Luann by Greg Evans and Karen Evans for December 17, 2014

Just think… last year, at this time, she was mulling over college brochures. This year, it’s courses… – So she would seem to be more “left brain” oriented… some would believe it was borne out in her dealings with everyone… – This was that thing I was answering someone’s question with, the other day. Do you follow what you’d love to do, and what you’re best at, or do you simply choose the courses that would seem to pay the bills, but would lead to a job that you don’t love ?…. – Aw, Frank, “buck up”! At least when your favorite mug gets broken, Lu can “hook you up” with another one….

Well, at lest Luann is aware of the glitches in her choosing of courses to take! ;)

Somehow you’re not going to “go anywhere” in the classes you chose for the Spring semester, Luann! I am intrigued that you seem to have a penchant for the arts… ;)

Argy: Left ya a response! (8^))

“To The Beat Of Your Own Conundrum”“Leave It To Eager Beaver”“Choice Words”“Course Correction”“The Further Adventures Of The Impossible Dream” (♫) “Hemispheres” (♫)“Between A ‘Rock Science’ Class And A Hard Headed Place”or“The Irrestistible Course Meets The Immovable Subject”

Here’s ORM’s Pick-of-the-Day: “‘The Irresistible Course Meets The Immovable Subject.’”

Certain majors seem more targeted to a specific job. However if too many students do the same thing – there is the risk of oversupply in the job market. A college degree seems to help overall – then you try to see where you might be useful.

Well for now anyway… but IF and when I move, my stuff will reside here forever; taking up space and getting dusty and being in the way. And every once in a while I’ll come back home and look through it and grill you why YOU lost my most precious …whatever. When I move across the country I’ll promise to come and get my stuff; and never do it.

“Luann!”….“Brought to you” by…. – The Pragmatic Adjustable Bed… “If you can’t make up your mind, at least you can make up your bed!”

Ha ha ha!!!! – “…And closer towards it, with each day…” (LOL!)

I still don’t understand why she doesn’t take any theater classes. Plot device, maybe?

LOL!!!

If she is doing take two and transfer, she still has to take all the required courses. Why is she taking algebra again? Wher is her world language?

A BS in chemistry won’t get you a job it’s a chemist. You need at least a masters for that. A college degree is to teach you how to think, not job training. If you want job training go to a votec school. Auto mechanics, plumbers, vet techs, etc make good money. But there is still no guarantee of a job upon graduation.

LOL!!!! – It’s getting so that you can’t even download an app without 2 pages of that!!!!

Short answer, Frank: “yes”.

True!!! – Nor the… “Privacy” Policy…

Well, I really like having a MW down here! No more cold “hot” tea! Went into town today (takes more than an hour)… We have a large pen in the back of our SUV so IS Katie can travel with us (we don’t like to leave her home along for more than an hour, especially if we’re going far away). She is really a good girl…as long as she gets her Milkbone treat, haha! All we have to do is ask her if she wants to “go for a bye,” and she is all ready to go! Anyhow, both of us are falling asleep, so it is "Nite all until tomorrow! And Happy Chanukah! (I think I got it right this time!).-————————————————————-“We think so because other people all think so, Or because…or because…after all we do think so, Or because we were told so, and think we must think so, Or because we once thought so, and think we still think so, Or because having thought so, we think we will think so.”(Henry Sidgwick, 1838-1900)

Well, now, let’s review. In today’s strip Luann mentions English, Art History, Geometry and Ceramics. Last week, we saw a textbook for Political Science, one for Art History (check), and something ending in “-ometry” which is probably related to the algebra class: either Geometry or Trigonometry. Then there was something “…War”, which might well be for the Poli Sci class.

Not an outrageous load for a freshman, but well above what we’ve been given to understand is Luann’s customary scholastic level. It’s possible she’ll discover new levels of self-discipline, it’s also possible she may be heading for a serious dose of reality.

Ms. DeGroot, this is your wake-up call! We’ll see.

It just occurred to me that the Core courses at Pitt Community College could be free, so Frank would like that. The Core courses at Vancouver Community College were free, until the Provincial Government put an end to that this month, including ESL. My girlfriend was an ESL teacher, until she retired/laid off.

Hell dull or not, a degree in any engineering field would be good.

