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I think Great Expectations moves at light speed compared to this.
By the time we tidy up the christmas decorations and fully recover from New Years, Dick Tracy and Tess might actually arrive to see the symphony⌠I stress âmightâ there.
This is just so much drek! To believe that quote, âThe first procedural detectiveâ should be brought down to this level of mediocrity is beyond comprehension.
You could just skip to the next storyline, and chances are, itâs going to start in the same exact manner!
I just hope that, unless TMS finds somebody competent to do this strip after DL retires, they retire it alsoâŚor go into Gould reruns.
It appears that our pitiful cartoonist has finally realized
that he canât draw full figures and has given up trying.
With any luck heâll realize the same thing about his faces.
âWhy do you feel so threatened by my presence here? I promised to leave when it seemed certain the strip was headed for the graveâ
Now woe be me to take a statement as definite as that out of context. I donât think I have !
That was Jeff Kersten posting on Dec.21, 2008. And if thereâs one thing I believe I can count on, is to take him at his word. His last two post (that I could locate) were on 6-24-09 (less than 2 weeks away from the Circus tale). In the first he asked ââŚRiddle me this, how can one criticize if one doesnât have all the facts?â
The final post was just a mocking? (knowing smile?) âŚ*;)*
Can I assume that he already had âall the factsâ and âcognizantâ of what was just up ahead, poised to âpop outâ in theDick Tracy (Circus) world?
Would it be too big a leap (or be unfair?) to connect his earlier statment to the FACT that he no longer posts on this board?
Many folks, heck, myself included, would rather see classic Tracy/Gould reprints than this mess. But that may not be possible for 2 reasons.
The strip size. Mr. Gould had a lot more room at his disposal than todayâs artists. It might not be feasible to reprint his panels in todayâs micro mini comics pages. Especially his gorgeous Sunday strips. Which were shrunk from 16 to 12 panels while he was still doing the strip. What newspaper would be willing to give Tracy that much room?
If Matthew is to be believed, the constraints placed on the writers would make reprinting his work impossible. No way could death traps, shoot outs, torture, and the grisly end of the villains be depicted under TMS standards.
fishbulb, No we could demand a new artist & writer. Who says they wouldnât reprint the originals? After all they are doing it with âBloom Countyâ & a few other strips.
@fishbulb: I think reprinting Gould strips in newspapers would be impractical for the reasons you cite: they ran MUCH bigger (the Sunday strip used to be a full page) and the violence often caused papers to complain even back then. Also, Gouldâs politics would not fly today (one early story had Tracy go back to beat up the villain in his cell AFTER heâd been arrested, just to make sure he got the point). However, reprinting them online would be a whole different matter, and I would like to see it.
I have heard the rumors about how Locher is being straitjacketed by editorial dictates. There may be truth to that, but TMS runs numerous other features, like Gasoline Alley, that do not suffer from the basic problems of slipshod writing and art that plague this strip. Even if there are constraints, itâs no excuse for a four-month story that has everyone standing around talking in the same spot the entire time, or any of the many, many logic and continuity errors here.
OK VistaBill, Iâll have some patience. But I think it will be a lot more than âin good timeâ. The way Locher writes, we wonât know what the heck is going on untl Valentineâs day.
ridenslide65 said, âOK VistaBill, Iâll have some patience. But I think it will be a lot more than âin good timeâ. The way Locher writes, we wonât know what the heck is going on untl Valentineâs day.â
@Joe- in and of itself the phone conversation is not a bad device to start a storyâŚbut in this strip, itâs the ONLY device. Every adventure for at least the past year has started this way. Which is why everyone is complaining about it.
@MPH- Iâm surprised to hear of the rider in Collinsâ contract that gave him ownership of any characters he createdâŚhe was not a very big name when he first took over the strip, so how could he get that much clout? But even if so, that really only covers villains he created, and Dickâs son Joe. There are more than enough Gould characters to fill the strip, so it doesnât explain why heâd introduce a new character mid-story (and then not have her do anything).
No, I still believe the problem with this strip is just plain slipshod writing and art.
Let me guess⌠the symphony conductor is actually in the witness protection program and thereâs a demented woodwind player named Oh Bo whoâs plotting against himâŚ
Matt, Thanks for mentioning the Collins ownership of characters he created. Although my understanding is that they are âavailableâ for use at a reasonable âfeeâ.
