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Well in a sane world there would be a way to remove a president for crimes that wasnât easily obstructed by his party despite the other leaders of it outright admitting he did wrong but they wonât hold him accountable. Like a code of ethics that actually has consequences beyond a finger wag. Same applying to the courts themselves since at this point thereâs no less than 4 judges that absolutely have no right to be there.
The problem with our system is that is assumes that everyone will be an adult and respect the rights of others. And when one branch of government forgets that, the other two can combine forces to box the other one out and get back on track. The weakness is when one group locks up all three branches at the same time. What happens then? We are going to find out the hard way.
Kurt Gödel, one of the most brilliant minds of the 20th Century (donât take my word for, take Albert Einsteinâs word) became a US citizen in 1947. Being a very serious scholar, he studied the US Constitution very closely. Before he was to take the citizenship test, he told a colleague that he had found a flaw in the Constitution which would allow our democracy to become â legally â a dictatorship.
See the Wikipedia article on Godelâs Loophole.
The good news is that we donât know for sure what the loophole is. When I first read about it more than 20 years ago, I thought it was amusing. No so much, now.
Allegedly, Andrew Jackson did some naughty things while president (see further âTrail of Tearsâ), and there was, allegedly, a Supreme Court ruling against his being able to do said naughty things. And, allegedly, Andy said, âThe Chief Justice has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.â Strictly speaking, there is no evidence to show that he really said that; there is evidence to show that there was a ruling and that he didnât care.
To be sure, while he was president, there were some rumblings about slave states departing the Union; Andy, a True Son of the South and a slave owner, let it be known that he would personally lead the US Army to retake any state which bailed, and would hang any traitors he found. Some said that this was an unconstitutional attitude. Andy let it be known that he didnât care. The rumblings ceased. Zach Taylor, another True Son of the South and slave owner, had more rumblings while he was prez; he had Andyâs attitude. The rumblings ceased. Unfortunately, Zach didnât last too long, and his successors were⊠not that good, not until Lincoln. Some said that some of Lincolnâs actions were unconstitutional; Lincoln, Grant, Sherman, Farragut, and Scott (the last two also True Sons of the South) disagreed. Scott was the one who planned the Anaconda, the strangling of the slavers; Grant, Sherman, and Farragut made the Anaconda work. The four greatest victories of the Federal forces were Vicksburg, Grant cutting the slavers in two (âThe Father of the Waters again flows unvexed to the seaâ) and Hampton Roads, Monitor chasing Virginia away in the greatest single-ship battle ever fought by the US Navy, and New Orleans and Mobile Bay, Farragut taking the two biggest ports the slavers had. Youâll notice that Marse Bob Lee was nowhere near. Nothing he did ended up mattering.
The successors of the slavers are rumbling again. Perhaps we need Andy Jackson.
Again, this lying cartoonist is trying to get people to believe that the Trump admin is evil incarnate. If he really believes that the US Supreme Court has no power to enforce their rulings, then let the cartoonist not follow a ruling. Then he will find out if the Court has power.
The Supreme Court has been making decisions for 248 years. Some were great decisions and some were bad. So far only Joey Biden refused to obey the Courtâs ruling and we can forgive him for being such a loser and low witted old man. The ruling was on forgiveness of loan debts, to remind you.
Trumpie and the GOP has been more democratic and for freedom that the dems. It wasnât the GOP that told two states not to allow their citizens to vote in the primary, because they wanted Hillary as a candidate. Nor was it the GOP that removed a candidate and made Kamala one.
You know, I am fed up with the b and s that this cartoonist pushes out. You wonât need to respond to what I have written. I have no ended my association with this.., not worth saying. The only people here have Trumpitist.
When we re-write the Constitution in the post-apocalypse era, we need to include a provision that both the Legislative and Judicial branches have enforcement mechanisms for if the Executive refuses to comply with a declaration that a law or action is unconstitutional. This should include, but not be limited to, their own standing armies. I know it sounds âGame of Thrones-y,â but if itâs necessary, itâs necessary.
Hello Everyone about 10 hours ago
Itâs so true. But itâs good to hear others admit it.
Arbitrary about 9 hours ago
Well in a sane world there would be a way to remove a president for crimes that wasnât easily obstructed by his party despite the other leaders of it outright admitting he did wrong but they wonât hold him accountable. Like a code of ethics that actually has consequences beyond a finger wag. Same applying to the courts themselves since at this point thereâs no less than 4 judges that absolutely have no right to be there.
Korea and Brazil certainly learned how.
cmxx about 9 hours ago
What if a P[?]resident wonât comply, Verne asks. Verne, you gave the probable answer in the first panel: âSo whatâ.
GreasyOldTam about 9 hours ago
The problem with our system is that is assumes that everyone will be an adult and respect the rights of others. And when one branch of government forgets that, the other two can combine forces to box the other one out and get back on track. The weakness is when one group locks up all three branches at the same time. What happens then? We are going to find out the hard way.
Purple People Eater about 8 hours ago
Under ordinary circumstances, judges have the police to help them enforce their ruling, but I donât think that would work with a president.