“What color are bitcoins?” ^ I know for sure these days that it’s not green ($) or silver (¢) …

How many priest does it take to change a light bulb?-Answer tomorrow.

Look, just tell her to drop out of school and get a full time job so she can move out of your house as soon as possible. :P Frank just seems to be a bitter old man now. What a…uh….humorous comic strip….?

I don’t understand what Evans thinks kids should be doing once they graduate high school. Go to Howard—that’s great, bye! Go to Peru instead of Harvard? That’s great! Go to Peru because….a girl you like is going? That’s great! (And does SO make sense so there n’yah)-Go to the university? Hang out at the dorm and don’t get to know new people.Go to community college because it’s cheaper, you can live at home, and you have not decided on a career path? Your dad gets to make snide remarks right in your face!-When does the fun part happen??

Nowdays you find something you can tolerate, that will also pay the bills, FIRST…be it college, a trade, or whatever. Then while you work, take college for something you really love. Unless you are fortunate enough to have money for your dream courses, and an inheritance that can support you if you can’t find work in your dream profession. Whatever you do..have more than one way to earn and income. The job market is very fickle, and even professions formerly thought fail-safe..may not pan out in the future.

You should never stop learning..if you stop, you stagnat..if you stagnate, you’re s**t up the creek.

And force yourself to save, even if it’s terribly hard. Not having the sense to put something aside for an emergency is just plain foolish.

she might have to choose working in a museum, and give tours to kids when they visit………….. find it surprising that she does not like English, as she loves reading and would think she might like writing, math she can go by with basics in elementary school, but English is important for it

She could always run for the U.S, Congress, Lord knows we’ve had plenty of ignorant people there in the past number of years.

You must be older than I am (and I’m 65). I haven’t heard anyone use that old chestnut in decades…

Yep, English and Algebra are “Dull” and Really, HARD, Now that Gunther Isn’t Around Anymore to Pull Your “Chestnuts” Out of Fire, Right Lu?

And Speaking of the G-Man, I WONDER If He’s Escaped from the Misguided Utopian Schemes of the Lovely but Manipulative Rosa and Is Winging His Way BACK to the Good Old US to Enact a Righteous Revenge???

Sounds like you’ve been there and done that…

You’re a bright bulb.

Nope, I’m speaking from experience… I have three kids-worth of stuff using up space in my house. They’ve all moved out and left us to store it for them. they keep saying they’ll come get their stuff but it’s still here…

Nobody throws on the wheel without getting clay all over them.

In fairness, she might manage to make some change making ukuleles if she turned out to be good at it. It might also provide a bit of spice for the resume.

As for modern dance, though, I got nothing.

There’s no money in the arts. Starving artists are real.-True. BUT, one must follow ones PASSION to be happy. Artists marry people who can help support them in the lean times. They are lovable, passionate, offbeat people who brighten things up after a wicked hard day at the office engineering things and convicting people and such. GO Luann, throw those pots!

Seriously, just why is Luann attending Pitt CC? It seems just to be filling her time while she decides on a career. Why not decide on a career, and then attend Pitt CC? While she’s deciding, she can work at Weenie World, which is where she would wind up working anyway, after she spends Frank’s money to take these “personal enrichment” courses that she finds interesting.

Lu, I thought you went to Pitt CC because it had a good basic theater / drama department. Are you so easily distracted?

Unfortunately Frank is correct, if a career is not science based in this modern age it pretty much pays poverty level wages.

Our daughter headed down the Creative Crazy path… boy were we surprised when she got a great Graphic Designer job, very lucrative… :)

Of course she’s going to be living with you forever, and don’t pretend you haven’t known it all along. It’s a mystery how Luann, a perennial C-minus student in high school, ever got into this junior college in the first place; we all know she’ll never even get her Associate degree. Even if she did, all that worthless piece of paper is is a deed to space on one’s parents’ couch. Ukulele Making is the kind of course this kind of imitation college offers, and even that would be too much for Miss Dimbulb.

I was kind of under the impression that the story thread was leaning toward her becoming a producer in theater and film. Good money in that field.

