a threat to their bottom line. Which is “Making a profit”.Why eat nothing but beans if you can have eggs and milk also. WE ALL KNOW HOW MUCH ENDTOWNERS HATE BEANS. So if milk and eggs became available openly without restrictions the bean market would crash leaving those holding all the bean stock broke.You know it is not far fetched. Velda could be a family member of someone who holds a huge amount of bean stocks. So there would be her involvement and explain why she seems so well off. MONEY. Members of the Bean Syndicate are in charge in the Council rigged by Velda so death to the mutant by product producers. That way eliminate any and all competition.Have fun with this. Got to go. They are putting down new flooring and starting at my side.See you all Monday. I will check back. Peace and out.
pam Miner over 11 years ago
I’m not saure I’ve seen a mutant child more that once. They were in a toy store. Wonder if they all are largely infertile?Holly just isn’t good at defending herself verbally. maybe Maude will be, or else she will throw herself on the mercy of the court?
Ida No over 11 years ago
Actually, Allgood has a huge point, but it’s for a situation that he’s in the process of creating himself. So far, the use of mutant byproducts has been very limited, and mostly under the table. Once the practice is brought to light and more mutants start thinking about it as something that can be put into daily practice, the ones that can produce things like milk and eggs are going to be thrown into the spotlight. They won’t be able to go outside without an armed escort, and there will be massive pressure to supply enough byproducts to meet demand (white market or black market). Allgood’s trial is going to turn byproduct producers into “things to be manipulated” whether he likes it or not.
Jadugara over 11 years ago
“To answer your question, Mr. Allgood, Maude is a human spirit residing in a bovine body, just as yours resides in a panda body, and mine in a mouse’s. Our bodies are merely vehicles we navigate through our lives, Mr. Allgood. But they are OURS, by right, just as my spirit is mine, by birth, and the freedoms we have revolve around those facts. Likewise, these freedoms are reflected in the choices we make concerning what we DO with our bodies, assuming that these actions don’t make victims of others, or infringe upon the rights of others. What Maude CHOSE to do with her own body, and the byproducts thereof ,was hers and hers alone. She chose to give me the milk she produced becuase, like most bovines, the production of milk can become painful if it’s not released, and though she could have simply thrown away her milk, Maude hates to see anything useful go to waste, so she CHOSE to give it to me… As a result I CHOSE to make cheese from it… There were no victims here, merely consenting adults using the tools they’ve been given (their own bodies) to create useful things from their harmless byproducts… No different from the old-Earth custom of donating one’s hair for the creation of wigs for cancer patients, or the donation of organs or blood to those who might need them in medical circumstances… Reasonable, free choices made by consenting adults… In the case of the other Endtown inhabitants whose garbage may have been raided for the eggs used to make the cake, well…since the eggs were already thrown away, the most Linda can be fined for would be trespassing and possibly garbage theft…”
Jenner Premium Member over 11 years ago
Allgood is too full of the milk of human blindness.
Coyoty Premium Member over 11 years ago
Regardless of Allgood’s conclusion, making cheese from human breast milk is not illegal, let alone a capital offense. The world of Endtown is based on ours, so I expect it would be a curiosity at worst there too, before the war.I hope someone calls an expert witness to explain the genetics of mutation. If called by Allgood, then we can assume for his argument that mutants are genetically human with animal overlays. If called by Jackrabbit, then the argument will probably be that mutants are no longer genetically human and therefore mutant products are not human products. In any case, both sides need to realize that they are being used, and their arguments are just a convenient way for the Powers That Wannabe to divide and conquer.
Robert Nowall Premium Member over 11 years ago
On stealing eggs from somebody’s garbage can—-in the immortal words of Django the Rat from “Ratatouille,” “It’s not stealing if nobody wants it.” (Unless I’m misquoting.)
Robert Nowall Premium Member over 11 years ago
On Linda’s former Topsider activity coming out at the trial—-I bet it does.
RickD Premium Member over 11 years ago
I was concerned at first about Linda’s topsider connection being used as a reason for executing the 3 (something like Linda working to cause dissent, with Holly and Maude guilty by association); but this “plot” that Algood, Velda and HC are into is much older…and seems to be for some far-reaching purpose that will adversely affect a lot of Endtowners (rivers of blood). Focusing on Linda wouldn’t illustrate a “creeping social blight”, as Algood seems to want to demonstrate.
Ida No over 11 years ago
One more comment about Linda’s secret coming out. There are presently at least 10 people (if we assume that Velda packed the HC only recently) wandering around in Endtown that know Linda was a Topsider. Is there anything keeping them from talking publicly, other than a promise to keep this a secret?
Robert Nowall Premium Member over 11 years ago
I have wondered if “other” former Topsiders wander the streets of Endtown…of course, the only other “other” we know for sure is the nearly-departed Philomena Flask…