Mediatech about 8 hours ago
He said that he would do it, and he is doing it. Why is anyone surprised?
Baslim the Beggar Premium Member about 7 hours ago
Kurt Gödel, one of the most brilliant minds of the 20th Century (donât take my word for, take Albert Einsteinâs word) became a US citizen in 1947. Being a very serious scholar, he studied the US Constitution very closely. Before he was to take the citizenship test, he told a colleague that he had found a flaw in the Constitution which would allow our democracy to become â legally â a dictatorship.
See the Wikipedia article on Godelâs Loophole.
The good news is that we donât know for sure what the loophole is. When I first read about it more than 20 years ago, I thought it was amusing. No so much, now.
SNVBD about 6 hours ago
Judges issue orders that law enforcement agencies, such as the police or sheriffâs department, are responsible for executing.
scote1379 Premium Member about 5 hours ago
Mid-terms , Mid-terms , Mid-terms , Impeachment , Impeachment , ImpeachmentâŠâŠ..
Ellis97 about 4 hours ago
I couldnât have said it better myself.
James Deveney Premium Member about 3 hours ago
We have turned into the type of country that brought about the Revolution.
Painted Wolf about 3 hours ago
Allegedly, Andrew Jackson did some naughty things while president (see further âTrail of Tearsâ), and there was, allegedly, a Supreme Court ruling against his being able to do said naughty things. And, allegedly, Andy said, âThe Chief Justice has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.â Strictly speaking, there is no evidence to show that he really said that; there is evidence to show that there was a ruling and that he didnât care.
To be sure, while he was president, there were some rumblings about slave states departing the Union; Andy, a True Son of the South and a slave owner, let it be known that he would personally lead the US Army to retake any state which bailed, and would hang any traitors he found. Some said that this was an unconstitutional attitude. Andy let it be known that he didnât care. The rumblings ceased. Zach Taylor, another True Son of the South and slave owner, had more rumblings while he was prez; he had Andyâs attitude. The rumblings ceased. Unfortunately, Zach didnât last too long, and his successors were⊠not that good, not until Lincoln. Some said that some of Lincolnâs actions were unconstitutional; Lincoln, Grant, Sherman, Farragut, and Scott (the last two also True Sons of the South) disagreed. Scott was the one who planned the Anaconda, the strangling of the slavers; Grant, Sherman, and Farragut made the Anaconda work. The four greatest victories of the Federal forces were Vicksburg, Grant cutting the slavers in two (âThe Father of the Waters again flows unvexed to the seaâ) and Hampton Roads, Monitor chasing Virginia away in the greatest single-ship battle ever fought by the US Navy, and New Orleans and Mobile Bay, Farragut taking the two biggest ports the slavers had. Youâll notice that Marse Bob Lee was nowhere near. Nothing he did ended up mattering.
The successors of the slavers are rumbling again. Perhaps we need Andy Jackson.
NeedaChuckle Premium Member about 3 hours ago
Yes, yes we are!! The only good part is people who voted for our great leader are also getting *$$$)&#&!!
ajr58(1) about 3 hours ago
Generally, speaking, police enforcement is done by the executive branch. Not the judiciary. Therein lies the problem.
stevesabe about 3 hours ago
the biggler orange clown(pos) trump and elon musk GOâŠ
MC4802 Premium Member about 2 hours ago
Then we, The People, must do as the US Army Chorus sang to POTUS at his Governorâs BallâŠ
âDo you hear the people sing?Singing the song of angry men?
Will you join in our crusade?Who will be strong and stand with me?"
Google Lyrics Les Miserables Do You Hear the People Sing?
serial232 about 2 hours ago
Again, this lying cartoonist is trying to get people to believe that the Trump admin is evil incarnate. If he really believes that the US Supreme Court has no power to enforce their rulings, then let the cartoonist not follow a ruling. Then he will find out if the Court has power.
The Supreme Court has been making decisions for 248 years. Some were great decisions and some were bad. So far only Joey Biden refused to obey the Courtâs ruling and we can forgive him for being such a loser and low witted old man. The ruling was on forgiveness of loan debts, to remind you.
Trumpie and the GOP has been more democratic and for freedom that the dems. It wasnât the GOP that told two states not to allow their citizens to vote in the primary, because they wanted Hillary as a candidate. Nor was it the GOP that removed a candidate and made Kamala one.
You know, I am fed up with the b and s that this cartoonist pushes out. You wonât need to respond to what I have written. I have no ended my association with this.., not worth saying. The only people here have Trumpitist.
cellodude1990 about 1 hour ago
When we re-write the Constitution in the post-apocalypse era, we need to include a provision that both the Legislative and Judicial branches have enforcement mechanisms for if the Executive refuses to comply with a declaration that a law or action is unconstitutional. This should include, but not be limited to, their own standing armies. I know it sounds âGame of Thrones-y,â but if itâs necessary, itâs necessary.
T Smith about 1 hour ago
This is what happens when you put someone with no respect for the law in charge of enforcing the law.