Brian Smith, a portrait photographer with a studio in Miami Beach, makes a decent living shooting portraits of celebrities. So I guess some artists can avoid starving by sucking up to the 1%…

…actually, the ukele making may lead to something -she may discover she has a talent for it, and she may end up as a luthier – the best ones are very sought after…

The point I was trying to make to the Seismic Cowboy… starting out with a decision on your future, before ever knowing all the choices available (and before knowing if your choice even leads anywhere) makes no sense.

So far the only areas that Luann has shown any promise in are stage set design and working with kids; maybe she should aim for being a set designer on Sesame Street ?

What to expect from someone who is STILL living at home and going to a 2-year college????!!!!!!!

Luann is good with children, obviously she should consider being an elementary school teacher. She can use her gifts of singing and visual arts in the class. Although TJ is probably going to buy the theater so she can star in some of the shows there.

No money in the arts? You haven’t met my former art appreciation teacher, who makes a very decent living painting and teaching others to appreciate the beauty of art. In fact, as I understand it, he’s now an associate professor, not to mention a 2013 visiting scholar at a university in Canada. With a more-than-decent salary, he is no starving artist.

Luann seems to be the artistic type; she just needs to focus a bit more tightly. Maybe, Frank, she will be good enough at whatever art she practices to earn a[n independent] living!

Employment goes in cycles. Lots of people go into a field because there are jobs, then when they graduate they take those jobs, and suddenly new people aren’t needed so much in that field. People go into aeronautical engineering because “the skies the limit” on aviation’s future, then the price of jet fuel goes through the roof, and orders for new planes go way down, so the aeronautical engineers wish they had been chemical engineers instead, because those guys are making money hand over fist due to the elevated price of petroleum. Then that market gets glutted when oil prices eventually collapse, and the chemical engineers wish they had studied civil engineering, etc. The important thing is to spend your first 2 years (which at community college is your whole time there) getting a solid foundation in the disciplines that will be needed for any further study in any field, such as 1 or 2 years of math, physics, computer science, English, other languages, etc. I don’t think the courses Luann is considering would be of value in any further college training or to an employer.

Regarding my comment, yesterday, on Tiffany being a girl who “just can’t say no”………of course, I was just kidding, but it was good to see her loyal fans come quickly to defend her honor. I, also, enjoy the character and it was actually her who caught my attention to the strip a few years ago. Cheers.

Gunther becomes economically successful as “dressmaker to the stars”?

Too many students graduate high school without any clear ideas of what their interests and abilities are. Then they enter college and remain clueless, drifting around and hoping for inspiration to strike.

Maybe we should consider re-tooling our high school model to better prepare people to make these important decisions in their lives. If a person has a passion (many don’t), help them figure out a way to make it part of their life. At the same time, students also need to consider how to utilize their abilities (which may or may not coincide with what they love) to pay the bills.

Overall, I’m with you and seismic-2 on this one. It’s fine to go ahead and take core courses in college right up front, but you need to actively take a hand in figuring out what you want in life, and then pursue it. Be open to change or to pursuing multiple directions, but don’t just drift in the wind. If you find you are doing that, stop and get a job in the meantime. The best students I knew in college were non-traditional students. They had been in the workforce for a number of years and had a clear idea of what they wanted and how to pursue it.

This gave me such a belly laugh!

You’re right and so’s her brain.

Maybe the most successful person in the class will be Leslie Knox, the ruthless businessman who doesn’t care what anyone thinks of him..

@ReallyBad2I guess it depends on the school system. The system I work for has stripped most electives from the curriculum. No money for much other than art, music and PE. World language is taught on line.

That’s one of the great things about community colleges—you don’t have to decide on a major or even a particular course right away. It’s inexpensive, and students can try out lots of things before they plunk down money on a four-year institution or a career college.

Yes, don’t take boring, useful classes. Let Tiffany.

Answer to yesterday’s question: How n=many priests does take to change a light bulb?"-Two. While one priest installs the new bulb, the other priest is administering last rites to the old bulb.

look at the way this segment is going. First Luann is made to appear: (1) liking to be with children, (2) their liking her and (3) wondering what she wants to major in and/or do with her life. It would seem that this story-line is going to wind up with her choosing a major (like some aspect education..early childhood) that leads to work with children.

First, Luann was going to Pitt CC because they offer a good (and inexpensive) drama program, which was her intended career path:--then she was going there to satisfy the core requirements for a college degree, since she doesn’t have any career in mind:--now she wants to study these “fun” courses for recreational activities, because she has nothing in mind at all to do otherwise. Has she lost her way during these last 2.5 years, or has the strip?