But in any event only three of the nine names fall into that category, Dickâs son Joe Tracy but who has been effectively âtrumpedâ by use of a âlook-alikeâ called âCool Dudeâ.
And had they been âneededâ I imagine the same simple technique using different names could have been utilized for Adonis and Lee Ebony. And Iâm sure Dicky will confirm that he decided (as Iâm sure he has already mentioned) that heâs keen to break up the concept of the âMajor Crime Squadâ (foolisly, may I opine) and developing Tracy as a sort of âlone wolfâ detective, with SWAT teams following every time as Iâve observed elsewhere.
Remember Norman March and Dan Dunn? He was never sued for drawing a near exact replica of Dick Tracy, Take a look at the 2 presentations on Wikipedia
The point Iâm making is that these are already âdevelopedâ characters with known and âwell likedâ personalities and available No need to mold new ones, and look at the poor job heâs done with Teevo, after two years the poor man doesnât even have a âfirstâ name yet! What could it be, âFidoâ like in Maggie and Jiggs (?)
It would be unproductive to saddle the strip with another inept variant of Teevo.
Well Iâm still confused as to why TMS would let Collins retain ownership of a character integral to the strip (Tracyâs son Joe), but anythingâs possible. If that is the case, I think again that what is really needed here is a reboot of the whole strip. Have Tracy starting out again, pursuing Tess, joining the force, adopting Junior, and remeeting all the famous long-gone faces from his Rogueâs Gallery, under the hand of some new and TALENTED creators. I mean, why not? What is there to lose? This strip is coasting along on its legend, and slowly dying as a result.
Tracy wear a regular tie to the concert? Iâm sure thatâs how theyâll let him go.
My understanding is that Rick Fletcher was very conscious of those things, and in particular fashionable female attire. He subscribed to special publications for this purpose !
So they play so fast and loose with contracts that they inadvertently give away rights to characters, or even to the entire franchise, yet they simultaneously tie Locherâs hands with regards to violence and other âstandards and practicesâ type things. Great.
R_Noonan63: Concerts such as this havenât been black-tie for many years. Are you kidding? If theaters today demanded black-tie attire, they would be sued for discrimination. Our PC, casual society wouldnât stand for it. That being said, I still try to dress up for an occasion such as a concert because it makes ME feel better about it.
Vista Bill Raley and Comet⢠over 15 years ago
Weâre really moving along now. I can see that this latest tale wonât be like the last one. Fast paced, action packed, and filled with suspense!
margueritem over 15 years ago
VistaBill, I canât handle any more suspence and fast paced actionâŚ.
Vista Bill Raley and Comet⢠over 15 years ago
Margueritem said, âVistaBill, I canât handle any more suspence and fast paced actionâŚ.â
I know what you mean, Margueritem. Iâm tired and tense already!
Llewellenbruce over 15 years ago
Tracy could fall asleep.
margueritem over 15 years ago
Llewellenbruce, we all could fall asleepâŚ
ridenslide65 over 15 years ago
Would somebody, anybody, please find this story???
Vista Bill Raley and Comet⢠over 15 years ago
ridenslide65 said, âWould somebody, anybody, please find this story???â
Patience, ridenslide65! All in good time.
watcha over 15 years ago
And here we go again - is the next catch phrase going to be â âJUST FIND HIMâ
âJUST FIND HIMâ âJUST FIND HIMâ âJUST FIND HIMâ âJUST FIND HIMâ âJUST FIND HIMâ
mjmsprt40 over 15 years ago
âLegend of Billâ moves faster than this, and itâs only updated once a week. No pig on wheels to save us this time.
Elexia over 15 years ago
I think Great Expectations moves at light speed compared to this.
By the time we tidy up the christmas decorations and fully recover from New Years, Dick Tracy and Tess might actually arrive to see the symphony⌠I stress âmightâ there.
geoffreyricho Premium Member over 15 years ago
Beethoven or whoever he is had white eyebrows matching his hair yesterday. Today theyâre black.
Ray_C over 15 years ago
Somehow, telling a police officer, âI donât want excuses, JUST FIND HIM!â seems counterproductive.
