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I donât know. If we havenât been able to reach other planets with intelligent life â because theyâre so far away â why should they be able to reach us any faster?
We say that human life on Earth is intelligent. But, what if there are other inhabited planets with beings so intelligent that they make us look like babbling morons.
Am I artificial intelligence, or are I intelligence? Maybe we should consider that we are the explorers of the Universe and have been. Making sense of it all isnât as difficult as it seems.Being mad as a hatter is helpful of course.
I didnât immediately get the joke, âPair-a-docsâ. I thought she was saying that the Research guys were aliens, and I was going to post something like âNaw, they were made in a Lab⊠Well, one of them wasâŠâ âș
âIntelligenceâ is difficult to define. But, even with our specieâs particularly convoluted journey to this moment in time, we have only been able to âcommunicateâ off the planet for the smallest sliver of existence.
The probability of intelligent life elsewhere may be greater than I imagine.* But âthe vast expanse of this seemingly endless universeâ may be more vastly expansive than Duane imagines.
â[G]iven that the volume of the universe is infinite there must be an infinite number of worlds. But not all of them are populated; therefore only a finite number are. Any finite number divided by infinity is zero, therefore the average population of the universe is zero, and so the total population must be zero.â â The Hitchhikerâs Guide to the Galaxy
Of course, I disagree with Adams on a number of points when it comes to infinity; an infinite number of worlds may contain an infinite number of populated worlds as well as an infinite number of unpopulated worlds; besides which, infinity minus a finite number is still infinity. Also, any finite number divided by infinity is not zero, but an infinitesim; thatâs no more finite than infinity, but itâs a non-zero value.
*Actually, I imagine the probability is quite high.
The earth has hosted life for hundreds of millions of years, yet life capable of recognizing a signal from an extraterrestrial source has only existed about 10,000 years, and has only had that ability for about 100 years. So consider all of the planets with life, what percent will have the capacity to probe space? What percent with that capacity will have developed to that point in time to have sent a signal that would reach us by now? Finally, what direction should they send their signal? How strong must it be to reach us? The universe could be rife with human-level intelligences and it is unlikely that we would ever meet.
The Fermi Paradox is not by Fermi, nor is it a paradox which is defined as a logical contradiction.
From Scientific American: âEnrico Fermi, a Nobel prizewinner who built the first nuclear reactor, never published a word on the subject of extraterrestrials.â
As for the paradox, there is noneâŠ. There is no logical contradiction between the statement âE.T. might exist elsewhereâ and the statement âE.T. is not hereâ
The article: https://blogs.scientificamerican.Com/guest-blog/the-fermi-paradox-is-not-fermi-s-and-it-is-not-a-paradox/
We havenât even achieved interplanetary travel yet. By some measure, we are fairly primitive. Itâs entirely possible that any advanced civilization wouldnât consider us advanced enough to make contact with, yet.
Itâs also possible that some advanced civilization HAS attempted to contact us, but we are too technologically primitive to have recognized it and responded.
And some scientists have suggested that, despite our wishful literature and media, it is possible that there in fact is no technological solution to the problem of the vast distances of interstellar space. Despite our visions of âwarp driveâ or âhyperdriveâ or whatever, it may be that the dream of faster-than-light travel, or even near-light-speed travel, may be impossible for even the most advanced worlds. So even if they wanted to visit us, only multi-generational space missions would have any chance of success.
Actually it is not a paradox. Distances in the cosmos are so vast that it would be nearly impossible for anything consisting of matter or energy ever to travel here. Einsteinâs âEâ is a genuinely effective speed limit, and âWarp Driveâ is a concept that exists only in science fiction, not the real world. Even our radio waves that are able to penetrate the ionosphere have only gotten about 90 light years away since we first started to emit them and they are so chaotic that it is unlikely that they would be recognizable as a sign of life, so they arenât much of a draw.
It is almost certain that there are nearly infinite numbers of planets that can and do support life, and much of that life is undoubtedly more advanced than ours. But none of them have ever come here and we are never going to get there.
gammaguy about 1 year ago
Is that a pair of âdoctorsâ?
davidob about 1 year ago
No, itâs a pair oâ docs.
markkahler52 about 1 year ago
If theyâre psychiatrists, theyâve come to just the right place!
oakie817 about 1 year ago
we havenât made contact, because theyâre looking for intelligent life too
cdward about 1 year ago
I donât know. If we havenât been able to reach other planets with intelligent life â because theyâre so far away â why should they be able to reach us any faster?
e.groves about 1 year ago
We say that human life on Earth is intelligent. But, what if there are other inhabited planets with beings so intelligent that they make us look like babbling morons.
Hickory about 1 year ago
Then they may very well enslave us⊠or keep us as amusing pets.
Egrayjames about 1 year ago
Am I artificial intelligence, or are I intelligence? Maybe we should consider that we are the explorers of the Universe and have been. Making sense of it all isnât as difficult as it seems.Being mad as a hatter is helpful of course.
John Leonard Premium Member about 1 year ago
As the saying goes, that they havenât made contact with us proves theyâre intelligent.