But it indicates that she wanted to study drama. (At Juilliard!!!) Since she is at Pitt CC, and her Dad and Bernice both say they have a good drama department, then why isn’t she taking advantage of it? Is their Woodworking department actually much better than that drama department, and that’s why she thinks she should enroll in the ukulele-building course instead?

but there is that line “…until I figure out what I wanna to do…”. so that suggests drama is not necessarily the chosen field.

I’m not happy with our system the way it is now, but I sure wouldn’t want my nieces and nephews to be educated in Europe,and have to give up on whatever they wanted to do because some statistical expert decided there were already enough of whatever they wanted to do.-Ok, I’m old, but I still remember that part of my high school education included classes where we had to read information, and report on what we thought we should do to solve the problems identified, instead of just memorizing dates of battles in a war or how many miles someone marched.-Learning how to solve problems still has to be one of the most important skills a kid can acquire, no matter what field they end up in…

A significant number of engineers working at NASA were outside contractors, independents who were hired on for their particular expertise. When the shuttle program ended, those contractors were terminated, too. -If you question the value of the space program for earth science overall, there are still webpages that explain how many things that were originally created for use in space flight are now benefiting earthbound medicine and other fields.

WOW! Luann would never have done ceramics while she was in Hi School. Our girl is growing up!

@Night-Gaunt49In response to your reply yesterday:

And your point is? No other ancient culture outlawed slavery either. Slavery has always been a part of human culture, even before the Bible was written down. What people like you don’t consider is how did the other cultures of the day perceive slavery. If you look at the slavery of ancient Egypt, it could be quite harsh and cruel. ALL ancient cultures looked upon slaves as “property,” not just the Israelites. The important thing to take away from the Bible is the development of moral conscience away from the cruelty of other cultures that surrounded the Israelites.

“If a fellow Hebrew, a man or a woman, sells himself to you and serves you six years, in the seventh year you must let him go free. And when you release him, do not send him away empty-handed. Supply him liberally from your flock, your threshing floor and your winepress. Give to him as the Lord your God has blessed you. Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and the Lord your God redeemed you. That is why I give you this command today… Do not consider it a hardship to set your servant free, because his service to you these six years has been worht twice as much as that of a hired hand. And the Lord your God will bless you in everything you do.” - Deuteronomy 15:12-18

“If a slave has taken refuge with you, do not hand him over to his master. Let him live among you wherever he chooses. Do not oppress him.” - Deuteronomy 23:15-16

“When you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord, and because of those detestable practices the Lord your God will drive out those nations before you.” - Deuteronomy 18:9-12

“[Jesus] went up to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read. The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor.He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisonersand recovery of sight for the blind,to release the oppressed,to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him, and he began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” - Luke 4:14-21

As American Founder Richard Henry Lee stated, “Christianity, by introducing into Europe the truest principles of humanity, universal benevolence, and brotherly love, had happily abolished civil slavery. Let us who profess the same religion practice its precepts… by agreeing to this duty.” It was “enlightened” Europe that reintroduced slavery but, this time, slavery was based on the view of lower intelligence of the darker skinned peoples of Africa. The European powers propagated the culture of slavery to their colonies in the New World and elsewhere. Many Africans themselves participated in the slave trade through the conquest or kidnapping of their African brothers and sisters. NOwhere in the Bible does God approve of this type of slavery:“He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death.” - Exodus 21:16

The institution of slavery and the slave trade in Europe and America was fundamentally different from the slavery mentioned (mentioning/regulating does not equate to approval) in the Bible.

If Luann truly doesn’t know what she wants to do, it’s a good thing she didn’t go to Juilliard (overlooking the obstacle of there being only a 0.01% chance that she would have been accepted). Imagine if in her junior year, she decided “You know, acting doesn’t really interest me so much as I though it would I don’t want to do this for a living. I want to study nursing!” She would pretty much have to start all over, at a different college. This is why choosing a career path and then a college makes more sense.

been out of touch with the comic for a while due to deaths in the family. My grandma and I used to talk about Luann every day. She’s good with the kids, and loves art. I think she should become an art teacher.