Donaldo Premium Member over 15 years ago
easy on the close-ups, Brorman
andy.vaughn over 15 years ago
This is just so much drek! To believe that quote, âThe first procedural detectiveâ should be brought down to this level of mediocrity is beyond comprehension.
You could just skip to the next storyline, and chances are, itâs going to start in the same exact manner!
I just hope that, unless TMS finds somebody competent to do this strip after DL retires, they retire it alsoâŚor go into Gould reruns.
China60 over 15 years ago
It appears that our pitiful cartoonist has finally realized that he canât draw full figures and has given up trying. With any luck heâll realize the same thing about his faces.
sydney over 15 years ago
âWhy do you feel so threatened by my presence here? I promised to leave when it seemed certain the strip was headed for the graveâ
Now woe be me to take a statement as definite as that out of context. I donât think I have !
That was Jeff Kersten posting on Dec.21, 2008. And if thereâs one thing I believe I can count on, is to take him at his word. His last two post (that I could locate) were on 6-24-09 (less than 2 weeks away from the Circus tale). In the first he asked ââŚRiddle me this, how can one criticize if one doesnât have all the facts?â
The final post was just a mocking? (knowing smile?) ⌠*;)*
Can I assume that he already had âall the factsâ and âcognizantâ of what was just up ahead, poised to âpop outâ in theDick Tracy (Circus) world?
Would it be too big a leap (or be unfair?) to connect his earlier statment to the FACT that he no longer posts on this board?
Can we dare to think the worst ?
Sometimes words come back to bite us !
fishbulb over 15 years ago
Many folks, heck, myself included, would rather see classic Tracy/Gould reprints than this mess. But that may not be possible for 2 reasons.
The strip size. Mr. Gould had a lot more room at his disposal than todayâs artists. It might not be feasible to reprint his panels in todayâs micro mini comics pages. Especially his gorgeous Sunday strips. Which were shrunk from 16 to 12 panels while he was still doing the strip. What newspaper would be willing to give Tracy that much room?
If Matthew is to be believed, the constraints placed on the writers would make reprinting his work impossible. No way could death traps, shoot outs, torture, and the grisly end of the villains be depicted under TMS standards.
I am afraid we are stuck with what we got.
FLIGHT SUIT over 15 years ago
This time around, Tracy wonât be able to pull âthe popcorn trick!â
LudwigVonDrake over 15 years ago
What could possibly go wrong at a symphony concert? The same thing that could possibly go wrong at the circus: a poorly written story.
JPBecker over 15 years ago
fishbulb, No we could demand a new artist & writer. Who says they wouldnât reprint the originals? After all they are doing it with âBloom Countyâ & a few other strips.
jumbobrain over 15 years ago
@fishbulb: I think reprinting Gould strips in newspapers would be impractical for the reasons you cite: they ran MUCH bigger (the Sunday strip used to be a full page) and the violence often caused papers to complain even back then. Also, Gouldâs politics would not fly today (one early story had Tracy go back to beat up the villain in his cell AFTER heâd been arrested, just to make sure he got the point). However, reprinting them online would be a whole different matter, and I would like to see it.
I have heard the rumors about how Locher is being straitjacketed by editorial dictates. There may be truth to that, but TMS runs numerous other features, like Gasoline Alley, that do not suffer from the basic problems of slipshod writing and art that plague this strip. Even if there are constraints, itâs no excuse for a four-month story that has everyone standing around talking in the same spot the entire time, or any of the many, many logic and continuity errors here.
mumbles over 15 years ago
I hope Longhair has a good phone plan, this P/C has now lasted a week. Ka-Ching, Ka-Ching
jpozenel over 15 years ago
Well, at least thereâs no clowns in this one (so far).
ridenslide65 over 15 years ago
OK VistaBill, Iâll have some patience. But I think it will be a lot more than âin good timeâ. The way Locher writes, we wonât know what the heck is going on untl Valentineâs day.
Rich
Vista Bill Raley and Comet⢠over 15 years ago
ridenslide65 said, âOK VistaBill, Iâll have some patience. But I think it will be a lot more than âin good timeâ. The way Locher writes, we wonât know what the heck is going on untl Valentineâs day.â
That soon?
g6793 over 15 years ago
What could go wrong? TessâŚyou have to ask??!