ChessPirate about 1 year ago
I didnât immediately get the joke, âPair-a-docsâ. I thought she was saying that the Research guys were aliens, and I was going to post something like âNaw, they were made in a Lab⊠Well, one of them wasâŠâ âș
Ishka Bibel about 1 year ago
âIntelligenceâ is difficult to define. But, even with our specieâs particularly convoluted journey to this moment in time, we have only been able to âcommunicateâ off the planet for the smallest sliver of existence.
fritzoid Premium Member about 1 year ago
The probability of intelligent life elsewhere may be greater than I imagine.* But âthe vast expanse of this seemingly endless universeâ may be more vastly expansive than Duane imagines.
â[G]iven that the volume of the universe is infinite there must be an infinite number of worlds. But not all of them are populated; therefore only a finite number are. Any finite number divided by infinity is zero, therefore the average population of the universe is zero, and so the total population must be zero.â â The Hitchhikerâs Guide to the Galaxy
Of course, I disagree with Adams on a number of points when it comes to infinity; an infinite number of worlds may contain an infinite number of populated worlds as well as an infinite number of unpopulated worlds; besides which, infinity minus a finite number is still infinity. Also, any finite number divided by infinity is not zero, but an infinitesim; thatâs no more finite than infinity, but itâs a non-zero value.
*Actually, I imagine the probability is quite high.
P51Strega about 1 year ago
The earth has hosted life for hundreds of millions of years, yet life capable of recognizing a signal from an extraterrestrial source has only existed about 10,000 years, and has only had that ability for about 100 years. So consider all of the planets with life, what percent will have the capacity to probe space? What percent with that capacity will have developed to that point in time to have sent a signal that would reach us by now? Finally, what direction should they send their signal? How strong must it be to reach us? The universe could be rife with human-level intelligences and it is unlikely that we would ever meet.
sperry532 about 1 year ago
The Fermi Paradox is not by Fermi, nor is it a paradox which is defined as a logical contradiction.
From Scientific American: âEnrico Fermi, a Nobel prizewinner who built the first nuclear reactor, never published a word on the subject of extraterrestrials.â
As for the paradox, there is noneâŠ. There is no logical contradiction between the statement âE.T. might exist elsewhereâ and the statement âE.T. is not hereâ
The article: https://blogs.scientificamerican.Com/guest-blog/the-fermi-paradox-is-not-fermi-s-and-it-is-not-a-paradox/
suelou about 1 year ago
It amazes me that individual countries all seem to have distinct languages, of which⊠I only speak and understand one!!
T Smith about 1 year ago
We havenât even achieved interplanetary travel yet. By some measure, we are fairly primitive. Itâs entirely possible that any advanced civilization wouldnât consider us advanced enough to make contact with, yet.
Itâs also possible that some advanced civilization HAS attempted to contact us, but we are too technologically primitive to have recognized it and responded.
And some scientists have suggested that, despite our wishful literature and media, it is possible that there in fact is no technological solution to the problem of the vast distances of interstellar space. Despite our visions of âwarp driveâ or âhyperdriveâ or whatever, it may be that the dream of faster-than-light travel, or even near-light-speed travel, may be impossible for even the most advanced worlds. So even if they wanted to visit us, only multi-generational space missions would have any chance of success.
Flatworm about 1 year ago
Actually it is not a paradox. Distances in the cosmos are so vast that it would be nearly impossible for anything consisting of matter or energy ever to travel here. Einsteinâs âEâ is a genuinely effective speed limit, and âWarp Driveâ is a concept that exists only in science fiction, not the real world. Even our radio waves that are able to penetrate the ionosphere have only gotten about 90 light years away since we first started to emit them and they are so chaotic that it is unlikely that they would be recognizable as a sign of life, so they arenât much of a draw.
It is almost certain that there are nearly infinite numbers of planets that can and do support life, and much of that life is undoubtedly more advanced than ours. But none of them have ever come here and we are never going to get there.
Stephen Gilberg about 1 year ago
The so-called Fermi paradox is nothing of the kind,
With lots of refutations crossing many peopleâs minds.
Enrico Fermi never meant or published it that way.
Three people just reported what he happened once to say:
He figured that the reason that we havenât met ETs
Is interstellar travel canât be done, at least with ease.
That isnât claiming aliens with smarts must not exist.
The notion he concluded such a thing should be dismissed.
One Michael Hart, astronomer, first put the thought in print
Some 25 years later, saying we should take a hint
And not spend time and money on a search for brainy life.
The Drake equation did suggest the galaxy was rife,
But physicist Frank Tipler would elaborate on Hart:
If no one else has visited, then no one else is smart.
I find this far from cogent; while we may yet be alone,
With space so vast and vacant, even radio and drones
Might never reach humanity, assuming they would try.
(Our SETI does more listening than signals saying hi.)
Perhaps the other species arenât colonial like us.
Our historyâs destructive, so they may not want the fuss.
They might be so unlike us that we hardly could connect.
They might have come already, merely tricky to detect.
There is no contradiction in the premises involved,
And thus itâs not a paradox; consider it resolved.
âme
Cactus-Pete about 1 year ago
Nobody knows if intelligent life is likely.