CougarAllen over 15 years ago
Does it count as an adventure if all you do is stand around for hours, Dick?
Iâm afraid weâve probably seen the last of the Pig On Wheels, but perhaps a new protagonist will appear.
-Cougar :{)
G.V.007 over 15 years ago
Dick relax get real the two words donât mix.
coratelli over 15 years ago
Tess is full of botox in the 2nd panel.
jumbobrain over 15 years ago
@Joe- in and of itself the phone conversation is not a bad device to start a storyâŚbut in this strip, itâs the ONLY device. Every adventure for at least the past year has started this way. Which is why everyone is complaining about it.
@MPH- Iâm surprised to hear of the rider in Collinsâ contract that gave him ownership of any characters he createdâŚhe was not a very big name when he first took over the strip, so how could he get that much clout? But even if so, that really only covers villains he created, and Dickâs son Joe. There are more than enough Gould characters to fill the strip, so it doesnât explain why heâd introduce a new character mid-story (and then not have her do anything). No, I still believe the problem with this strip is just plain slipshod writing and art.
steveyorkdesigns over 15 years ago
Let me guess⌠the symphony conductor is actually in the witness protection program and thereâs a demented woodwind player named Oh Bo whoâs plotting against himâŚ
sydney over 15 years ago
Matt, Thanks for mentioning the Collins ownership of characters he created. Although my understanding is that they are âavailableâ for use at a reasonable âfeeâ.
But in any event only three of the nine names fall into that category, Dickâs son Joe Tracy but who has been effectively âtrumpedâ by use of a âlook-alikeâ called âCool Dudeâ.
And had they been âneededâ I imagine the same simple technique using different names could have been utilized for Adonis and Lee Ebony. And Iâm sure Dicky will confirm that he decided (as Iâm sure he has already mentioned) that heâs keen to break up the concept of the âMajor Crime Squadâ (foolisly, may I opine) and developing Tracy as a sort of âlone wolfâ detective, with SWAT teams following every time as Iâve observed elsewhere.
Remember Norman March and Dan Dunn? He was never sued for drawing a near exact replica of Dick Tracy, Take a look at the 2 presentations on Wikipedia
The point Iâm making is that these are already âdevelopedâ characters with known and âwell likedâ personalities and available No need to mold new ones, and look at the poor job heâs done with Teevo, after two years the poor man doesnât even have a âfirstâ name yet! What could it be, âFidoâ like in Maggie and Jiggs (?)
It would be unproductive to saddle the strip with another inept variant of Teevo.
But thanks for mentioning the situation.
jumbobrain over 15 years ago
Well Iâm still confused as to why TMS would let Collins retain ownership of a character integral to the strip (Tracyâs son Joe), but anythingâs possible. If that is the case, I think again that what is really needed here is a reboot of the whole strip. Have Tracy starting out again, pursuing Tess, joining the force, adopting Junior, and remeeting all the famous long-gone faces from his Rogueâs Gallery, under the hand of some new and TALENTED creators. I mean, why not? What is there to lose? This strip is coasting along on its legend, and slowly dying as a result.
sydney over 15 years ago
âPoor at writing at TMSâ ?
Hmm! If it wasnât for Jay Maeder Iâd suspect it was âcontagiousâ !
sydney over 15 years ago
Tracy wear a regular tie to the concert? Iâm sure thatâs how theyâll let him go.
My understanding is that Rick Fletcher was very conscious of those things, and in particular fashionable female attire. He subscribed to special publications for this purpose !
ridenslide65 over 15 years ago
Glad we have Mattie on board as our resident expert on Dick Tracy Laws and copyrights.
YawnâŚâŚâŚâŚ..
FLIGHT SUIT over 15 years ago
So they play so fast and loose with contracts that they inadvertently give away rights to characters, or even to the entire franchise, yet they simultaneously tie Locherâs hands with regards to violence and other âstandards and practicesâ type things. Great.
JanLC over 15 years ago
R_Noonan63: Concerts such as this havenât been black-tie for many years. Are you kidding? If theaters today demanded black-tie attire, they would be sued for discrimination. Our PC, casual society wouldnât stand for it. That being said, I still try to dress up for an occasion such as a concert because it makes ME feel better about it.